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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 13, 2017 13:09:46 GMT
First of all, if this is what considered a constructive feedback, then no wonder why most discussions go the way they go. Secondly, the argument about MEA being the first game, thus lacking supposed buildup and looking worse than trilogy is complete bollocks and has been rebuked numerous times. First of all, even ME1 was much more captivating than Andromeda with more believable and interesting characters and dialogues, among many other things. So you cant really use your argument there. Thirdly, even if viewed as stand-alone experience, ME 2 and 3 are still light years ahead more interesting and captivation that MEA will ever be, all things considered. Last but not least, ppl seriously need to stop trying to weasel Andromeda into better light by repeating that notwithstanding argument that MEA is supposedly a first game, because it is not. It had 3 previous game that did pretty much all the heavy stuff in establishing game setting, but at the same time moving to new galaxy provided developers with a huge margin of creative freedom and ability to insert new stuff into the game, luxury that original trilogy did not had. In other worlds - MEA devs "only" task was writing a new story and characters while having most assets already developed and established, and still they failed miserably even in this "luxurious" development environment. So pleas - please stop that mindless chanting about MEA being the first game and thus should be excused, because it is not. What it is is a very poor work of writing combined with unpolished technical part that got released in what essentially is a beta quality, at a price of a full AAA game. There is literally no excuse for that, so stop trying to excuse MEA with such nonsense got to agree here. I am not as down on the game as you I suspect, but rationale that this is the first game and therefore should be excused is plainly wrong for the reasons above. Andromeda recycles more of the trilogy than it introduce new things. Even for the sake of argument that this is true, it's hardly a defense to say that the sequels will make it look better
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:13:22 GMT
Note this is constructive feedback. Yeah rare to see I know. ME:A wasn't ever going to be good as the Original Trilogy....because it doesn't have any build up. Just like if you started with 2 or 3 you wouldn't have the same attachments to any of the characters since you dont know who they are or how they would know Shepard thus lessening the impact of the game. The OT should only be played in order otherwise you will be blind to many important events and characters. The first ME1 was to establish the world, characters, the villains and who your character was, just like ME:A is doing. (Lets face it no-one played ME1 for its gameplay or graphics but for the story). This is how I felt when I played the Witcher 3. See I have never played the previous installments and always felt like I was missing something. Like I didn't really care for most of the characters because I didn't know their stories or their relationships with Gerault. In short, give ME:A a chance in the second game and then judge it for everything it is worth. In my case, Andromeda gave me enough time and space to get attached to everyone I would get attached to, so I loved it for that. DA2 achieved it as well. Both games did not manage that for other players.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 13, 2017 13:27:18 GMT
Ah yes, wait until the second game comes out before judging, wait until patches come out before judging, wait until all DLCs come out before judging.... Sure why not...
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2017 13:27:42 GMT
Just keep telling yourself that MEA is no worse than the OT. It'll be like a race. Who can keep up the same line of bullshit the longest, only there will be no one here to congratulate you the winner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:31:51 GMT
Just keep telling yourself that MEA is no worse than the OT. It'll be like a race. Who can keep up the same line of bullshit the longest, only there will be no one here to congratulate you the winner. And you keep telling yourself that people who feel differently than you do, are somehow inferior or liar as or whatever. That will get you far.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 13, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
First of all, if this is what considered a constructive feedback, then no wonder why most discussions go the way they go. Secondly, the argument about MEA being the first game, thus lacking supposed buildup and looking worse than trilogy is complete bollocks and has been rebuked numerous times. First of all, even ME1 was much more captivating than Andromeda with more believable and interesting characters and dialogues, among many other things. So you cant really use your argument there. Thirdly, even if viewed as stand-alone experience, ME 2 and 3 are still light years ahead more interesting and captivation that MEA will ever be, all things considered. Last but not least, ppl seriously need to stop trying to weasel Andromeda into better light by repeating that notwithstanding argument that MEA is supposedly a first game, because it is not. It had 3 previous game that did pretty much all the heavy stuff in establishing game setting, but at the same time moving to new galaxy provided developers with a huge margin of creative freedom and ability to insert new stuff into the game, luxury that original trilogy did not had. In other worlds - MEA devs "only" task was writing a new story and characters while having most assets already developed and established, and still they failed miserably even in this "luxurious" development environment. So pleas - please stop that mindless chanting about MEA being the first game and thus should be excused, because it is not. What it is is a very poor work of writing combined with unpolished technical part that got released in what essentially is a beta quality, at a price of a full AAA game. There is literally no excuse for that, so stop trying to excuse MEA with such nonsense 1. Matter of opinion 2. Oh really? I can think of several thing that would not have mattered as much without any build up: - The Geth; without playing 2 you would be far less likely to bother saving them, or the Quarians for that matter. - Curing the Genophage: Without 1 and 2 you would be more inclined to screw them over. - Stopping/killing Mordin; Why would you keep him alive if you don't have any history with the guy? - The final goodbyes over the intercom with past team mates who are still alive in 3: ^ - Meeting past characters: It would be like meeting people who you have forgotten and are just like "oh hey its you....." - Talking about past events from the franchise: Its like when you get drunk and don't remember anything "Wait I did WHAT!?" I could go on and on but Ill leave it at this. 3. There is no way to objectively make an opinion on any medias story so lets just drop this one 4. Its a new galaxy the only assets they used are previous character models, a handful of weapon designs and the N7 armour everything else has been built from the ground up. I believe EA is to blame for the rushed release of this game so yeah I do cut them slack since the publisher hound them to get games out faster and faster. Bioware had to make a RPG in 3 years with a new studio at the helm. Take away some technical issues and the game is great, not 10/10 but still very enjoyable. Literally remove everything you mentioned in 2, and individual games of OT would still be lightyears ahead of Andromeda, so trying to belittle them by picking stuff out does not help your case. Its funny how some people trying to make Andromeda look less shitty by attempting to look down at ME1/2/3 and still miserably failing because even with all their issues, each individual game of original trilogy is still better than this trainwreck of a soulless and talentless game Andromeda is. Maybe instead you should try to point out what makes MEA a better game than OT, instead of nitpicking for things that makes MEA less crappy when compared to OT, then your "opinion" might get some merit and start looking constructive? Oh, sorry, I forgot - there is nothing really, except combat maybe but it will not carry the rest of the game.... Otherwise all I see is that Andromeda fanboys are willing to go to any length to defend that piece of garbage MEA is. Ironically it is probably never occurred to you that such people doing biggest disservice for the franchise quality in a long run, because they clearly show that public is willing not only accept lower standards, but also readily fight any objective critique, which ultimately only leads to reduction of quality of future games that harm everyone, including those fanboys that defend that crap, even though they are less likely to realize that. Sad really... 4. Exactly, it is a new galaxy, so writers were free from virtually all possible limitations that could be imposed by OT, while at the same time having established lore, races, relations, technology and so on, in other words - they had material to work with while not having any constraints on what to do with it. So much possibilities, and they came up with this? Really? So again, new galaxy is not excuse, quite the opposite really. As for "publisher forcing them to release" - we hear that song way too often. There are rumors that EA was actually offering BW more development time, but they assured EA that game was ready. Seeing and reading some other things about development process and priorities of Andromeda, I think that story might be rather believable. So how about stopping putting all blame on publisher, unless you can prove it with hard facts. The game could be great even with technical issues, if it had interesting characters that player would care about, good and meaningful dialogues, relatable protagonist and at least even slightly innovative story, but alas - all those things are not there, and cant be fixed with a patch, unlike technical issues. So 6/10 is best this game can hope for when it is fixed, in no small part due to new combat mechanics and more vertical gameplay. While not complete shit 1/10 material per-se, having something like Andromeda coming under BW brand makes it complete shit in the BW context, because clearly it is lowliest of the low compared to other BW games, and certainly nobody expected new Mass Effect game to turn out that way.
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2017 13:33:32 GMT
Just keep telling yourself that MEA is no worse than the OT. It'll be like a race. Who can keep up the same line of bullshit the longest, only there will be no one here to congratulate you the winner. And you keep telling yourself that people who feel differently than you do, are somehow inferior or liar as or whatever. That will get you far. I'm not stating that anyone that feels differently than I do is inferior or a liar. I'm stating that you're living in a bubble. Please don't put words in my mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:38:14 GMT
And you keep telling yourself that people who feel differently than you do, are somehow inferior or liar as or whatever. That will get you far. I'm not stating that anyone that feels differently than I do is inferior or a liar. I'm stating that you're living in a bubble. Please don't put words in my mouth. Living in a bubble = lies to him or herself. Because you did not like the game, nobody could have possibly sincerely liked the game, therefore you construct some reason for them to say something that you disagree with. It cannot be as simple as they actually liked what you did not like. Internet is overflowing with comments of that nature because empathy and letting others express a polar opinion without contesting it is hard.
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2017 13:43:45 GMT
Right.
Because everything is subjective, and you are the only one with an objective viewpoint. OhhhHHHhhhhhh. If that isn't some of the most elitist bullshit I've ever heard, then I don't what is. Ya know. You cannot even let it enter into your bubble that other people don't like the game.
"I don't know what people are bitching about. I loved the game!!! Herpe derp!" I mean, tell that I'm wrong. Tell me that I might have a point.
You can't, can you?
You are living in a bubble. At least accept that, and I'll let you go on about your life.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 13, 2017 13:44:52 GMT
Just keep telling yourself that MEA is no worse than the OT. It'll be like a race. Who can keep up the same line of bullshit the longest, only there will be no one here to congratulate you the winner. All depends what one is looking for in the game I guess. I find MEA better than most of the trilogy. ME2 was a clusterfuck, it dumped all the build up, story, and characters of the first game in favor of a series of short daddy issues stories loosely tied together by a pretext that is never really expanded upon. ME3 was far weaker than it should of been as the ending of a trilogy because of the fact that the trilogy was missing its entire second chapter. It was too rushed story wise and for me just couldn't overcome all the damage ME2 did. Then of course the endings... MEA tried very hard to be a reboot of ME1 with varying degrees of success. I personally find it better than ME2/3 but ME1 was lightning in a bottle, pretty hard if not impossible to recapture those feelings since it was such a unique game for me at that time. Even so ME1's story was just presented much better, it had more nuance and flair. MEA just feels watered down. Autumn explains it better than me here: bsn.boards.net/post/552957/thread
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Post by timebean on Apr 13, 2017 13:44:54 GMT
*snip* Last but not least, ppl seriously need to stop trying to weasel Andromeda into better light by repeating that notwithstanding argument that MEA is supposedly a first game, because it is not. It had 3 previous game that did pretty much all the heavy stuff in establishing game setting, but at the same time moving to new galaxy provided developers with a huge margin of creative freedom and ability to insert new stuff into the game, luxury that original trilogy did not had. In other worlds - MEA devs "only" task was writing a new story and characters while having most assets already developed and established, and still they failed miserably even in this "luxurious" development environment. So pleas - please stop that mindless chanting about MEA being the first game and thus should be excused, because it is not. What it is is a very poor work of writing combined with unpolished technical part that got released in what essentially is a beta quality, at a price of a full AAA game. There is literally no excuse for that, so stop trying to excuse MEA with such nonsense Agree with the bolded 100% MEA is the 4th game, because it did not need to do the heavy lifting of the 1st game, which is to introduce all the species with their respective backgrounds, build the word, immerse the players into that world, etc. If they were attempting a soft reboot, then they failed miserably at introducing all the Milky Way Species. If they were attempting a sequel, then the story and mechanics of the story are nowhere near as good as the trilogy. Either it is a new game, and thus they MUST do some world-building, or it is a sequel, in which they SHOULD provide a captivating story with interesting new characters. They do neither here successfully. The angara were basically human, and nowhere near as engaging as any of the newly introduced races from ME1. The remnant are machines without any interesting mystery about their motivations (unlike, say, the geth from ME1). They are just guardians of the leftover crap of a potentially very interesting race that you do not meet in this game. And then enemy, the Kett, could be interesting...but our glimpses into their society is really minimal and mostly focused on the crap power-hungry archon. I'm not even going to go into how they completely watered down the milky way races, as that has been done much better in other threads. Now...this does not mean that the next game will crap as well. Maybe they will pull it together and really give us something special, a story that pulls together these bland species and makes for an amazing adventure. It is totally possible. I'll give them that chance, most likely. MEA was not terrible...it was just...meh. And it is hard for folks to swallow meh after MET. Just my opinion, totally subjective.
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Post by myalzalean on Apr 13, 2017 13:51:53 GMT
Literally remove everything you mentioned in 2, and individual games of OT would still be lightyears ahead of Andromeda, so trying to belittle them by picking stuff out does not help your case. Its funny how some people trying to make Andromeda look less shitty by attempting to look down at ME1/2/3 and still miserably failing because even with all their issues, each individual game of original trilogy is still better than this trainwreck of a soulless and talentless game Andromeda is. Out of the 249 people who voted in a poll on these forums ranking the mass effect games only 27.31% (68 votes) ranked it as the worst game in the franchise. 16.47% (41 votes) ranked it as the best of the four and a leading 37.35% (93 votes) ranked it as the second best. Out of the 249 people who voted on the poll over half (134 votes) voted MEA as their first or second favorite game out of the franchise (I voted MEA as my 2nd favorite) So does that make over half of us Bioware fangirls/fanboys/apologists or is the less than one third just hating on the game? I mean if I'm supposed to live and die by the reviews and take other people's negative opinion of the game as gospel then this poll must mean something, right? Oh, and this poll was pretty much voted on BEFORE patch 1.05
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:54:06 GMT
I will not credit anyone, no matter how aggressively or inflammatory or trap-like they put it, that liking all four Mass Effect games is impossible.
I like all four games. They are different, yet enjoyable, and were fun to play.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 13, 2017 13:58:28 GMT
I will not credit anyone, no matter how aggressively or inflammatory or trap-like they put it, that liking all four Mass Effect games is impossible. I like all four games. They are different, yet enjoyable, and were fun to play. For me right now it is about looking forward. MEA isn't as good as ME1, but if they clean up their technical issues and some of the bad design decisions MEA2/3 has the potential to be far better than ME2/3 and a better trilogy (if they go that route) overall. Assuming of course they don't repeat their mistakes of the OT.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2017 13:59:57 GMT
I actually like this game more than 2 for a few reasons. I prefer Ryder over Shepard, I actually enjoy the Kett/Archon plot more than the Collectors. I think that each chapter in the trilogy is a great game, but ME2 is an odd duck for me in that there are some glaring issues for me that get exponentially worse the more I think about them. It then took a stellar endgame and made it intensely stupid. It's why it's the one game in the trilogy that I replay the least.
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2017 14:04:39 GMT
I will not credit anyone, no matter how aggressively or inflammatory or trap-like they put it, that liking all four Mass Effect games is impossible. I like all four games. They are different, yet enjoyable, and were fun to play. I'm not stating that either. Regardless, at least acknowledge the problems that are in the game. Don't simply whitewash over them. I'll agree 100% that the Lazarus project was space magic. But they spent some time on it too. That first entire cutscene with the cells, the heart starting to beat again, the entire intro to the game. They massaged in the magic, rather than this game. It wasn't just, "Yah, hi, I'm a scientist, and don't ask me how it works. I flew up here on a wing and a prayer, hoping that someone else's calculations could be right. And I don't even have the decency to be angry that they weren't. Okay, bye." Wait, wat? What just happened?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 14:09:36 GMT
I will not credit anyone, no matter how aggressively or inflammatory or trap-like they put it, that liking all four Mass Effect games is impossible. I like all four games. They are different, yet enjoyable, and were fun to play. For me right now it is about looking forward. MEA isn't as good as ME1, but if they clean up their technical issues and some of the bad design decisions MEA2/3 has the potential to be far better than ME2/3 and a better trilogy (if they go that route) overall. Assuming of course they don't repeat their mistakes of the OT. What I see is a change of the major philosophical theme from the coming of Apocalypse to the search for the Promissed Land. I do not know if the next game will return to the Appocalypse, continue with the search for Paradize or tap into another major mythological idea, skirted by the game's so far, like the Goal of Existence, or the difference between real or illusory. Technical delivery and backdrops were sufficient and entertaining for me in all four games, with each one having a special something that made it all to stand out. In ME1 it was meeting the Shepard and the world; in ME2 it was the intensely personal focus; in me3 it was the epic scale of apocalypse; in MEA it was young hopefulness of the theme. I can't tell you how much I adored that idea of the quest for the Kingdom of Prester John...
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 13, 2017 14:10:14 GMT
Literally remove everything you mentioned in 2, and individual games of OT would still be lightyears ahead of Andromeda, so trying to belittle them by picking stuff out does not help your case. Its funny how some people trying to make Andromeda look less shitty by attempting to look down at ME1/2/3 and still miserably failing because even with all their issues, each individual game of original trilogy is still better than this trainwreck of a soulless and talentless game Andromeda is. Out of the 249 people who voted in a poll on these forums ranking the mass effect games only 27.31% (68 votes) ranked it as the worst game in the franchise. 16.47% (41 votes) ranked it as the best of the four and a leading 37.35% (93 votes) ranked it as the second best. Out of the 249 people who voted on the poll over half (134 votes) voted MEA as their first or second favorite game out of the franchise (I voted MEA as my 2nd favorite) So does that make over half of us Bioware fangirls/fanboys/apologists or is the less than one third just hating on the game?I mean if I'm supposed to live and die by the reviews and take other people's negative opinion of the game as gospel then this poll must mean something, right? Oh, and this poll was pretty much voted on BEFORE patch 1.05 Yes, apparently it does, especially after you decided to brand everyone who got dissapointed with MEA, and for good reason by the way, as haters. People that criticize the game usually do it in construtive matter, clearly pointing out whats wrong with Andromeda in the context of ME franchise and BW rpgs in general, pointing out that MEA lost all things that made virtually all BW games strong, while failing to introduce something to make up for it (and honestly, this isnt really a good way to do things either, because of expectations. If one buys BW game, it is fair to assume that it will be a descent RPG or Action-RPG with very interesting characters and well written dialogues, something that BW always did. If one wants a mindless shooter, then he would not search it in Bioware game in the first place. That is double-true in the context of established franchises). On the other hand,all people that sing praises to MEA do are refusing to acknowledge obvious MEA drawbacks, weaseling excuses for it, and as of recent popular trend - talk OT down in attempt to make MEA not look so bad when comparing it with any single game of original trilogy. In other words, I am sorry to disappoint you but that poll of yours does not in any way proves that Andromeda is a good game, only that there is higher concentration of fanboys that voted on it.
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Post by myalzalean on Apr 13, 2017 14:10:59 GMT
I will not credit anyone, no matter how aggressively or inflammatory or trap-like they put it, that liking all four Mass Effect games is impossible. I like all four games. They are different, yet enjoyable, and were fun to play. I'm not stating that either. Regardless, at least acknowledge the problems that are in the game. Don't simply whitewash over them. I'll agree 100% that the Lazarus project was space magic. But they spent some time on it too. That first entire cutscene with the cells, the heart starting to beat again, the entire intro to the game. They massaged in the magic, rather than this game. It wasn't just, "Yah, hi, I'm a scientist, and don't ask me how it works. Okay, bye." Wait, wat? What just happened? Ha, that reminds me how that whole Lazarus Project opening cutscene reminds me of the opening of that 70's TV show The Six Million Dollar Man. I completely forgot do a Steven or Austin Shepard MET playthrough.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 13, 2017 14:17:30 GMT
On the other hand,all people that sing praises to MEA do are refusing to acknowledge obvious MEA drawbacks, weaseling excuses for it, and as of recent popular trend - talk OT down in attempt to make MEA not look so bad when comparing it with any single game of original trilogy. That's not true though is it. Plenty of people (myself included) point out issues in the game and what could be done better (and is some cases should have been done better). Liking the games does not mean you are blind to its flaws- however what another trend is, is people saying the trilogy is better than it was and ignoring the faults within them. A valid criticism of ME:A is that uses too much of the milkyway species and plays it safe with both the plot and the design. However you can bet your life if they hadn't they would be criticised for abandoning all the elements that made up the original games.
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Post by empirex on Apr 13, 2017 14:20:18 GMT
I will not credit anyone, no matter how aggressively or inflammatory or trap-like they put it, that liking all four Mass Effect games is impossible. I like all four games. They are different, yet enjoyable, and were fun to play. I'm not stating that either. Regardless, at least acknowledge the problems that are in the game. Don't simply whitewash over them. He hasn't? On this thread, he is disagreeing with the false assumption that people are somehow deluding themselves for liking Andromeda more. He disagrees that it's a race on "who can keep up the same line of bullshit the longest, only there will be no one here to congratulate you the winner" or that "I'm living in a bubble." Some people liked Andromeda better than Mass Effect 3 or 2 or 1. My friend enjoys Fallout 4 more than New Vegas. He loves the crafting and characters. I argue that the writing of New Vegas is fucking superior and has way more role-playing despite some flaws. I don't think him as delusional. He simply likes and appreciate elements that I don't look for in a video game and vice versa. It's a game. It shouldn't boggle the mind that some people simply was more entertained with Andromeda than the OT. It's not "living in a bubble" when people enjoy something and you don't. I don't think people are delusional for thinking that Christopher Nolan is best director of the last decade even though I completely disagree. Also judging from the nature of most threads on this forum, I think it is laughable that people are thinking the fanbase as a whole is somehow even remotely overly positive. Don't worry about people loving this game too much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 14:20:40 GMT
On the other hand,all people that sing praises to MEA do are refusing to acknowledge obvious MEA drawbacks, weaseling excuses for it, and as of recent popular trend - talk OT down in attempt to make MEA not look so bad when comparing it with any single game of original trilogy. That's not true though is it. Plenty of people (myself included) point out issues in the game and what could be done better (and is some cases should have been done better). Liking the games does not mean you are blind to its flaws- however what other a trend is people saying the trilogy so better than it was and ignoring the faults within that. A valid criticism of ME:A is that uses to much of the milkyway species and plays it safe with both the plot and the design. However you can bet your life if they hadn't they would be criticised for abandoning all the elements that made up the original games. Heh, I was just about to say that there is a sizeable portion of the players that did not like it that only 4 council species were present on the Nexus, but you covered it with the last sentence. It shows perfectly how both criticisms are "valid" even if they are polar opposites. I bet you anything that every player misses some thing or another in the game, and it is the same for each and every game ever made.
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Post by kino on Apr 13, 2017 14:28:05 GMT
I agree that MEA is a groundwork game, setting up exposition for further games. That being said, I think it's a damn good game on it's own merits. While the story wasn't mind blowingly original it was still a very good story and well told.
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2017 14:28:46 GMT
I'm not stating that either. Regardless, at least acknowledge the problems that are in the game. Don't simply whitewash over them. He hasn't? On this thread, he is disagreeing with the false assumption that people are somehow deluding themselves for liking Andromeda more or a race on "who can keep up the same line of bullshit the longest, only there will be no one here to congratulate you the winner" or that "I'm living in a bubble." Some people liked Andromeda better than Mass Effect 3 or 2 or 1. My friend enjoys Fallout 4 more than New Vegas. He loves the crafting and characters. I argue that the writing of New Vegas is fucking superior and has way more role-playing despite some flaws. I don't think him as delusional. He simply likes and appreciate elements that I don't look for in a video game and vice versa. Right, and how many people that liked FO pre-4 would you get today to argue with him? My best answer would be a couple, but nothing long term. This game, the second best reviews I've seen are, "The game is meh. Not great, not bad. Just meh." The same with this game. The "haters" will move on. Only leaving you handful of defenders.
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Post by myalzalean on Apr 13, 2017 14:30:11 GMT
Yes, apparently it does, especially after you decided to brand everyone who got dissapointed with MEA, and for good reason by the way, as haters. People that criticize the game usually do it in construtive matter, clearly pointing out whats wrong with Andromeda in the context of ME franchise and BW rpgs in general, pointing out that MEA lost all things that made virtually all BW games strong, while failing to introduce something to make up for it (and honestly, this isnt really a good way to do things either, because of expectations. If one buys BW game, it is fair to assume that it will be a descent RPG or Action-RPG with very interesting characters and well written dialogues, something that BW always did. If one wants a mindless shooter, then he would not search it in Bioware game in the first place. That is double-true in the context of established franchises). On the other hand,all people that sing praises to MEA do are refusing to acknowledge obvious MEA drawbacks, weaseling excuses for it, and as of recent popular trend - talk OT down in attempt to make MEA not look so bad when comparing it with any single game of original trilogy. In other words, I am sorry to disappoint you but that poll of yours does not in any way proves that Andromeda is a good game, only that there is higher concentration of fanboys. Well to be honest I didn't call you a hater I was just commenting on how you seem to be hating on the game. Also, in the post I quoted you were the one who, once again used, the label fanboy. I never once said the poll proves it is a good game, it just indicates that most people who voted in the poll do not consider MEA to be the worst game in the franchise, which is contrary to your opinion. If you go back and take a look at the wording you use: garbage, soulless, talent-less, train wreck of a game, and compare it to how people who like the game describe it: good, fun, enjoyable, and yes even flawed, I think you will see a very stark contrast. It is not like people who enjoy the game are saying it is by far the best game ever and redefines the mass effect franchise. No one is claiming Bioware is staffed with magical writing unicorns that shits skittles, piss rainbows, and can do no wrong. It just seems that our level of praise for the game is not in proportion with your level of negativity. Many of us who enjoy the game even talk about things we don't like and would like to see improved, but you seem incapable of at least giving us that much credit.
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