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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 16, 2017 12:40:46 GMT
Besides: "I wanted to see who was calling" is still a reason to show up. I think that line is just a deception.She knew who were the host of the well before to meet them in the fade scene,that's why from it she identified the child. It is nonsense that she was surprised in one version(Altar) and already aware about their identities in the other(fade). Makes sense. But if she knew her daughter was there, why does she not have a reason to show up?
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Post by oyabun on Apr 16, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
I think that line is just a deception.She knew who were the host of the well before to meet them in the fade scene,that's why from it she identified the child. It is nonsense that she was surprised in one version(Altar) and already aware about their identities in the other(fade). Makes sense. But if she knew her daughter was there, why does she not have a reason to show up? Flemeth isn't the type that cares unless she has something to again. I mean she didn't cared at all to know this child unless it had the Urthemiel soul despite him being a parent.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Apr 16, 2017 15:51:32 GMT
No, because his existence is far too optional, and removing the need for the Warden to father him removes any personal significance he has to players.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 16, 2017 16:30:21 GMT
Makes sense. But if she knew her daughter was there, why does she not have a reason to show up? Flemeth isn't the type that cares unless she has something to again. I mean she didn't cared at all to know this child unless it had the Urthemiel soul despite him being a parent. How do you know? Morrigan has been on the run since she was pregnant, so Flemeth has never had an opportunity to show whether didn't care to know her grandchild.
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Post by smudjygirl on Apr 16, 2017 20:54:10 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 0:11:58 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high. And yet we've already seen a pretty big difference between US and DR playthroughs even in Inquisition. In a non-DR playthrough, you don't get the scene in the Fade with Flemeth, instead going directly to the Altar of Mythal. Hell, you never even see the Altar of Mythal if you're a DR player who lets Morrigan take the Well. (Which is what I did my first time through the game.) It's not much, but it's already more than you'd expect just seeing the minor continuity nods in Awakening and DA2.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 17, 2017 0:55:38 GMT
Flemeth isn't the type that cares unless she has something to again. I mean she didn't cared at all to know this child unless it had the Urthemiel soul despite him being a parent. How do you know? Morrigan has been on the run since she was pregnant, so Flemeth has never had an opportunity to show whether didn't care to know her grandchild. How do I know? If she cared she could had tried to meet him via well of sorrow regardless of him having the former AD soul,but in the Altar scenario she simply doesn't care at all to even bother to search him nor he cared to ask anything about him to Morrigan. That seem to me enough of an evidence to claim that she only cares to meet him for the AD soul.
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Post by phoray on Apr 17, 2017 1:06:28 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high. I'm mostly certain that they actually maintain three canons not just one. Although that impression is from Dragon Age 2- where you can import a personal save file or pick one of three canon world states. Which means they built DA2 around those three world states for the most part. And if you count the books as a canon world, that the HoF is never mentioned one way or the other as far as I recall.
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Post by akiza on Apr 17, 2017 1:25:50 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high. And yet we've already seen a pretty big difference between US and DR playthroughs even in Inquisition. In a non-DR playthrough, you don't get the scene in the Fade with Flemeth, instead going directly to the Altar of Mythal. Hell, you never even see the Altar of Mythal if you're a DR player who lets Morrigan take the Well. (Which is what I did my first time through the game.) It's not much, but it's already more than you'd expect just seeing the minor continuity nods in Awakening and DA2. I think it's the other way around - the OGB doesn't matter (the importance of said devoured/removed soul is, in my estimation, overshadowed by the power Flemeth or Fen'Harel wields at the end of the game) and the Warden is completely ignored and out of the picture. So the Warden may as well be dead and the OGB may as well have never existed. That speaks more of an US canon than an OGB one.The only difference it's about two scenes that EA originally didn't even meant to be part of DAI(The whole well of sorrow narrative branches were a DLC of DAII)but Gaider insisted on that and imho it forced a little bit the main plot of DAI.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 2:00:50 GMT
And yet we've already seen a pretty big difference between US and DR playthroughs even in Inquisition. In a non-DR playthrough, you don't get the scene in the Fade with Flemeth, instead going directly to the Altar of Mythal. Hell, you never even see the Altar of Mythal if you're a DR player who lets Morrigan take the Well. (Which is what I did my first time through the game.) It's not much, but it's already more than you'd expect just seeing the minor continuity nods in Awakening and DA2. I think it's the other way around - the OGB doesn't matter (the importance of said devoured/removed soul is, in my estimation, overshadowed by the power Flemeth or Fen'Harel wields at the end of the game) and the Warden is completely ignored and out of the picture. So the Warden may as well be dead and the OGB may as well have never existed. That speaks more of an US canon than an OGB one.The only difference it's about two scenes that EA originally didn't even meant to be part of DAI(The whole well of sorrow narrative branches were a DLC of DAII)but Gaider insisted on that and imho it forced a little bit the main plot of DAI. My point is that Bioware seems to be getting better about making the game different based on what choices you made. Not just on this point; there's other differences scattered here and there throughout the game, most notably the three different Warden informants you pick from using the Keep. Arguing about who gets more (which was always going to be the DR people, since how are you going to make content around Kieran not existing and the Warden being dead?) kinda misses that point. As for the OGB not mattering, we won't know that until we see how much power Fen'Harel and Mythal (if she still exists) wield by the end of the game, and more to the point whether or not they're more powerful or differently powerful depending on what you picked.
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Post by akiza on Apr 17, 2017 2:20:39 GMT
I think it's the other way around - the OGB doesn't matter (the importance of said devoured/removed soul is, in my estimation, overshadowed by the power Flemeth or Fen'Harel wields at the end of the game) and the Warden is completely ignored and out of the picture. So the Warden may as well be dead and the OGB may as well have never existed. That speaks more of an US canon than an OGB one.The only difference it's about two scenes that EA originally didn't even meant to be part of DAI(The whole well of sorrow narrative branches were a DLC of DAII)but Gaider insisted on that and imho it forced a little bit the main plot of DAI. My point is that Bioware seems to be getting better about making the game different based on what choices you made. Not just on this point; there's other differences scattered here and there throughout the game, most notably the three different Warden informants you pick from using the Keep. Arguing about who gets more (which was always going to be the DR people, since how are you going to make content around Kieran not existing and the Warden being dead?) kinda misses that point. As for the OGB not mattering, we won't know that until we see how much power Fen'Harel and Mythal (if she still exists) wield by the end of the game, and more to the point whether or not they're more powerful or differently powerful depending on what you picked. She will do nothing. Solas will do nothing. It's over. As long as the Dark Ritual was only one of several ending choices, dividing the lore between world states where the Old God soul does and does not exist at the same time, this entire subplot will never amount to anything. Flemeth removing the soul from Kieran was the end of the road for this whole thing - now the soul doesn't exist in anyone's world states, and the writers can move on to the plots that affect every player. The different wardens informants filled the same role,they don't make any difference to the narrative. I disagree of them being unable to create exclusive contents for Non-DR players they could had done that if they wanted simply by developing more the Altar of Mythal and fill that place with more characters Abelas alike instead to leave it empty like it was.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 3:00:08 GMT
My point is that Bioware seems to be getting better about making the game different based on what choices you made. Not just on this point; there's other differences scattered here and there throughout the game, most notably the three different Warden informants you pick from using the Keep. Arguing about who gets more (which was always going to be the DR people, since how are you going to make content around Kieran not existing and the Warden being dead?) kinda misses that point. As for the OGB not mattering, we won't know that until we see how much power Fen'Harel and Mythal (if she still exists) wield by the end of the game, and more to the point whether or not they're more powerful or differently powerful depending on what you picked. She will do nothing. Solas will do nothing. It's over. As long as the Dark Ritual was only one of several ending choices, dividing the lore between world states where the Old God soul does and does not exist at the same time, this entire subplot will never amount to anything. Flemeth removing the soul from Kieran was the end of the road for this whole thing - now the soul doesn't exist in anyone's world states, and the writers can move on to the plots that affect every player. Part of the reason I don't think that story's over is that it was Flemeth who removed the soul. Flemeth, who was the mastermind behind the plot which prevented it from being destroyed. Why would she create a decade-long plot to ensure that the Old God exists for a decade longer, if the ending was just to destroy it? Maybe she drained its power and then destroyed it, the way Aren suggested, but even then she presumably had some goal to achieve using its power... even if that goal was just increasing her own so that when Solas did the same to her he'd gain more power.They served the same role, but they aren't the same character. They created scripts that slightly altered a plot that occurs in any World-State to use characters who weren't alive in everyone's World-State in order to continue plot-threads that were already closed in some World-States. Why can't they do something similar with the OGB? Like, for example, making Solas more powerful if he absorbed the OGS, or making him equally powerful without the OGS because he did something desperate that makes him noticeably less healthy in some way? It'd feel pretty cheap if there wasn't some reason for it to be exclusive content, though. It would have to be something that logically wouldn't happen unless the Warden was dead or the OGB never existed.
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Post by smudjygirl on Apr 17, 2017 10:13:03 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high. I'm mostly certain that they actually maintain three canons not just one. Although that impression is from Dragon Age 2- where you can import a personal save file or pick one of three canon world states. Which means they built DA2 around those three world states for the most part. And if you count the books as a canon world, that the HoF is never mentioned one way or the other as far as I recall. The changes those world states had were quite minimal, though, if i recall correctly. They basically changed what minor quests are open to you and mentions of the Warden changed. I'm pretty sure the books are cannon, but they don't have all that much to do with the Warden or Morrigan, the two people Kieren's existence depends on. So there's no reason to mention them, really. DA2 had 3 stories you could import, but DAI only had the one. While i know keep is not that much to go on, here is what their default is dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_Keep (scroll down to it) They obviously know and account for every choice that you can make, so there's a huge change we will see Kieren again. They say it's pretty much a 50/50 split between those who have him and those who don't, although that doesn't account for those who had a human Kieren son. (Romance stats could tell them that, though) What i'm saying is there is very little chance of him having a MAJOR role, which is what this thread is discussing. I think it's important to note, though, that currently the Inquisition cannon is that Morrigan drank from the well, meaning she is tied to Mythal forever now, and we know what happened to Flemeth. Although i doubt Flemeth is gone, there is a chance Morrigan will assume her role as puppeteer of fate. In which case, Kieren could be around whenever she is. That's just speculation, though. I do love the thought of him becoming a companion when he becomes an adult, but i think that is too much to hope for. This is because people who didn't have him in their games either 1)Won't get a companion 2) Will have him forced on them or 3) Have a completely different companion in his place, which may be a little too much for Bioware to have to deal with. But they could pull a Leliana on him if they have a good enough reason.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 17, 2017 10:46:58 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high. I'm mostly certain that they actually maintain three canons not just one. Although that impression is from Dragon Age 2- where you can import a personal save file or pick one of three canon world states. Which means they built DA2 around those three world states for the most part. And if you count the books as a canon world, that the HoF is never mentioned one way or the other as far as I recall. The books are pretty much canon, which is why they go out of their way to not mention the Warden and Hawke specifically. They also never mention the ruler of Ferelden. The only direct reference of the Warden I can recall from Asunder is when Wynne uses a particular staff that is claimed to be a gift from the Warden. There is no reference to Hawke, only Anders's actions in Kirkwall. However, Asunder has some problematic elements regarding Wynne, which are only problematic because of Cole's appearance in DAI. Wynne was the driving force in the plot and the journey that the group goes on. But she can be killed in DAO. However, I suppose that, like Leliana's possible death, the explanation for Wynne's survival is actually in DAO itself. So really, the only issue is with Shale, who could not be recruited, or could not be revived altogether. But as Shale's role in Asunder is so very minimal, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Even if we take the first run of comics, with Alistair, Isabela, and Varric, there are canonical things that will still be true. Even without accounting for our own decisions in DAO, Sten apparently survives, even if he was still locked in the cage and not recruited, and becomes the arishok -- this is also carried over in a banter between Bull and Varric in DAI. The various things related to Maevaris are still canon, and she appears in war table missions and in Trespasser epilogue slides with Dorian. Also, even though Alistair is king, it still allows for some leeway, as the Warden can still be male/female, be any race, be any class, be in a romance with him or not, or could be dead. All we know is that Alistair survived and is king, not how he survived. Even if knowledge of the DR is referenced, that can be accounted for by his refusal of the ritual (in this case the Warden would be dead).
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 17, 2017 11:29:53 GMT
She will do nothing. Solas will do nothing. It's over. As long as the Dark Ritual was only one of several ending choices, dividing the lore between world states where the Old God soul does and does not exist at the same time, this entire subplot will never amount to anything. Flemeth removing the soul from Kieran was the end of the road for this whole thing - now the soul doesn't exist in anyone's world states, and the writers can move on to the plots that affect every player. Part of the reason I don't think that story's over is that it was Flemeth who removed the soul. Flemeth, who was the mastermind behind the plot which prevented it from being destroyed. Why would she create a decade-long plot to ensure that the Old God exists for a decade longer, if the ending was just to destroy it? Maybe she drained its power and then destroyed it, the way Aren suggested, but even then she presumably had some goal to achieve using its power... even if that goal was just increasing her own so that when Solas did the same to her he'd gain more power.They served the same role, but they aren't the same character. They created scripts that slightly altered a plot that occurs in any World-State to use characters who weren't alive in everyone's World-State in order to continue plot-threads that were already closed in some World-States. Why can't they do something similar with the OGB? Like, for example, making Solas more powerful if he absorbed the OGS, or making him equally powerful without the OGS because he did something desperate that makes him noticeably less healthy in some way? It'd feel pretty cheap if there wasn't some reason for it to be exclusive content, though. It would have to be something that logically wouldn't happen unless the Warden was dead or the OGB never existed. I don't see them doing anything,waiting 10 years to continue an optional path isn't that smart imho,but since they said that DAI was a game splitted in two parts you may be right. It costed them nothing to put some exclusive ancient elf with his own dialogues in the Altar of Mythal.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 17, 2017 11:40:37 GMT
At the end of the day, Bioware's main point of story development in DA is their own in house cannon. In their cannon, the HOF was a female Dalish Elf(?) that make the ultimate sacrifice. So i wouldn't hold out hope for major meetings from Kieren unless they pull a Leliana and magic him into the game. Which is their right, but that interferes with people's own cannon. I'd love for him to play a major part, but the unlikeliness is very high. I'm mostly certain that they actually maintain three canons not just one. Although that impression is from Dragon Age 2- where you can import a personal save file or pick one of three canon world states. Which means they built DA2 around those three world states for the most part. And if you count the books as a canon world, that the HoF is never mentioned one way or the other as far as I recall. Empress Celene mentions the HoF in the Masked Empire.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 11:41:07 GMT
Part of the reason I don't think that story's over is that it was Flemeth who removed the soul. Flemeth, who was the mastermind behind the plot which prevented it from being destroyed. Why would she create a decade-long plot to ensure that the Old God exists for a decade longer, if the ending was just to destroy it? Maybe she drained its power and then destroyed it, the way Aren suggested, but even then she presumably had some goal to achieve using its power... even if that goal was just increasing her own so that when Solas did the same to her he'd gain more power.They served the same role, but they aren't the same character. They created scripts that slightly altered a plot that occurs in any World-State to use characters who weren't alive in everyone's World-State in order to continue plot-threads that were already closed in some World-States. Why can't they do something similar with the OGB? Like, for example, making Solas more powerful if he absorbed the OGS, or making him equally powerful without the OGS because he did something desperate that makes him noticeably less healthy in some way? It'd feel pretty cheap if there wasn't some reason for it to be exclusive content, though. It would have to be something that logically wouldn't happen unless the Warden was dead or the OGB never existed. I don't see them doing anything,waiting 10 years to continue an optional path isn't that smart imho,but since they said that DAI was a game splitted in two parts you may be right. It's either that or leave it incomplete. Which is worse? But what would the in-universe explanation for him being exclusive be? What I'm trying to say is that content exclusive to one path should have a decent explanation for why it's exclusive.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 17, 2017 12:05:12 GMT
I don't see them doing anything,waiting 10 years to continue an optional path isn't that smart imho,but since they said that DAI was a game splitted in two parts you may be right. It's either that or leave it incomplete. Which is worse?But what would the in-universe explanation for him being exclusive be? What I'm trying to say is that content exclusive to one path should have a decent explanation for why it's exclusive. I don't see anything odd with an exclusive priest of Mythal being available only near the location of the Altar,trying to protect it or simply being there because required to assist summoning Flemeth.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 12:18:49 GMT
It's either that or leave it incomplete. Which is worse?But what would the in-universe explanation for him being exclusive be? What I'm trying to say is that content exclusive to one path should have a decent explanation for why it's exclusive. I don't see anything odd with an exclusive priest of Mythal being available only near the location of the Altar,trying to protect it or simply being there because required to assist summoning Flemeth. I don't see anything weird with a priest of Mythal being available near the location of the Altar either. But what I'm asking is what the in-universe explanation for him being exclusive would have been.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 17, 2017 12:34:52 GMT
I don't see anything odd with an exclusive priest of Mythal being available only near the location of the Altar,trying to protect it or simply being there because required to assist summoning Flemeth. I don't see anything weird with a priest of Mythal being available near the location of the Altar either. But what I'm asking is what the in-universe explanation for him being exclusive would have been. He is exclusive because you can't find the Altar of Mythal with the DR.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 17, 2017 14:19:43 GMT
Whatever the case with DAI, I think it is pretty clear that they are trying to wipe the slate clean so far as the majority of characters are concerned when it comes to the next game, so there will be few awkward carry overs to accommodate from earlier ones, particularly those before DAI. We are heading north, where the majority of people have no business to be.
So the only people, other than Solas (and possibly the Inquisitor), likely to return are ones who have a specific link to Tevinter: Dorian (cannot be killed and becomes a Magister regardless of whether you were friends or not, or even recruited him); Calpernia (ambiguous death as never see the body and people steered towards sparing her (CoJ) or never even meeting her (HW); Maevaris (although she was the creation of DG and he is no longer around); Harding and/or Charter (because we are told in the epilogue to Trespasser that Leliana was training them up to be her replacement). It is also possible they might bring back Tallis (because she is another person you cannot kill and has a Qunari connection). It is also vaguely possible that Cole could return in some sort of cameo role.
Most other people from DAI have no reason to be in Tevinter and are shown in the epilogue to be engaged doing their own thing down south, including Hawke if they survived because they are now back in Kirkwall, so you can happily head to Grey Warden HQ without people expecting to see them (same goes for Stroud, Warden Alistair or Warden Loghain by implication - their business with the Wardens finished before we got there). So if they appear at all it will be as codex entries or letters, not as actual characters.
I say this because Kieran, whether as an ex-OGB or not, has no real reason to be up north. Even if Morrigan should pop up again, it is highly unlikely she would want to risk bringing her son with her. Unless they fast forward the plot several years, he will still be a young adolescent and thus not even the right age for companion material. So there is no logical reason to include him even if they could find a way around the US, so why would they waste time and effort in trying to accommodate him?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Apr 17, 2017 15:42:45 GMT
So the only people, other than Solas (and possibly the Inquisitor), likely to return are ones who have a specific link to Tevinter: Dorian (cannot be killed and becomes a Magister regardless of whether you were friends or not, or even recruited him); Calpernia (ambiguous death as never see the body and people steered towards sparing her (CoJ) or never even meeting her (HW); Maevaris (although she was the creation of DG and he is no longer around); Harding and/or Charter (because we are told in the epilogue to Trespasser that Leliana was training them up to be her replacement). It is also possible they might bring back Tallis (because she is another person you cannot kill and has a Qunari connection). It is also vaguely possible that Cole could return in some sort of cameo role. Don't forget that she is featured in the Trespasser Dorian epilogue slide, so it seems like a pretty strong hint that she will be involved in some manner.
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Post by phoray on Apr 17, 2017 16:03:25 GMT
I'm mostly certain that they actually maintain three canons not just one. Although that impression is from Dragon Age 2- where you can import a personal save file or pick one of three canon world states. Which means they built DA2 around those three world states for the most part. DA2 had 3 stories you could import, but DAI only had the one. While i know keep is not that much to go on, here is what their default is dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_Keep (scroll down to it) Oh my gosh, that default world state of all three games is so far off from what I did and all of my PTs so far. US which is whatever... We got our cure letter, but it makes me worried they're not going to follow that plot line, regardless of HoF involvement. didn't help find Sten's sword? <- how can he even return to his people to be the Arishok if he's shot on sight? NEar all of the side quests were not completed, which who does that, but I noticed it didn't matter one way or the other when I clicked them for my worlds but then, why even have the tiles for them? And Connor dies, but Ser Landry lives- we see connor in the live games, but I've never met Ser Landry since the first game. Both Avernus and Sophia killed? Why? Avernus is such an interesting plot point and they've already introduced the Cure plot line. Hawke died in the Fade? That's canon? Sigh. At least we got a slide about returning to Kirkwall with friend Varric if we didn't do that. They'll leave Hawke alone now. But what I'm most irritated about is teh Trespasser choices. Why is bull's betrayal canon? Why is keeping the Inquisition canon? Why is killing Solas canon? @_@
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 16:05:03 GMT
I don't see anything weird with a priest of Mythal being available near the location of the Altar either. But what I'm asking is what the in-universe explanation for him being exclusive would have been. He is exclusive because you can't find the Altar of Mythal with the DR. Yeah you can. Whether or not you do the DR, you need to go to the Altar if the Inquisitor drank from the Well in order to get control of the Guardian of Mythal. And if you go to the Altar despite doing the DR, why wouldn't he be there?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 17, 2017 16:09:20 GMT
Oh my gosh, that default world state of all three games is so far off from what I did and all of my PTs so far. US which is whatever... We got our cure letter, but it makes me worried they're not going to follow that plot line, regardless of HoF involvement. didn't help find Sten's sword? <- how can he even return to his people to be the Arishok if he's shot on sight? NEar all of the side quests were not completed, which who does that, but I noticed it didn't matter one way or the other when I clicked them for my worlds but then, why even have the tiles for them? And Connor dies, but Ser Landry lives- we see connor in the live games, but I've never met Ser Landry since the first game. Both Avernus and Sophia killed? Why? Avernus is such an interesting plot point and they've already introduced the Cure plot line. Hawke died in the Fade? That's canon? Sigh. At least we got a slide about returning to Kirkwall with friend Varric if we didn't do that. They'll leave Hawke alone now. But what I'm most irritated about is teh Trespasser choices. Why is bull's betrayal canon? Why is keeping the Inquisition canon? Why is killing Solas canon? @_@ As far as Sophia, Avernus, the Warden, Hawke, and Bull dying, I think the rationale Bioware gave is that they don't want people who didn't import to get any plotlines that a first-time player of the series wouldn't care about. Which is probably something they'd only care about if they at least hadn't ruled out those characters returning. (Though of course Sophia is unlikely to.)
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