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Post by luke on Apr 13, 2017 15:33:38 GMT
Never understood the dislike for Jacob, and I don't understand the dislike for Liam now. I actually really like Liam, he's characterised well. At worst, his characterisation is hamfisted at times, but not as bad as PeeBee's. Liam is a chill but passionate guy, and it's his passion that results in him making rash decisions or losing his temper. He isn't just a hothead, he just cares a lot. really? I got the impression that he is anything but chill. The character establishing moment for him was him emptying a clip into a dead Kett. that's a bad way of establishing someone's chillness I wouldn't say that is his character establishing moment myself. Again, I would say that incident is a manifestation of his passionate nature. He's frustrated because he cares about the initiative, and within a day of waking up it's going wrong in every way. He wants to meet new species and establish an alliance with them, and within hours of waking up, the first alien species the initiative meet slaughter his coworkers. I'd say his laidback side comes out when he interacts with Ryder and the rest of the Tempest crew. Some moments that come to mind are his suggestion of a movie night, playing volleyball on Eos, his first beer with Ryder, his development of a friendship with Jaal, and his "It'll be fine" Trojan horse plan. He makes casual jokes in conversation and lives on a used sofa in a messy room. I'd say he's one of the most laidback characters Mass Effect has ever had, even if his temper does get the better of him sometimes.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 13, 2017 15:50:54 GMT
I would say the dislike of these characters is more to do with the writing than them being black characters.
Vivienne I really liked but she's basically a far right conservative. She's also massively bitchy, opinionated and unreasonable she's like DA's version of Katie Hopkins.
Jacob was boring, seemed very stereotyped to me too, I don't hate the character but I also feel like he added very little to the game.
Liam is a mixed bag, I like him more than I dislike him but he can be very frustrating just like pretty much all of Kristjanson's characters.
Also Isabela is black (yeah I know she didn't really look very black) wasn't much hate for her, not much for Anderson either.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 13, 2017 16:28:01 GMT
I would say the dislike of these characters is more to do with the writing than them being black characters. Vivienne I really liked but she's basically a far right conservative. She's also massively bitchy, opinionated and unreasonable she's like DA's version of Katie Hopkins. Jacob was boring, seemed very stereotyped to me too, I don't hate the character but I also feel like he added very little to the game. Liam is a mixed bag, I like him more than I dislike him but he can be very frustrating just like pretty much all of Kristjanson's characters. Also Isabela is black (yeah I know she didn't really look very black) wasn't much hate for her, not much for Anderson either. This exactly. It's the writing and not so much the people on bsn or elsewhere not liking them. Blame bioware for writing them in such a bad way and not people here. They finally had the opportunity with Liam to turn it around and make an interesting character after all the heat there was with Jacob and Vivienne, Jacob mostly but they blew it and made a dummy standing in the corner saying nothing but "hello pathfinder" basically... I liked Liam to some degree but only mostly because there weren't really other choices to romance as humans, so I forced myself to like him and it's not because he was completely terrible but he could have been so much more, that's what's sad or perhaps not "sad" lol but a wasted opportunity.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2017 16:29:37 GMT
Anderson is a god to Mass Effect fans. Look at this picture. Witness just how fucking badass it is. Liam and Jacob are like the buzzing of flies to him. It helps that he's also the voice of Goliath from Gargoyles. What's not to love?
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2017 16:30:47 GMT
I read that a lot posts with members saying that, but what about irritating? He comes in there making smart comments to Tali and Thane. If my Shepard had the choice on the dialog wheel, Shep would have said get your ass in the armory and do your job, leave the recruiting to me. I actually loved that smartass comment he made to Tali. You could just see the shade pouring out of her helmet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 16:47:50 GMT
I noticed it too, it's fairly conspicuous. I just posted in it because I felt like it. I wasn't embarrassed like another thread recently. There was one thread that was really juvenile about the Asari the other day, and I was a little embarrassed that I posted in it before fully reading it, lol. I must have missed that one. This one is great fun though, keeping my fingers crossed it hits 10 pages. OP was brilliant. :amirite: Yes, simple yet effective trolling. Its brilliance lies in its own simplicity. Ha! I was wondering when one of these would show up, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 16:54:42 GMT
Anderson is a god to Mass Effect fans. Look at this picture. Witness just how fucking badass it is. *Snip Anderson pic* Liam and Jacob are like the buzzing of flies to him. It helps that he's also the voice of Goliath from Gargoyles. What's not to love? I liked Kieth David's VA throughout the trilogy. I wish we would have had more Michael Dorn in the series. He's got a good voice too.
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Post by Walter Black on Apr 13, 2017 17:14:06 GMT
I read that a lot posts with members saying that, but what about irritating? He comes in there making smart comments to Tali and Thane. If my Shepard had the choice on the dialog wheel, Shep would have said get your ass in the armory and do your job, leave the recruiting to me. I actually loved that smartass comment he made to Tali. You could just see the shade pouring out of her helmet. Funny, in all the times I played ME2, Jacob was initially friendly to Tali and only responded to her attitude.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2017 17:51:30 GMT
I actually loved that smartass comment he made to Tali. You could just see the shade pouring out of her helmet. Funny, in all the times I played ME2, Jacob was initially friendly to Tali and only responded to her attitude. Yeah she kinda earned that AI remark.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 13, 2017 17:57:48 GMT
Funny, in all the times I played ME2, Jacob was initially friendly to Tali and only responded to her attitude. Yeah she kinda earned that AI remark. I know right, its not like Cerberus had recently tried to blow up one of the Quarian Fleet's ships or anything. Oh wait.... If we could have only ever used one 'airlock this dumb ass' interrupt in the OT Jacob definitely would have earned it from me there.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2017 18:18:37 GMT
Yeah she kinda earned that AI remark. I know right, its not like Cerberus had recently tried to blow up one of the Quarian Fleet's ships or anything. Oh wait.... If we could have only ever used one 'airlock this dumb ass' interrupt in the OT Jacob definitely would have earned it from me there. Now I'm just imagining a bunch of people struggling in the airlock corridor while the Illusive Man yells over the phone. Javik would be proud.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 13, 2017 18:25:12 GMT
I know right, its not like Cerberus had recently tried to blow up one of the Quarian Fleet's ships or anything. Oh wait.... If we could have only ever used one 'airlock this dumb ass' interrupt in the OT Jacob definitely would have earned it from me there. Now I'm just imagining a bunch of people struggling in the airlock corridor while the Illusive Man yells over the phone. Javik would be proud. Hehe I miss Javik, he was great. Wish Grunt would have been a bigger part of ME3 those two had the potential for great scenes together.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 13, 2017 20:11:37 GMT
Kinda agree with this. There are boring as hell people irl, so how is a boring character badly written and not just a well written boring person ? Can you call something "well written" if all it evokes in you is the urge to yawn long and hard?... If the goal was to bore players yes. It probably wasn't though so valid point.
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Post by applepiesvk on Apr 13, 2017 20:14:34 GMT
only black character worth mention is Anderson, others are very boring and nothing special, Liam with his one-liners hit the new low...
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Post by cespar on Apr 13, 2017 20:54:37 GMT
Yes, some of the people here are racist, but majority of them are not. I am black, so I do get a little excited seeing black characterscreen. I love Liam and Vivienne, but Jacob cheating on Shepard made me dislike him as a character. I think Bioware are finally starting to do away with the stereotype, because Liam seemed to be written as a person first, instead of written as a black stereotype. Just grateful for black characters in general though. But I love all of the characters whether their black, blue, white, Turian, and Krogan. As long as I can play a black character, then it's good. Not saying get rid of the black companions though 😉
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Post by samdavidking on Apr 13, 2017 21:03:25 GMT
Liam and Jacob are shit characters. It's not because of their skin pigment. I am a caucasian, and as others have said; Anderson is easily one of the best characters in all of Mass Effect. Anderson should get his own spin-off series.
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Post by vallixas on Apr 13, 2017 21:27:12 GMT
I'm black and like none of these characters just like I didn't like Preston in Fallout. They're not bad because they're black, they're bad because they're poorly written. Liam as the most recent example, has a few decent lines here and there but ultimately he was poorly written and has some of the worst and most nonsensical dialogue in the game. Sometimes i'm with him and other times i'm like did you really just say that? He's not the only companion with bad dialogue, but most of it comes from him. Just because a character is written to be a bro, doesn't mean they're actually written well. I think that might be the divide between fans. Some people are willing to accept a character who is just cute, friendly or bro-ey with the protagonist even if they aren't necessarily written well.
Vivienne was great though.
But yeah male options for romance have all sucked lately. Paladin Danse is still RPG bae of the decade. Here's hoping for non suck males in the next Dragon Age.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 13, 2017 22:13:16 GMT
Liam is a chill dude. Probabaly my best bro along with jaal and SAM.
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Post by sil on Apr 13, 2017 22:20:43 GMT
I never understood the hate against Jacob. I thought he was a perfectly good character. Not one of my favourites, sure, but he had an interesting past and I liked how he didn't just wave the Cerberus banner as a mindless follower.
I think the problem with him is that he was added during ME2, a game with a host of great characters, so he didn't stand out. If he had been in ME1, he'd have been a well liked character I reckon.
And damn, he's vastly better than Kaidan McSnoozefest.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 13, 2017 22:21:01 GMT
Liam is a chill dude. Probabaly my best bro along with jaal and SAM. Liam's far too ancy to be chill... not that I don't like him. He's alright. But he's not chill and he's way too emo to be an explorer. Witness his freakout on Habitat 7.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 13, 2017 22:26:59 GMT
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 13, 2017 22:30:53 GMT
You still haven't described what's "chill" about the dude.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 13, 2017 22:41:01 GMT
He is a nice guy - but he's too impetuous to be chill. His movie night idea is a good one.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 13, 2017 22:43:59 GMT
He is a nice guy - but he's too impetuous to be chill. His movie night idea is a good one. He is impetuous, especially in his loyalty mission, but I don't hate him for it. In my own personal opinion, I like the guy. He's a good pal. Reminds me of a mix of vega and garrus.
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