Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion)

I was never "OMG CULLEN!".

Same here.
I like Cullen, but not to the point "want to kiss/hug/table him ASAP".

In DA2 I thought he was an ass. I sort of understood why he was an ass, but still thought him an ass.

And again the same.
Have mentioned abount "punch", though understand why he is what he is.
And tbh, even in DAI, with that hell he's been through, in some cutscenes and dialogues I still want to punch him and think he is an asshole.
It does not mean I do not understand why he says and does this or that and I have patience, but it does not mean I still can't be angry about something.
No person is perfect.

But with these words

I think how we see him in Inquisition is the closest to his true self that we've seen, and he's trying so hard to get back to the man he was before Kinloch fell. He's obviously still a work-in-progress, but he's trying at least. It's probably the first time in almost a decade that he finally has the chance to truly start to heal.

agree 100 %. Perfectly said.

May 6, 2020 9:18:01 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

I think a lot of people like to forget his past when "hating" Cullen, and I feel that diminishes his character growth as a whole

Unfortunately it happens very often and not only with Cullen.
Zevran, Fenris, Sera e.g. - people have no patience, no desire to talk to them, to know better about their past, childhood, to listen (!) what they say and went through, and in the end simply just think. It is a very simple thing to do.
So sad.

LadyofNemesis, Sonya - I think you might like this link: Cullen: A Fan Girl's Cautious Defence

Thank you.
Good composition for people who actually would like to know Cullen's storylife, some facts about his background, further events and dialogues from DAO and DA2. Maybe that composition at least made others think things through and make some other conclusions.
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Would like to add one thing.
Maybe others did the same but I made two test PTs to check last DLC slides with Cullen.
And want to say before explanations: in DAI devs favor Cullen in all aspects of his life.

1) Ignored Cullen through the whole game: no talks at all, no questions, did not do his personal quest, ignored him in the last DLC.
The result: slides showed me that Cullen was just fine, as if I helped him, talked to him. He refused from lyrium, opened hospital for templars, had a dog ect.
2) Kissed Cullen once and ignored the rest of the games: no talks, no sex, no personal quest, ignored him in DLC.
The result: my PC married Cullen, refused from lyrium, opened hospital, went to his family, had a dog etc.

Actually the only difference - I did not get exp and no dialogues with him (and no "table - sentence" from Sera's notes in DLC).

Considering Cullen''s fate in DAO and DA2, no surprise for me that in DAI even if you ignore him, he lives just fine.
Nice move on behalf of devs.

Last Edit: May 6, 2020 11:20:45 GMT by Sonya

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 11:57:50 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 11:57:50 GMT

May 6, 2020 10:57:30 GMT Sonya said:

May 6, 2020 9:18:01 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

I think a lot of people like to forget his past when "hating" Cullen, and I feel that diminishes his character growth as a whole

Unfortunately it happens very often and not only with Cullen.
Zevran, Fenris, Sera e.g. - people have no patience, no desire to talk to them, to know better about their past, childhood, to listen (!) what they say and went through, and in the end simply just think. It is a very simple thing to do.
So sad.

Sad to say it's not just the Dragon Age franchise -_-

Kaidan for example is also ignored a lot by the fan base on account of him being "boring"

while if you take the chance to talk to him, and understand how he became the way he is...he's actually a very interesting character with some subtle yet important character growth ^_^

I think that's why it's interesting why certain characters can grow on you if you just take the time to interact with them.

The developers made them this way for a reason, and it's up to us as the players to figure out everything that makes them tick

and I'm also sad to say I've often made certain assumptions of characters as well (Anders in DA2 and Liara to name a few), but I think that's part of human nature

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 12:41:13 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 12:41:13 GMT

May 6, 2020 11:57:50 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

if you just take the time to interact with them.

The very main point. True and true.

May 6, 2020 11:57:50 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

Sad to say it's not just the Dragon Age franchise -_-

Kaidan for example is also ignored a lot by the fan base on account of him being "boring"

while if you take the chance to talk to him, and understand how he became the way he is...he's actually a very interesting character with some subtle yet important character growth

Yes. I agree. And not only about Kaiden, also about Ash.
I like them both, do not think Kaiden is boring, Ash is not a racist as many people think (I understood it only after several PTs actually, after several conversations with her; understood what she meant by those words).
Kaiden and Ash are the opposites imo. It is a very good thing and I like it as can figure it out by talking to them both - a "must be done" in such games as DAU/MAU/even NWN.

Only after such "talks" you can really decide: whether you like this character or not.
There are other characters in MEU e.g. which I really do not like, but made that conclusion only after "must be done" - things.

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 12:54:49 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 12:54:49 GMT

May 6, 2020 12:41:13 GMT Sonya said:

Yes. I agree. And not only about Kaiden, also about Ash.
I like them both, do not think Kaiden is boring, Ash is not a racist as many people think (I understood it only after several PTs actually, after several conversations with her; understood what she meant by those words).
Kaiden and Ash are the opposites imo. It is a very good thing and I like it as can figure it out by talking to them both - a "must be done" in such games as DAU/MAU/even NWN.

Only after such "talks" you can really decide: whether you like this character or not.
There are other characters in MEU e.g. which I really do not like, but made that conclusion only after "must be done" - things.

Same here, it's only after a few playthroughs that I actively started disliking Liara for example

first few times I liked her, then it turned into "meh"...which then turned into "stay outa my head! (ME1) Why're you here? (most of her scenes in ME3) " also have to confess I kept looking for renegade interrupts when interacting with her...sad to say there aren't any :rollseyes:

as for Ash, I've really started to like her in recent playthroughs...even get sad when I have to sacrifice her on Virmire because Kaidan is my otp.

...if there was a way to sacrifice Liara there I wouldn't hesitate to take it, but she's needed for plot reasons due to being the "resident Prothean expert" :why:

she gets benched a lot in ME3...only missions she's with my Shepard are the ones that require her

in NWN2 there's this character called Bishop who for me is a very good example of what you mentioned above

first few times I hated him (mostly because at the time I was being bullied at school and he reminded me of my bullies), but after getting to know his character I started to love him, and now he's one of my favorites in that game

have to say that most games don't actively make me hate or dislike a character, but Bioware is very good at evoking emotions concerning characters imo.

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 13:24:26 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 13:24:26 GMT

Same here, it's only after a few playthroughs that I actively started disliking Liara for example

first few times I liked her, then it turned into "meh"...which then turned into "stay outa my head! (ME1) Why're you here? (most of her scenes in ME3) " also have to confess I kept looking for renegade interrupts when interacting with her...sad to say there aren't any

Read my mind. Ony I would have written about her using more colorful words.
In short - I just really hate her and indeed would have left her with that bomb saving both: Ash and Kaiden.

have to say that most games don't actively make me hate or dislike a character, but Bioware is very good at evoking emotions concerning characters imo

Yep. And not only about characters, about mission and their outcomes as well (take ME1 Noveria e.g.).

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 13:28:10 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 13:28:10 GMT

May 6, 2020 13:24:26 GMT Sonya said:

Same here, it's only after a few playthroughs that I actively started disliking Liara for example

first few times I liked her, then it turned into "meh"...which then turned into "stay outa my head! (ME1) Why're you here? (most of her scenes in ME3) " also have to confess I kept looking for renegade interrupts when interacting with her...sad to say there aren't any

Read my mind. Ony I would have written about her using more colorful words.
In short - I just really hate her and indeed would have left her with that bomb saving both: Ash and Kaiden.

have to say that most games don't actively make me hate or dislike a character, but Bioware is very good at evoking emotions concerning characters imo

Yep. And not only about characters, about mission and their outcomes as well (take ME1 Noveria e.g.).

In Hushed Whispers makes me cry (especially the end, which is why I can't choose the templars...also Envy is creepy as hell), Alec Ryder's death also makes me cry

...also Liara's goodbye message to Alec (her telling him that the Andromeda Initiative might well be the last survivors of their civilization)

I know it's going to happen, but it still make me cry :lol:

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 14:00:55 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 14:00:55 GMT

May 6, 2020 13:28:10 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

In Hushed Whispers makes me cry (especially the end, which is why I can't choose the templars...also Envy is creepy as hell),

I have really many saves with mages and templars. Though think Templas are better to get - very simple reason: getting free attr points (both groups are needed only for the task, and do not feel sorry as they both are corrupted and stupid).
I still prefer "Hushed Whispers" as atmosphere there is rather creepy even w/o any demons. Another example of BW great work making the player feel uneasy.

May 6, 2020 13:28:10 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

Alec Ryder's death also makes me cry

I liked the cutscene before his death, what he did and said to his child. And reaction of PC.

May 6, 2020 13:28:10 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

..also Liara's goodbye message to Alec

Damn Liara is everywhere, even in another galaxy. Can't get rid of her at all.

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And yeah, after getting mages/templars Cullen's reaction is problematic. Always would like to say something to him...Only there is no option.
But after getting to SH finally can play chess with him watching he is finally having a rest.
Plus knowng him better btw, about his family which is very important for understanding any character.
Piece of a puzzle.

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 14:22:43 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 14:22:43 GMT

May 6, 2020 14:00:55 GMT Sonya said:

And yeah, after getting mages/templars Cullen's reaction is problematic. Always would like to say something to him...Only there is no option.
But after getting to SH finally can play chess with him watching he is finally having a rest.
Plus knowng him better btw, about his family which is very important for understanding any character.
Piece of a puzzle.

have to ask, why is Cullen's reaction problematic?

I'd rather call it understandable...if you understand what he's been through...sure his reaction is harsh (especially after recruiting the mages) but I can understand his reasons for saying it

just as in DA2 there are instances where pre-Broken Circle Cullen peeks through, there are instances in Inquisition where DA2 and post Broken Circle Cullen peek through

he's cautious for a reason, and you can't deny his reasoning either

(paraphrased) Cullen: there might be abominations hiding among them

sure we don't see any, but the threat is there...Vivienne (as much as I don't like her extreme views) also says this, and they are right

with the Breach open, mages are more at danger then ever, both to themselves and those around them

...I'm actually somewhat surprised we don't run into any abominations during Inquisition :why:

you'd think with the Breach open we'd run into several of them at least

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 15:22:40 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 15:22:40 GMT

May 6, 2020 14:53:43 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

have to ask, why is Cullen's reaction problematic?

I'd rather call it understandable...if you understand what he's been through...sure his reaction is harsh (especially after recruiting the mages) but I can understand his reasons for saying it

just as in DA2 there are instances where pre-Broken Circle Cullen peeks through, there are instances in Inquisition where DA2 and post Broken Circle Cullen peek through

he's cautious for a reason, and you can't deny his reasoning either

(paraphrased) Cullen: there might be abominations hiding among them

sure we don't see any, but the threat is there...Vivienne (as much as I don't like her extreme views) also says this, and they are right

with the Breach open, mages are more at danger then ever, both to themselves and those around them

...I'm actually somewhat surprised we don't run into any abominations during Inquisition :why:

you'd think with the Breach open we'd run into several of them at least

Ah, no. Should have clarified what I was talking about.

It is not about his reaction. I agree with him 100 %. Agree with Viv 100 % (but I like her even with her really problematic and blind views on some situations).

It was about his other words "It was not only for you to decide....should have consulted us" (sorry, do not remember word for word).
Yes, I would have consulted with you all, Cullen, only I was there, but you were not; king (queen) was waiting for my decision right there/templars were waiting for my decision right there.
Cullen, Cass (maybe)and Josie were far away. Cullen just does not understand it. He knows that something aweful and strange is going on in both groups. Anything can happen.
And yet he is still angry about me making fast decisions as I had no choice.

I have mentioned already that understand why he can say this or that but that reaction of his, when I just had no time, has nothing to do with exactly "not only your decision".

Hope explained right what I was talking about.

May 6, 2020 14:53:43 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

...I'm actually somewhat surprised we don't run into any abominations during Inquisition

Me too. "Abominations will be amongst mages". Well, ok. Where are they?
Would have been interesting to have some encounter when some abomination just pops up durung dinner.
Guess templars kept everything under control.

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 15:53:55 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 15:53:55 GMT

May 6, 2020 15:22:40 GMT Sonya said:

Ah, no. Should have clarified what I was talking about.

It is not about his reaction. I agree with him 100 %. Agree with Viv 100 % (but I like her even with her really problematic and blind views on some situations).

It was about his other words "It was not only for you to decide....should have consulted us" (sorry, do not remember word for word).
Yes, I would have consulted with you all, Cullen, only I was there, but you were not; king (queen) was waiting for my decision right there/templars were waiting for my decision right there.
Cullen, Cass (maybe)and Josie were far away. Cullen just does not understand it. He knows that something aweful and strange is going on in both groups. Anything can happen.
And yet he is still angry about me making fast decisions as I had no choice.

I have mentioned already that understand why he can say this or that but that reaction of his, when I just had no time, has nothing to do with exactly "not only your decision".

Hope explained right what I was talking about.

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Me too. "Abominations will be amongst mages". Well, ok. Where are they?
Would have been interesting to have some encounter when some abomination just pops up durung dinner.
Guess templars kept everything under control.

ah I see

then I understand what you meant ^_^

I think my more sarcastic Quizzy's would've reacted with "Sure Commander, next time I'll send a bird and ask for your advice while Ferelden's ruler is breathing down my neck" :why:

Cass talks him down if she wasn't in the party, and even if she was she's like "meh *shrug* the Herald's mission was accomplished"

but after reading the article that Sokemis linked, I think I can understand his outburst a bit.

the Inquisitor returns with a lot of unknown elements...mages who were under the mercy/protection of a Tevinter Magister (remember almost everyone in the south thinks all Magisters are evil maniacs who perform blood magic)

or templars who've been under the influence of a demon for several weeks at least.

It might've been some sort of trigger for his PTSD, hence his outburst toward the Herald/Inquisitor (and potentially Cassandra if she was in the party)...he calms down almost instantly after they make clear it was a "in the moment" decision

I just looked up Cullen's reaction if you recruit the mages

Cullen: it's not a matter for debate, there will be abominations among the mages, and we must be prepared

Josephine: if we rescind (take back) the offer of an alliance, it makes the Inquisition appear incompetent at best, tyrannical at worst

*Quizzy approaches*

Cullen: what were you thinking, turning mages loose with no oversight? The Veil is torn open!

^ his words are mostly about advising caution, as much for the normal people of the Inquisition and the mages that were just recruited.

His new job is to keep people safe regardless of who they might be...can't really do that if the Inquisitor is all;

Quizzy: *arrives with hundred of people who're mages and potential abominations* surprise, I brought friends! :hue:

Cullen: ...*internal screaming*

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and heh, that would've been funny

Quizzy: *being bored having dinner with some painted fop*

abomination: *barges into the room* BLAAARGH!!!

Quizzy: oooh...entertainment during dinner, yay!

*jumps up to fight said abomination*

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 16:29:24 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 16:29:24 GMT

I think my more sarcastic Quizzy's would've reacted with "Sure Commander, next time I'll send a bird and ask for your advice while Ferelden's ruler is breathing down my neck"

Yeah, I also like this phrase, only unlike DAO and DA2 it matters nothing (I mean "sarcastic/angry/diplomatic"). That thing frustrates me.

Cass talks him down if she wasn't in the party, and even if she was she's like "meh *shrug* the Herald's mission was accomplished"

One of the reasons I like Cass and think she is one of three squadmates with whom you can really become friends (I mean real friends, like Hawke and Varric).
Cass there is the voice of reason, or "the voice of pragmatism" @ Dorian.

after reading the article that Sokemis linked, I think I can understand his outburst a bit.

the Inquisitor returns with a lot of unknown elements...mages who were under the mercy/protection of a Tevinter Magister (remember almost everyone in the south thinks all Magisters are evil maniacs who perform blood magic)

or templars who've been under the influence of a demon for several weeks at least.

It might've been some sort of trigger for his PTSD, hence his outburst toward the Herald/Inquisitor (and potentially Cassandra if she was in the party)...he calms down almost instantly after they make clear it was a "in the moment" decision

Aye. It could be indeed. And I think it was.
Or it could be simple reaction of everyone in the beginning of the game when people are pissed off, in a hurry, such things. You know, like plologue (it is sarcasm, just in case).

his words are mostly about advising caution, as much for the normal people of the Inquisition and the mages that were just recruited.

Yep, I agree with him.
But I do not like when others yell at me or say what I should have done when they were far away and did not even see anything.
Maybe at that moment I was wrong giving mages freedom, but sorry, I have just returned from the future after fighting million of demons and mages, not to mention I thought I could never return. Only my squad knows about that, how aweful it was.
Too bad I was not given an opportunity to tell about it, maybe after Cullen could calm down a little as he himself knows what it means to be under such pressure.

and heh, that would've been funny

Quizzy: *being bored having dinner with some painted fop*

abomination: *barges into the room* BLAAARGH!!!

Quizzy: oooh...entertainment during dinner, yay!

*jumps up to fight said abomination*

Why not? And not only during dinner. Walk around the castle, admiring the view and in the middle of the coutyard an abomination appears. And the fight begins.
Can't get rest even in the Castle.

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May 6, 2020 16:29:24 GMT Sonya said:

his words are mostly about advising caution, as much for the normal people of the Inquisition and the mages that were just recruited.

Yep, I agree with him.
But I do not like when others yell at me or say what I should have done when they were far away and did not even see anything.
Maybe at that moment I was wrong giving mages freedom, but sorry, I have just returned from the future after fighting million of demons and mages, not to mention I thought I could never return. Only my squad knows about that, how aweful it was.
Too bad I was not given an opportunity to tell about it, maybe after Cullen could calm down a little as he himself knows what it means to be under such pressure.

and heh, that would've been funny

Quizzy: *being bored having dinner with some painted fop*

abomination: *barges into the room* BLAAARGH!!!

Quizzy: oooh...entertainment during dinner, yay!

*jumps up to fight said abomination*

Why not? And not only during dinner. Walk around the castle, admiring the view and in the middle of the coutyard an abomination appears. And the fight begins.
Can't get rest even in the Castle.

yeah...I don't like it when people yell at me either :rollseyes:

...my canon Quizzy has a case of survivor's guilt after In Hushed Whispers and keeps having nightmares about that alternate future for quite a while

I mean, the advisors read the reports about what happened, but only you and Dorian experience it (remember, the other squad members don't go into the future with you)

I head canon she and Cullen help each other through the nightmares

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kinda like the ambush at camp during Origins? I would've liked that...would've made the stakes a bit higher

never understood why Corypheus didn't attack Skyhold...I mean, what's the use of a (never completed) huge fortress if it's not besieged? :why:

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 18:34:25 GMT

yeah...I don't like it when people yell at me either :rollseyes:

...my canon Quizzy has a case of survivor's guilt after In Hushed Whispers and keeps having nightmares about that alternate future for quite a while

I mean, the advisors read the reports about what happened, but only you and Dorian experience it (remember, the other squad members don't go into the future with you)

I head canon she and Cullen help each other through the nightmares

Also a possibility.

And if advisors read the report, why does Cullen still yell at me?
So for me in this case, it comes down to his past and nightmares with wich later Inq will help him (LI or no).

kinda like the ambush at camp during Origins? I would've liked that...would've made the stakes a bit higher

never understood why Corypheus didn't attack Skyhold...I mean, what's the use of a (never completed) huge fortress if it's not besieged?

After reading this part remembered another game which I really like - "Stronghold" (RTS).
Brilliant idea not only grab other Strongholds, but experience yourself how it feels to be under siege not in some village, but behind magical (according to Morrigan) stones.

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"Of course!"

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 18:55:12 GMT

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Post by Buckeldemon on May 6, 2020 18:55:12 GMT

May 6, 2020 18:34:25 GMT Sonya said:

kinda like the ambush at camp during Origins? I would've liked that...would've made the stakes a bit higher

never understood why Corypheus didn't attack Skyhold...I mean, what's the use of a (never completed) huge fortress if it's not besieged?

After reading this part remembered another game which I really like - "Stronghold" (RTS).
Brilliant idea not only grab other Strongholds, but experience yourself how it feels to be under siege not in some village, but behind magical (according to Morrigan) stones.

Someone else playing it and then thinking of Stronghold. Can't believe it. :excited:

So for the siege we would get three archers, five spearmen and a single guy with pot of pitch/oil to defend ourselves against 200 enemies with catapults, trebuchets and tons of ladders. :whistle:

And in the end, Corypheus would just use "magic" by launching a bunch of diseased cows (one of my favourite features

) into the castle and we would die anyway. :lol:

Great, now I got ideas. I'm not sure though about which game to use. Skyhold's design is could be best mirrored in the original and 2, but Legends has all the odd magic goodies.

"Magic can't be made safe and it can't be destroyed. Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could." - Merrill

"Strength and steel are well and good, but magic is the true power in this world." - Wuunferth the Unliving

"Maschinen abgeschaltet,
Ventilatoren kaputt!
Alle ersticken und tot!"

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 19:00:11 GMT Sokemis likes this

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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 19:00:11 GMT

May 6, 2020 18:34:25 GMT Sonya said:

yeah...I don't like it when people yell at me either :rollseyes:

...my canon Quizzy has a case of survivor's guilt after In Hushed Whispers and keeps having nightmares about that alternate future for quite a while

I mean, the advisors read the reports about what happened, but only you and Dorian experience it (remember, the other squad members don't go into the future with you)

I head canon she and Cullen help each other through the nightmares

Also a possibility.

And if advisors read the report, why does Cullen still yell at me?
So for me in this case, it comes down to his past and nightmares with wich later Inq will help him (LI or no).

hm... I think it's because Cullen wants to protect people?

Maybe he's angry he wasn't there to help? (I've no idea :lol:

)

After all, he already has reservations about letting the Inquisitor going to Redcliffe alone, only relenting slightly when Leliana offers the alternate route and access to her agents for infiltration

but even then he says "we can still go after the templars if you'd rather not play bait" (yeah I know it's because of gameplay reasons in order to say "pick one path and the other closes" but still)

Always something to be killed, and I’m the one to do it – Hero of Ferelden
‘Hawke this, Hawke that,’ Why does everything fall to me? - Champion of Kirkwall
Our concern must be the order and safety of this world, not the next. - The Inquisitor

People are messy, but they're trying, and I'm going to make sure they get that chance - Commander Shepard

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 19:07:04 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 19:07:04 GMT

May 6, 2020 18:55:12 GMT Buckeldemon said:

Someone else playing it and then thinking of Stronghold. Can't believe it. :excited:

So for the siege we would get three archers, five spearmen and a single guy with pot of pitch/oil to defend ourselves against 200 enemies with catapults, trebuchets and tons of ladders. :whistle:

And in the end, Corypheus would just use "magic" by launching a bunch of diseased cows (one of my favourite features

) into the castle and we would die anyway

Great. The plan is ready.
Only the simple part remains - win.
And what are you talking about? With such plan we won't fail!!!

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Maker's Breath.... (Official Cullen Rutherford discussion) May 6, 2020 19:11:57 GMT

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Post by Sonya on May 6, 2020 19:11:57 GMT

May 6, 2020 19:01:50 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

Maybe he's angry he wasn't there to help?

I think that was the real reason.
Writing paper all the time and standing on one spot posing a teacher is very tiresome (Inq confirms in one of the dialogues).

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Post by Sokemis on May 7, 2020 2:18:44 GMT

Catching up on the thread, so don't mind the possibly long post...

And tbh, even in DAI, with that hell he's been through, in some cutscenes and dialogues I still want to punch him and think he is an asshole.
It does not mean I do not understand why he says and does this or that and I have patience, but it does not mean I still can't be angry about something.

Definitely. As much as I liked Inquisition Cullen, there were still times I wanted to smack him (felt that way with Fenris and even Zev a few times). I imagine at some point he more or less moves into the Inquisitor's room, but it's a good thing he still has his loft - even with my Inquisitor being as patient/understanding/loving as she is I have no doubt of the fact that there are still times he found himself sleeping on the proverbial couch.

Zevran, Fenris, Sera e.g. - people have no patience, no desire to talk to them, to know better about their past, childhood, to listen (!) what they say and went through, and in the end simply just think. It is a very simple thing to do.

*hugs my boys* I feel like a mamma bear sometimes defending them. There is so much more to them than some people seem to realize. And I love Sera - although she and Quizzy have agreed to disagree on some topics, mostly magic and the Dalish, Sera keeps her grounded.

Considering Cullen''s fate in DAO and DA2, no surprise for me that in DAI even if you ignore him, he lives just fine.
Nice move on behalf of devs.

I don't remember if I ever posted this here or not, but I made this image for Cullen. When I first came across this quote, it made me think of a romanced Cullen after the Inquisition is disbanded. He just looks so happy and carefree. (Spoiler tag because it posted bigger than I thought it would.)

SPOILER: Click to show

Also reminds me, I need to finish straightening up that particular Pinterest board....

Or it could be simple reaction of everyone in the beginning of the game when people are pissed off, in a hurry, such things.

Also taking into consideration that Cullen's withdrawal is probably at it's worst during Haven. Which means his PTSD is also extra bad, now that he doesn't have the lyrium to help mask the symptoms. And no doubt the two are making each other worse, considering that he was probably going through withdrawl while he was trapped in that magical care in the Circle. The withdrawl itself triggers the PTSD, and the PTSD (especially the lack of sleep from the nightmares) makes the withdrawl worse - that coupled with the migraines and stress of the situation, I'm not surprised he has the outbursts that he does. Not that my Quizzy (mage Lavellan) has to like it, it's not until Skyhold that they really start to talk and she's able to trust him enough to start a relationship.