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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 15, 2017 23:06:46 GMT
Mark7 I'm totally with you. They should stop at creating Morrigan's exclusive contents and then punish those who dare to go against her will,enough is enough. Walter Black said...well your choice is respected you don't have the kid in your game that doesn't affect you Well no of course.....except that it comes both at the price of death with DAA related issues or at the cost of losing contents with Loghain\Alistair( Stroud is not a strong enough narrative replecement) + the obvious fact that they invested more to create the fade scene which wasn't replaced with an alternative of the same quality. So sure that's fair indeed.
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Post by phoray on Apr 15, 2017 23:38:45 GMT
^^^^^ It was fair. You got the same amount of content. Just because YOU felt that Stroud wasn't narratively interesting is irrelevant and harks back to taste. There are folks on the boards that strongly like Stroud and actually find the decision between him and Hawke to be compelling and difficult. Also, you don't have to have done the DR to get either Warden Alistair or Warden Loghain to be present, if your Warden did the US. So, non Dark Ritual users have the same access to the implied "better content" of Alistair and Loghain as Dark Ritual Users in DAI.
And I've seen both versions of the Morrigan/Flemythal scene and they are equivalent as well. Now, I personally see a lot of value to a Morrigan that has experienced motherhood, which gives that version of the scene more weight with me, but that is a personal preference. Both versions get scenes. The Dark Ritualer users are not stealing from the non DR users.
Unless you're implying that giving any content to these cameos and story branches steals away from potential new content for players who haven't bothered with the first couple of games. Which I suppose is true, but part of the reason I adore these games is the connections/cameos/references of major decisions across the three games.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 15, 2017 23:56:41 GMT
^^^^^ It was fair. You got the same amount of content. Just because YOU felt that Stroud wasn't narratively interesting is irrelevant and harks back to taste. There are folks on the boards that strongly like Stroud and actually find the decision between him and Hawke to be compelling and difficult. Also, you don't have to have done the DR to get either Warden Alistair or Warden Loghain to be present, if your Warden did the US. So, non Dark Ritual users have the same access to the implied "better content" of Alistair and Loghain as Dark Ritual Users in DAI. And I've seen both versions of the Morrigan/Flemythal scene and they are equivalent as well. Now, I personally see a lot of value to a Morrigan that has experienced motherhood, which gives that version of the scene more weight with me, but that is a personal preference. Both versions get scenes. The Dark Ritualer users are not stealing from the non DR users. Unless you're implying that giving any content to these cameos and story branches steals away from potential new content for players who haven't bothered with the first couple of games. Which I suppose is true, but part of the reason I adore these games is the connections/cameos/references of major decisions across the three games. Do not bother, unnecessary. The evil "DR-runners" don't deserve Thedas! They don't deserve anything more than the end of the world, early in the game, because this Old God soul destroyed Thedas. Of course, unpreventable. That would be the only appropriate outcome to the DR runners. They need to learn their place... "DR runners" must be punished! With Morrigan!
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Post by phoray on Apr 16, 2017 0:04:29 GMT
CatilinaI'm assuming sarcasm? I don't agree with people that the only reason to do the Dark Ritual is selfish. If you trust Morigan in that she wishes you no personal harm, and that saving old magic is important, then I see no reason not to perform the ritual.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 0:13:23 GMT
Catilina I'm assuming sarcasm? I don't agree with people that the only reason to do the Dark Ritual is selfish. If you trust Morigan in that she wishes you no personal harm, and that saving old magic is important, then I see no reason not to perform the ritual. Of course, sarcasm, I'm a "DR runner" you know. (And even happened, that my Warden executed Loghain: so I'm also a murderer – the capital punishment unacceptable, IF the target is non-mage, "normal" people. If mage, the death punishment is serves the good.)
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Post by Walter Black on Apr 16, 2017 0:20:22 GMT
By this logic, all of the Suicide Mission recruits should still appear in ME3 even if the player got most of them killed, whether through sloppiness or deliberate calculation. If you spared Letho in The Witcher 2, he shouldn't appeared in 3 as to not piss off players who killed him. You made the choice not to have certain content in your run, and that choice was honored. Why are you so riled up that other players can experience different storylines that you didn't even want to begin with?
Odin Black was young and new to voice acting, and he gave the same performance as a normal human or the OGB. So any awkwardness in his performance was due to inexperience, not his character being possessed or "retarded". Which seems to be one of the go-to insults for Kieran and DR haters.
Like I said, human decency to Odin Black. So he gave a goofy performance, big whoop. I doubt most people could have done better at his age. Should Bioware have gone with a more experienced child actor or adult? Maybe, but if Odin is going to improve he needs constructive criticism, not juvenile insults.
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Post by akiza on Apr 16, 2017 0:58:46 GMT
I've wanted to kill Morrigan pretty much since Lothering, and the lack of that option as well as her being hamfisted into Inquisition no matter what p*ssed me off to no end. While I agree that never hearing from her again would almost be preferable, that is probably not going to happen, they're not building her as this ZOMGWTFBBQ 2k3wl4u ubermage just to drop her off the radar. Unfortunately. ^^^^^ It was fair. You got the same amount of content. The Dark Ritualer users are not stealing from the non DR users. Unless you're implying that giving any content to these cameos and story branches steals away from potential new content for players who haven't bothered with the first couple of games. Well that's not at all the way I feel.It's not fair to me. The DR version it provided extra lore and a better crafted scene and if I want to have Loghain without it I have to pay with Death.
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Post by Kei on Apr 16, 2017 1:06:10 GMT
CatilinaI'm assuming sarcasm? I don't agree with people that the only reason to do the Dark Ritual is selfish. If you trust Morigan in that she wishes you no personal harm, and that saving old magic is important, then I see no reason not to perform the ritual. Well disagree all you want but that doesn't make those claims to be false,doing the DR is only selfish given that it gambles the whole world over a dragon of whom neither Morrigan NOR any HoF know anything about other than it could become again an AD.That's a fact since she said by herself that she doesn't even know who or what this dragon is or what Flemeth want to do with it,and she doesn't even care.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 1:06:33 GMT
I've wanted to kill Morrigan pretty much since Lothering, and the lack of that option as well as her being hamfisted into Inquisition no matter what p*ssed me off to no end. While I agree that never hearing from her again would almost be preferable, that is probably not going to happen, they're not building her as this ZOMGWTFBBQ 2k3wl4u ubermage just to drop her off the radar. Unfortunately. ^^^^^ It was fair. You got the same amount of content. The Dark Ritualer users are not stealing from the non DR users. Unless you're implying that giving any content to these cameos and story branches steals away from potential new content for players who haven't bothered with the first couple of games. Well that's not at all the way I feel.It's not fair to me. The DR version it provided extra lore and a better crafted scene and if I want to have Loghain without it I have to pay with Death. Why Keiran got extra scenes? Because 1 child more than 0. Morrigan-mancers also got more dialogue with her, no matter, performed the dark ritual or not. This about the child and Morrigan, not about the moral. You hate Morrigan, why you need more content with her? And the DR version is better crafted? Because this is a very interesting experiment. The content does not depend on morality, but on whether or not interesting. Life is unfair.
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Post by Prince on Apr 16, 2017 1:16:28 GMT
Like I said, human decency to Odin Black. So he gave a goofy performance, big whoop. I doubt most people could have done better at his age. Should Bioware have gone with a more experienced child actor or adult? Maybe, but if Odin is going to improve he needs constructive criticism, not juvenile insults. I don't really understand if you have reading comprehension issues or if you're just playing at being a victim. How many times do I need to repeat that I don't care about the voice actors?Why did you even mentioned them in the first place? But feel free to continue with your performance if it pleases you,keep repeating this name that I didn't even knew until 20 mins ago..
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Post by akiza on Apr 16, 2017 1:56:50 GMT
And the DR version is better crafted? Because this is a very interesting experiment. The content does not depend on morality, but on whether or not interesting. Life is unfair. If that was all you had to say why did you bothered to reply to me? Life is unfair thank you very much....doesn't matter that this is a game and I didn't paid any less for it....eh
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Post by oyabun on Apr 16, 2017 2:04:57 GMT
I've wanted to kill Morrigan pretty much since Lothering, and the lack of that option as well as her being hamfisted into Inquisition no matter what p*ssed me off to no end. While I agree that never hearing from her again would almost be preferable, that is probably not going to happen, they're not building her as this ZOMGWTFBBQ 2k3wl4u ubermage just to drop her off the radar. Unfortunately. Well that's not at all the way I feel.It's not fair to me. The DR version it provided extra lore and a better crafted scene and if I want to have Loghain without it I have to pay with Death. Why Keiran got extra scenes? Because 1 child more than 0. Morrigan-mancers also got more dialogue with her, no matter, performed the dark ritual or not. . A dialogue isn't the same as an extra scene or more lore revelations,you just get different dialogues from the NPC Morrigan from the romance not more dialogues or extra lore like in the case of the OGB.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 16, 2017 2:18:29 GMT
A dialogue isn't the same as an extra scene or more lore revelations,you just get different dialogues from the NPC Morrigan from the romance not more dialogues or extra lore like in the case of the OGB. Regardless of how much they want to disagree about the difference in contents they can't sustain anything of what they have said unlike me,at least one was being honest into saying that one scenario was better crafted than the other. That's why EA forced BioWare to cut this subplot in DAI. Why the heck all players non DR runners should suffer this difference for other games as well? Now they want this optional character to be in their world basically asking for more exclusive contents,or even asking for AD soul to be again involved into the plot so they can get more contents....sure of course life is unfair indeed,well to bad that money used to buy the game have the same value and so they are fair.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 2:22:54 GMT
If that was all you had to say why did you bothered to reply to me? Life is unfair thank you very much....doesn't matter that this is a game and I didn't paid any less for it....eh How can they create an interesting story about that nothing has happened? Morrigan hasn't a(n old god) child. Do you want a scene about, why Morrigan don't have a(n old god) child? (Also if the Inquisitor decide, that Morrigan will dring from the Well of Sorrow, doesn't get a scene with Guardian of Mythal. So unfair!)
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Post by oyabun on Apr 16, 2017 2:38:08 GMT
If that was all you had to say why did you bothered to reply to me? Life is unfair thank you very much....doesn't matter that this is a game and I didn't paid any less for it....eh How can they create an interesting story about that nothing has happened? Morrigan hasn't a(n old god) child. Do you want a scene about, why Morrigan don't have a(n old god) child? (Also if the Inquisitor decide, that Morrigan will dring from the Well of Sorrow, doesn't get a scene with Guardian of Mythal. So unfair!) They could had created something more interesting even without this child in the story,there are plenty of things they could have done,like giving an extra scene with Corypheus in the Altar of Mythal with him wanting something from it and/or Flemeth.Instead they just came up with a watered down version of the fade scene,with 80% of the same dialogues(20%are fade exclusive Kieran)and with Flemeth appearing from nothing without any good reason other than her own curiosity to meet the owner of the well.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 2:47:09 GMT
How can they create an interesting story about that nothing has happened? Morrigan hasn't a(n old god) child. Do you want a scene about, why Morrigan don't have a(n old god) child? (Also if the Inquisitor decide, that Morrigan will dring from the Well of Sorrow, doesn't get a scene with Guardian of Mythal. So unfair!) They could had created something more interesting even without this child in the story,there are plenty of things they could have done,like giving an extra scene with Corypheus in the Altar of Mythal with him wanting something from it and/or Flemeth.Instead they just came up with a watered down version of the fade scene,with 80% of the same dialogues(20%are fade exclusive Kieran)and with Flemeth appearing from nothing without any good reason other than her own curiosity to meet the owner of the well. Related with the non-existing old god soul? Or?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 16, 2017 8:38:28 GMT
"DR runners" must be punished! With Morrigan! Why do I get the feeling most DR-Runners view her as a reward? How can they create an interesting story about that nothing has happened? Morrigan hasn't a(n old god) child. Do you want a scene about, why Morrigan don't have a(n old god) child? (Also if the Inquisitor decide, that Morrigan will dring from the Well of Sorrow, doesn't get a scene with Guardian of Mythal. So unfair!) They could had created something more interesting even without this child in the story,there are plenty of things they could have done,like giving an extra scene with Corypheus in the Altar of Mythal with him wanting something from it and/or Flemeth.Instead they just came up with a watered down version of the fade scene,with 80% of the same dialogues(20%are fade exclusive Kieran)and with Flemeth appearing from nothing without any good reason other than her own curiosity to meet the owner of the well. She had another reason. She was called. Oh, and she probably wanted to help handle Cory. Can't imagine she wants him to win that fight. It is possible she destroyed it, but not likely, since if she wanted it destroyed all she had to do during DA:O was not put the DR plot in motion at all. I don't think this is obvious as it would seem.These souls can be separated,meaning their powers can be removed from their essence. If what Flemeth wanted were the powers she may have decided to destroy or banish the soul once she gained it's powers. Hm. That would still make the soul relevant, though. Since that would mean that either the power Solas took from her, or whatever she put into the mirror, was more potent. Which means that the decision should still have some effect even if she did this. (Some effect besides nobody having to US, that is.)
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
"DR runners" must be punished! With Morrigan! Why do I get the feeling most DR-Runners view her as a reward? I don't know, it's your feeling.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 16, 2017 11:12:30 GMT
Why do I get the feeling most DR-Runners view her as a reward? I don't know, it's your feeling. True. Probably a bad question.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 11:33:20 GMT
I don't know, it's your feeling. True. Probably a bad question. Or... I'm a jerk, as usually. So: probably I worded badly: I mean DR runners AND Morrigan deserve punishment. But I like your version. Most people like Morrigan, despite her nature, or exactly because of. The rest pronouncedly dislike/hate her. I can understand both.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 16, 2017 12:11:56 GMT
She had another reason. She was called. Oh, and she probably wanted to help handle Cory. Can't imagine she wants him to win that fight. Just because she is called that doesn't mean she is forced to respond.Like she said she appeared out of curiosity,she didn't had the same strong motives as in the fade scene..power up herself. We don't even know if she had the means to stop Cory on her own or if she needed the Inquisitor to do that afterall she already knew how to kill Cory.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 16, 2017 12:24:49 GMT
Just because she is called that doesn't mean she is forced to respond.Like she said she appeared out of curiosity,she didn't had the same strong motives as in the fade scene..power up herself. We don't even know if she had the means to stop Cory on her own or if she needed the Inquisitor to do that afterall she already knew how to kill Cory. She doesn't seem to like directly acting, though. She doesn't do much of it in the other games. And hey, if the Inquisitor fails, she can always jump in then. Besides: "I wanted to see who was calling" is still a reason to show up.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 16, 2017 12:26:36 GMT
Why do I get the feeling most DR-Runners view her as a reward? The answer is obvious. Whatever the outcome it will be,it is bound to be exclusive and that is in itself a gain.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 16, 2017 12:30:24 GMT
Why do I get the feeling most DR-Runners view her as a reward? [/quote And here I thought it was her tendency to walk around 55% naked.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 16, 2017 12:31:08 GMT
Besides: "I wanted to see who was calling" is still a reason to show up. I think that line is just a deception.She knew who were the host of the well before to meet them in the fade scene,that's why from it she identified the child. It is nonsense that she was surprised in one version(Altar) and already aware about their identities in the other(fade).
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