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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 2:10:10 GMT
As a vet myself (Appeal to authority logical fallacy FTW!) there are BOTH paragon and renegade statements or stances that are just fucking ridiculous in the original trilogy. Some of them on the same decision! FFS, on Noveria, with the Rachni Queen, would a responsible soldier kill the queen or release her? I would say NEITHER. They'd leave it up to higher authority, and please god, PLEASE don't tell me that Shepard is the high authority. No, he/she shouldn't have the authority to commit what amounts to genocide or release a potentially horrific enemy back to rebuild. That's a decision for the council as a whole, not the guy with the boots on the ground. Being in the moment and the situation at hand gives you a unique perspective on events as they unfold that no politician could ever truly understand, but it also narrows your field of view. There are many MANY factors that could be at play that the guy on the ground just can't possibly know about. I would say more renegade viewpoints fall into the same "ridiculous" category than Paragon, but holy hell, alot of the "good" options weren't much better. A SPECTRE can't fall back on the higher ups. Their job is to make the call so that the council doesn't have to. A soldier is the opposite. Bullshit. A Spectre isn't REQUIRED to fall back on council advice. Nothing says they're UNABLE to. In this kind of situation, with potentially terrible options on both sides, this is EXACTLY the kind of call a smart Spectre would shift back to the council. Just like the rest of the actions taken on Noveria (however you want to deal with Anoleis) is the exact kind of call a Spectre would make on the ground. (hypothetical) Find out a batarian military site is creating bio weapons? No council call needed! Go take it out. Batarians massing for an invasion of some sort? CALL THE COUNCIL!
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 15, 2017 2:13:35 GMT
Thanks for the info. Not that I have any idea what ties this stupid stuff to your conversation choice, in-world. I wonder, though: do your choices often influence autodialogue? Like in DA2? Yes. I did my first playthrough as a left-sided Scott and now I'm doing my second as right-sided Sara, and I've noticed subtle differences in the auto-dialogue. Sara's...less of a dumb jackass than her brother (although I love him for being a big dumb jackass) I played intelligent Sara first and now I'm starting a dumb Scott playthrough.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 2:16:47 GMT
A SPECTRE can't fall back on the higher ups. Their job is to make the call so that the council doesn't have to. A soldier is the opposite. Bullshit. A Spectre isn't REQUIRED to fall back on council advice. Nothing says they're UNABLE to. In this kind of situation, with potentially terrible options on both sides, this is EXACTLY the kind of call a smart Spectre would shift back to the council. Just like the rest of the actions taken on Noveria (however you want to deal with Anoleis) is the exact kind of call a Spectre would make on the ground. (hypothetical) Find out a batarian military site is creating bio weapons? No council call needed! Go take it out. Batarians massing for an invasion of some sort? CALL THE COUNCIL! Paraphrasing. Council: We cannot tell you what to do only give the information. What you do with it is up to you. - Vidcom Normandy SR1. The council doesn't want SPECTREs who call them up and ask them what to do. They have C-Sec and the Turian Military for that.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 15, 2017 2:21:35 GMT
A SPECTRE can't fall back on the higher ups. Their job is to make the call so that the council doesn't have to. A soldier is the opposite. Bullshit. A Spectre isn't REQUIRED to fall back on council advice. Nothing says they're UNABLE to. In this kind of situation, with potentially terrible options on both sides, this is EXACTLY the kind of call a smart Spectre would shift back to the council. Just like the rest of the actions taken on Noveria (however you want to deal with Anoleis) is the exact kind of call a Spectre would make on the ground. (hypothetical) Find out a batarian military site is creating bio weapons? No council call needed! Go take it out. Batarians massing for an invasion of some sort? CALL THE COUNCIL! It would be smart. Unfortunately it wouldn't be as entertaining and it would take power away from the player. Rule of Cool is a big thing in MET...
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 2:23:16 GMT
Bullshit. A Spectre isn't REQUIRED to fall back on council advice. Nothing says they're UNABLE to. In this kind of situation, with potentially terrible options on both sides, this is EXACTLY the kind of call a smart Spectre would shift back to the council. Just like the rest of the actions taken on Noveria (however you want to deal with Anoleis) is the exact kind of call a Spectre would make on the ground. (hypothetical) Find out a batarian military site is creating bio weapons? No council call needed! Go take it out. Batarians massing for an invasion of some sort? CALL THE COUNCIL! Paraphrasing. Council: We cannot tell you what to do only give the information. What you do with it is up to you. - Vidcom Normandy SR1. The council doesn't want SPECTREs who call them up and ask them what to do. They have C-Sec and the Turian Military for that. Which, again, is stupid writing. And people call the ME:A's writing bad. Sheesh. A government body that has a highly skilled, black ops team at their disposal with total power and authority....and they don't want to listen to the advice or information given by said team. Yeah, whoever thought THAT was a realistic, good idea should have been slapped. My comments are in reference to how things SHOULD work, not necessarily how they were presented in the game. Don't get me wrong, I loved ME1. ME2 and ME3 I had some major problems with that I really couldn't put aside, but they too were some of my favorite games in the last 10 years or so. Doesn't mean I can't call 'em out on stupidity when it happens.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 15, 2017 2:24:15 GMT
It would be smart. Unfortunately it wouldn't be as entertaining and it would take power away from the player. Rule of Cool is a big thing in MET... Maybe so, but I agree that I would have left the decision up to the council. I would also remove the decision for who to make as councilor and if the council dies or not.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 2:25:29 GMT
Bullshit. A Spectre isn't REQUIRED to fall back on council advice. Nothing says they're UNABLE to. In this kind of situation, with potentially terrible options on both sides, this is EXACTLY the kind of call a smart Spectre would shift back to the council. Just like the rest of the actions taken on Noveria (however you want to deal with Anoleis) is the exact kind of call a Spectre would make on the ground. (hypothetical) Find out a batarian military site is creating bio weapons? No council call needed! Go take it out. Batarians massing for an invasion of some sort? CALL THE COUNCIL! It would be smart. Unfortunately it wouldn't be as entertaining and it would take power away from the player. Rule of Cool is a big thing in MET... Oh, I agree. And to a large extent, I'm ok with Rule of Cool. I just know bullshit when I see it. I just wish Bioware would put more situations in games that allow for Rule of Cool, but also make some sort of logical sense, at least internally. I can suspend disbelief pretty damn far to enjoy a game, but BW has a knack for kicking things JUST a hair over that line from time to time.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 2:31:29 GMT
Paraphrasing. Council: We cannot tell you what to do only give the information. What you do with it is up to you. - Vidcom Normandy SR1. The council doesn't want SPECTREs who call them up and ask them what to do. They have C-Sec and the Turian Military for that. Which, again, is stupid writing. And people call the ME:A's writing bad. Sheesh. A government body that has a highly skilled, black ops team at their disposal with total power and authority....and they don't want to listen to the advice or information given by said team. Yeah, whoever thought THAT was a realistic, good idea should have been slapped. My comments are in reference to how things SHOULD work, not necessarily how they were presented in the game. Don't get me wrong, I loved ME1, ME2 and ME3 I had some major problems with that I really couldn't put aside, but they two were some of my favorite games in the last 10 years or so. Doesn't mean I can't call 'em out on stupidity when it happens. Well if they had listened, Citadel Space would have been at war with ME1 Terminus systems. Which at that point were a series of empires and planetwide criminal havens run by mercs, gangs, pirates and the Batarian Hegemony. Imagine if Sloane and Aria lived nextdoor to each other and had their own warships and neighbours in the same boat who were itching for a fight. And all the Krogan you could afford to hire to fight for you. At that point in the series it made sense not to start a war you might lose. In terms of writing a story that allowed you to end the Reaper threat without starting a galactic wide war in the process was a good thing. The only part that was especially badly written was Saren needing the conduit. Sovereign could have just attacked from the beginning of the game.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 15, 2017 2:43:53 GMT
Shepard was shaped by my decisions, Ryder has one personality and I just choose with what emotion he/she will answer. Role playing wise it's weak. As a character Ryder is fine, but it's not what an RPG is about. I think this is where I'm at, too. I'm feeling a lack of ability to actually RP Ryder. I mean, I could play a largely Paragon Shepard and still push a merc out a window in Dantius Towers. That would get me street cred with Jack but not generally affect Shepard being a Paragon. But if I make a lot of similar decisions than I start to shift toward Renegade and it has at least some impact on the game. Ryder is basically a nice person. Which is fine, because I like playing nice, but sometimes I like to be a jerk or make a rogue decision.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 2:48:14 GMT
Which, again, is stupid writing. And people call the ME:A's writing bad. Sheesh. A government body that has a highly skilled, black ops team at their disposal with total power and authority....and they don't want to listen to the advice or information given by said team. Yeah, whoever thought THAT was a realistic, good idea should have been slapped. My comments are in reference to how things SHOULD work, not necessarily how they were presented in the game. Don't get me wrong, I loved ME1, ME2 and ME3 I had some major problems with that I really couldn't put aside, but they two were some of my favorite games in the last 10 years or so. Doesn't mean I can't call 'em out on stupidity when it happens. Well if they had listened, Citadel Space would have been at war with ME1 Terminus systems. Which at that point were a series of empires and planetwide criminal havens run by mercs, gangs, pirates and the Batarian Hegemony. Imagine if Sloane and Aria lived nextdoor to each other and had their own warships and neighbours in the same boat who were itching for a fight. And all the Krogan you could afford to hire to fight for you. At that point in the series it made sense not to start a war you might lose. In terms of writing a story that allowed you to end the Reaper threat without starting a galactic wide war in the process was a good thing. The only part that was especially badly written was Saren needing the conduit. Sovereign could have just attacked from the beginning of the game. .... Um... Ok... I'm not sure exactly how telling the council that the Rachni Queen was still alive on Noveria, and letting them make a call on how to deal with the situation could have gotten us into a war with the Terminus systems.... Or how "I tell you what you need to know, you tell me what to do but I'm a Spectre and black ops, so any and all activities could be disavowed..." starts a war with the Terminus systems... But whatever dude. You do you.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 15, 2017 2:48:43 GMT
....which you wouldn't know from Shepard's lines. Shepard's prevalent tone suggests experience, but his lines often suggest an 80-IQ private. Meanwhile Ryder is inexperienced, and that shows in her prevalent tone and you can't opt out of it, but she's mentally more mature than her inexperience would suggest. Well, as long as you don't attempt to romance Suvi. Sweet Ieldra I disagree with you I felt that Ryder was very immature in her behavior while Shepard was more mature. The whole crew in mea felt very teenage like to me compared to the other Mass Effect games. Which is actually fine because they're explorers not soldiers. The mindset is different, even if some (like Ryder) have a military background. They're largely a group of 20-somethings, with a few older individuals (Drack), but otherwise acting like young people often act.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 2:53:34 GMT
Well if they had listened, Citadel Space would have been at war with ME1 Terminus systems. Which at that point were a series of empires and planetwide criminal havens run by mercs, gangs, pirates and the Batarian Hegemony. Imagine if Sloane and Aria lived nextdoor to each other and had their own warships and neighbours in the same boat who were itching for a fight. And all the Krogan you could afford to hire to fight for you. At that point in the series it made sense not to start a war you might lose. In terms of writing a story that allowed you to end the Reaper threat without starting a galactic wide war in the process was a good thing. The only part that was especially badly written was Saren needing the conduit. Sovereign could have just attacked from the beginning of the game. .... Um... Ok... I'm not sure exactly how telling the council that the Rachni Queen was still alive on Noveria, and letting them make a call on how to deal with the situation could have gotten us into a war with the Terminus systems.... Or how "I tell you what you need to know, you tell me what to do but I'm a Spectre and black ops, so any and all activities could be disavowed..." starts a war with the Terminus systems... But whatever dude. You do you. oh you meant the queen. I thought I'd addressed that. I go back to my earlier comment theres no point in being a SPECTRE if you won't make the call. The first SPECTRE was a salarian who held civilians hostage and put them in danger to draw out a criminal and kill him. The council rewarded him by starting the SPECTREs tp continue in that tradition. So a paragon SPECTRE actually makes less sense.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 3:01:10 GMT
.... Um... Ok... I'm not sure exactly how telling the council that the Rachni Queen was still alive on Noveria, and letting them make a call on how to deal with the situation could have gotten us into a war with the Terminus systems.... Or how "I tell you what you need to know, you tell me what to do but I'm a Spectre and black ops, so any and all activities could be disavowed..." starts a war with the Terminus systems... But whatever dude. You do you. oh you meant the queen. I thought I'd addressed that. I go back to my earlier comment theres no point in being a SPECTRE if you won't make the call. The first SPECTRE was a salarian who held civilians hostage and put them in danger to draw out a criminal and kill him. The council rewarded him by starting the SPECTREs tp continue in that tradition. So a paragon SPECTRE actually makes less sense. ... So. You apparently missed the part where I said there are many situations where a Spectre would not only have the right, but the duty to take the actions he/she sees fit given the current information. And that there are alot of Paragon choices that are dumb AF. We differ on the idea that EVERY situation should be just left to the Spectre. That's just begging for some spectre to go rogue and attack an allied colony....oh. Wait. THAT HAPPENED. (yes, I know, Saren was indoctrinated. Still could happen without more oversight, indoctrination aside.)
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 3:06:20 GMT
Ryder is also more badass than Shepard given that he\she didn't give 2 shits about his father dying and goes straight to cracking jokes while fighting very bad Kett. No nervous system whatsoever, real space-psycho! He/she were not close with his/her dad but...you mess with their sibling it's clear you better run.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 3:07:14 GMT
"I don't think I was in school when they taught quantum... embezzelment... communism." Yup, Ryder is simply dripping with wisdom and intelligence. because humor is not a thinking.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 3:08:17 GMT
Um ok sure ... Ryder can't even figure out how to take a leak without SAM giving him full instructions. some one did not finish the game...
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 15, 2017 3:36:12 GMT
oh you meant the queen. I thought I'd addressed that. I go back to my earlier comment theres no point in being a SPECTRE if you won't make the call. The first SPECTRE was a salarian who held civilians hostage and put them in danger to draw out a criminal and kill him. The council rewarded him by starting the SPECTREs tp continue in that tradition. So a paragon SPECTRE actually makes less sense. Pure Paragon Spectre makes less sense, but pure Renegade Spectre gets you someone like Saren. By all accounts, he was indiscriminate about who he killed. Just because you can kill people doesn't mean you have to. I think knowing when to exercise your authority is as important as when not to use it.
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Post by vallixas on Apr 15, 2017 4:12:14 GMT
Ryder, is one of the few things I like about this game. Male Ryder that is. I think I might prefer Femshep over FemRyder though. I've heard some of FemRyders dialogue is really corny compared to MaleRyder.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 4:12:41 GMT
oh you meant the queen. I thought I'd addressed that. I go back to my earlier comment theres no point in being a SPECTRE if you won't make the call. The first SPECTRE was a salarian who held civilians hostage and put them in danger to draw out a criminal and kill him. The council rewarded him by starting the SPECTREs tp continue in that tradition. So a paragon SPECTRE actually makes less sense. ... So. You apparently missed the part where I said there are many situations where a Spectre would not only have the right, but the duty to take the actions he/she sees fit given the current information. And that there are alot of Paragon choices that are dumb AF. We differ on the idea that EVERY situation should be just left to the Spectre. That's just begging for some spectre to go rogue and attack an allied colony....oh. Wait. THAT HAPPENED. (yes, I know, Saren was indoctrinated. Still could happen without more oversight, indoctrination aside.) I didnt miss anything, I read it. (You apparently missed the entire point of ME1) I pointed you to the parts in the trilogy proving you wrong. You seem to think Shepard was a do gooder grunt taking orders from the council and deferring to their Judgement. He was picked to be the exact opposite. Like it or lump it he's not a soldier. Hes proven himself more than that and has been selected to be more than that.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 4:57:01 GMT
... So. You apparently missed the part where I said there are many situations where a Spectre would not only have the right, but the duty to take the actions he/she sees fit given the current information. And that there are alot of Paragon choices that are dumb AF. We differ on the idea that EVERY situation should be just left to the Spectre. That's just begging for some spectre to go rogue and attack an allied colony....oh. Wait. THAT HAPPENED. (yes, I know, Saren was indoctrinated. Still could happen without more oversight, indoctrination aside.) I didnt miss anything, I read it. (You apparently missed the entire point of ME1) I pointed you to the parts in the trilogy proving you wrong. You seem to think Shepard was a do gooder grunt taking orders from the council and deferring to their Judgement. He was picked to be the exact opposite. Like it or lump it he's not a soldier. Hes proven himself more than that and has been selected to be more than that. .... And again you've missed my point. Never did I say that Shepard was a do gooder grunt taking orders from the council and deferring to their judgement. Nor did I say that's the way it should be. I said the way it was presented in the original game was stupid and I gave reasons why I thought that. Many of the paragon AND renegade choices were either completely dumb from a realistic idea of what a Spec Ops type of character should be, or were just over the top. Either TOO idealistic and rainbows-and-sunshine or TOO much like a homicidal maniac. Which is why I didn't like the P/R system in the MET. Please note, I'm quibbling over details here, and those games were very good games, and definitely within my top 5 or 10 all time. ME:A has it's issues. I'm not gonna pretend otherwise. It's got issues even with the things I prefer over the MET. The conversational system we have in ME:A is an improvement, in my opinion, since Ryder can choose different options without sounding like a schizophrenic idiot at times, which is what happened to Shepard if you chose Paragon one choice and Renegade another. BOTH extremes were stupid in many places. The system in ME:A needs work in my opinion, we should have some tougher, in your face kinda dialogue that still fits within the current system, but it's quite a ways ahead of the P/R system in the MET, in my opinion. And just to clarify my stance on ME1 a little bit more, since you still don't seem to get it. Situations like on Noveria with the Queen were dumb from BOTH paragon AND renegade sides. That's the kind of decision that SHOULD have been handed off to the council. Dealing with Anoleis to leave and go search the rest of Noveria ISN'T the kind of decision you foist off on the council. I'm not going to go through and point out every conceivable situation where a Spectre should defer to the council's judgement, because Spectres DO have very broad leeway to do things without the council's involvement. But a Spectre shouldn't be able to do ANYTHING (edit: anything they want) without council oversight. That's just a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by unwanted on Apr 15, 2017 5:09:01 GMT
Yeah,yeah! The Op wouldn't be calling Shep stupid if he/she were alive. If Shep was still with us the OP would be Sheps kiss arse.
If Ryder is so with it how come she/he never says what it says in the line of conversation you have selected? How come every option you select in the dialogue has the same outcome? She/he has no opinions, nor choices other than the one Bioware want you to make.
Shep was the pure rebel. Shepard was the ROCK on which Mass Effect stands.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 15, 2017 5:14:33 GMT
Yeah,yeah! The Op wouldn't be calling Shep stupid if he/she were alive. If Shep was still with us the OP would be Sheps kiss arse. The OP's been criticizing Shep since long before Andromeda existed.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 7:07:11 GMT
Yeah,yeah! The Op wouldn't be calling Shep stupid if he/she were alive. If Shep was still with us the OP would be Sheps kiss arse. If Ryder is so with it how come she/he never says what it says in the line of conversation you have selected? How come every option you select in the dialogue has the same outcome? She/he has no opinions, nor choices other than the one Bioware want you to make. Shep was the pure rebel. Shepard was the ROCK on which Mass Effect stands.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 15, 2017 7:20:00 GMT
Paraphrasing. Council: We cannot tell you what to do only give the information. What you do with it is up to you. - Vidcom Normandy SR1. The council doesn't want SPECTREs who call them up and ask them what to do. They have C-Sec and the Turian Military for that. Which, again, is stupid writing. And people call the ME:A's writing bad. Sheesh. A government body that has a highly skilled, black ops team at their disposal with total power and authority....and they don't want to listen to the advice or information given by said team. Yeah, whoever thought THAT was a realistic, good idea should have been slapped. My comments are in reference to how things SHOULD work, not necessarily how they were presented in the game. Don't get me wrong, I loved ME1. ME2 and ME3 I had some major problems with that I really couldn't put aside, but they too were some of my favorite games in the last 10 years or so. Doesn't mean I can't call 'em out on stupidity when it happens. If I remember correctly neither council nor specters were respected as an authority on Noveria. If Shepard would leave Rachni alive he would risk someone else will take her, including Saren. But yeah, "the rool of cool" is certainly a factor too.
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Post by Ieldra on Apr 15, 2017 7:29:44 GMT
Yes. I did my first playthrough as a left-sided Scott and now I'm doing my second as right-sided Sara, and I've noticed subtle differences in the auto-dialogue. Sara's...less of a dumb jackass than her brother (although I love him for being a big dumb jackass) I played intelligent Sara first and now I'm starting a dumb Scott playthrough. That's exactly what I meant. You have the choice: you can play intelligent Sara, in spite of a dumb autodialogue line here or there. You couldn't play intelligent Shepard.
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