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Post by Ahriman on Apr 15, 2017 0:00:42 GMT
Eh? All are trendy "morally grey". What were you answering to? You asked for examples of choices between altruistic/idealistic vs. pragmatic/cynical options. Do you need them color coded? And all these have nothing to do with pragmatism/idealism/whatever. Simple choice of preference without idea behind it.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 0:12:14 GMT
Shepard was shaped by my decisions, Ryder has one personality and I just choose with what emotion he/she will answer. Role playing wise it's weak. As a character Ryder is fine, but it's not what an RPG is about. this. Ryder is a good time Character for 12 year olds. Shepard is fully able to kick ass if you want him too. or be diplomatic if you don't. Ryder has one one trick and its called fetch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 0:19:33 GMT
That problem has existed as long as they've used paraphrases with a dialogue wheel. DA2's Hawke was my first experience with it, and I remember how frustrating it was at times. I've since become accustomed to it. That's true of most dialogue options in most games - they exist for character expression / role-play, although the DA series associates follower approval with many of those choices. Some of MET's interrupts were great fun, but they didn't impact the storyline. Well you are right about not really knowing what is going to be said. Even in Witcher 3 which I love there were times I thought I was saying one thing yet Geralt said soemthing totally different. However in MET choices you made really did affect things , often times not in any major way. I will give two examples. When first talking with the 'bad' reporter you can decide to punch her instead of going on with the interview. That action not only causes you to get a bit of a dressing down by Admiral Hacket but the next time you meet her she has take self defense classes. Yes very minor but your action change things in the game, NOT just your head. In ME3 you meet Kelly who is hiding out from Cerberus but doing aid for refugees. In essence you have the choice to tell her "to keep up the good work." OR "You better change your identity, Cerberus has a long reach." After the Cerberus attack she is either dead or she thanks you for the advise and it saved her life. Yes it amounts to a hill of beans in the over all story yet you feel like you have affected the game world and not just in your head. In MEA there is very LITTLE affect no matter how you play your character. The dialogue wheel is used for different purposes at different times. Sometimes it really is just dialogue (character expression), other times it becomes the input mechanism for character choices that have consequences. Both of the examples you cite influence a single character and/or Shepard's relationship with that character. I would also point out that both cases take place over multiple games - Shepard met (or could meet) al-Jilani in all three games, and Kelly in two of them. As it is, Ryder can influence and build relationships with various characters, and perhaps that influence will grow if s/he continues over multiple games.
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Post by derrame on Apr 15, 2017 0:22:44 GMT
Shepard is a badass and can be rational logic and diplomatic and each answer is different
Ryder has two answers, basically the same with slight diferent emotions, now that is stupid
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 15, 2017 0:23:37 GMT
That problem has existed as long as they've used paraphrases with a dialogue wheel. DA2's Hawke was my first experience with it, and I remember how frustrating it was at times. I've since become accustomed to it. That's true of most dialogue options in most games - they exist for character expression / role-play, although the DA series associates follower approval with many of those choices. Some of MET's interrupts were great fun, but they didn't impact the storyline. Well you are right about not really knowing what is going to be said. Even in Witcher 3 which I love there were times I thought I was saying one thing yet Geralt said soemthing totally different. However in MET choices you made really did affect things , often times not in any major way. I will give two examples. When first talking with the 'bad' reporter you can decide to punch her instead of going on with the interview. That action not only causes you to get a bit of a dressing down by Admiral Hacket but the next time you meet her she has take self defense classes. Yes very minor but your action change things in the game, NOT just your head. In ME3 you meet Kelly who is hiding out from Cerberus but doing aid for refugees. In essence you have the choice to tell her "to keep up the good work." OR "You better change your identity, Cerberus has a long reach." After the Cerberus attack she is either dead or she thanks you for the advise and it saved her life. Yes it amounts to a hill of beans in the over all story yet you feel like you have affected the game world and not just in your head. In MEA there is very LITTLE affect no matter how you play your character. If I recall, the reporter always does that self defense dialogue. My main Shepard never punched her in ME1 or 2 but I tried it out in 3 just to see what it would look like.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 0:38:17 GMT
Shepard was shaped by my decisions, Ryder has one personality and I just choose with what emotion he/she will answer. Role playing wise it's weak. As a character Ryder is fine, but it's not what an RPG is about. Not really any more than Ryder's. Just one example of many. Ryder can choose to drop someone (murder them) just as Shep can. Seriously guys, pry those rose-colored glasses off your faces.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 0:41:39 GMT
Shepard was shaped by my decisions, Ryder has one personality and I just choose with what emotion he/she will answer. Role playing wise it's weak. As a character Ryder is fine, but it's not what an RPG is about. this. Ryder is a good time Character for 12 year olds. Shepard is fully able to kick ass if you want him too. or be diplomatic if you don't. Ryder has one one trick and its called fetch. Pretty much all the Renegade options are 12 year old options. They're so ridiculous most of the time I could never see a professional soldier saying them. That's why most of my characters are Paragade leaning heavy Paragon.
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Post by fizzypop on Apr 15, 2017 0:50:56 GMT
The auto dialogue does change depending on the personality you've chosen over the game, but how much I'm still unsure. However, ryder has some really odd moments of stupidity like when I accidentally implied some krogan racism with "I have krogan friends" I almost died hearing that.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 1:05:52 GMT
this. Ryder is a good time Character for 12 year olds. Shepard is fully able to kick ass if you want him too. or be diplomatic if you don't. Ryder has one one trick and its called fetch. Pretty much all the Renegade options are 12 year old options. They're so ridiculous most of the time I could never see a professional soldier saying them. That's why most of my characters are Paragade leaning heavy Paragon. Soldiers take orders. Spectres give them. A Paragade should understand that Joker needs to be told to shut up and move his ass or he'll be switched over to decaf. And just as much, that PeeBee needs to be left in a Volcano for spacing the Pathfinder.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 1:13:29 GMT
Pretty much all the Renegade options are 12 year old options. They're so ridiculous most of the time I could never see a professional soldier saying them. That's why most of my characters are Paragade leaning heavy Paragon. Soldiers take orders. Spectres give them. A Paragade should understand that Joker needs to be told to shut up and move his ass or he'll be switched over to decaf. And just as much, that PeeBee needs to be left in a Volcano for spacing the Pathfinder. I'm talking about many, many immature and childish things the Renegade both says and does. As a vet, I find most of them just plain laughable.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 1:27:52 GMT
Soldiers take orders. Spectres give them. A Paragade should understand that Joker needs to be told to shut up and move his ass or he'll be switched over to decaf. And just as much, that PeeBee needs to be left in a Volcano for spacing the Pathfinder. I'm talking about many, many immature and childish things the Renegade both says and does. As a vet, I find most of them just plain laughable. You're a veteran SPECTRE?
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 15, 2017 1:34:53 GMT
Soldiers take orders. Spectres give them. A Paragade should understand that Joker needs to be told to shut up and move his ass or he'll be switched over to decaf. And just as much, that PeeBee needs to be left in a Volcano for spacing the Pathfinder. I'm talking about many, many immature and childish things the Renegade both says and does. As a vet, I find most of them just plain laughable. "you're just a big stupid jelly fish" Funny as hell to see in a youtube video but having it play out in context in the game, yep just seems childish and out of place. I'm more Paragade too, only taking the Renegade options when they seem to fit and aren't over the top ridiculous. I've never been able to finish a full Renegade run.
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Post by Frost on Apr 15, 2017 1:47:47 GMT
I feel the opposite of the op. Shepard was my favorite video game character ever, so no contest there. Ryder is okay, but I didn't like the general immaturity of her character and autodialogue. I picked mostly professional options, but still got some dialogue and autodialogue that made her sound very immature, which I wasn't happy to hear. I only played as Sara, so I am not sure if this is different for Scott or not.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 15, 2017 1:48:06 GMT
Pretty much all the Renegade options are 12 year old options. They're so ridiculous most of the time I could never see a professional soldier saying them. That's why most of my characters are Paragade leaning heavy Paragon. Which ones? If anything I would have added a lot of renegade interrupts in the trilogy especially in ME3
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 1:52:21 GMT
Pretty much all the Renegade options are 12 year old options. They're so ridiculous most of the time I could never see a professional soldier saying them. That's why most of my characters are Paragade leaning heavy Paragon. Which ones? If anything I would have added a lot of renegade interrupts in the trilogy especially in ME3 They span the whole trilogy, which I've played a zillion times and I love the series - doesn't change my opinion on the matter. No offense, but I didn't feel the need to compile a list of examples.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 15, 2017 1:52:29 GMT
I'm talking about many, many immature and childish things the Renegade both says and does. As a vet, I find most of them just plain laughable. And as vet myself, I found most of the paragon things said and done laughable making Shepard look like a *****.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 1:55:31 GMT
I'm talking about many, many immature and childish things the Renegade both says and does. As a vet, I find most of them just plain laughable. You're a veteran SPECTRE? I know you're not being serious, but I'll play. Shepard is a professional military person, born and bred in the Alliance and professional enough in their craft to be an N7. Obviously, the Renegade options in the games are made for a game and in some sense - for kids and the rule of cool. That doesn't make them any less 12 year old in caliber, for the most part.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 1:56:31 GMT
I'm talking about many, many immature and childish things the Renegade both says and does. As a vet, I find most of them just plain laughable. And as vet myself, I found most of the paragon things said and done laughable making Shepard look like a *****. Seriously? The whole insecure "I'm in charge and a big bad bully look at me!" shtick for the Renegades was just laughable.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 15, 2017 2:00:48 GMT
Which ones? If anything I would have added a lot of renegade interrupts in the trilogy especially in ME3 They span the whole trilogy, which I've played a zillion times and I love the series - doesn't change my opinion on the matter. No offense, but I didn't feel the need to compile a list of examples. Here ya go: Like I said, funny to watch in a video but in context in the game a lot of these are just cringe worthy.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 15, 2017 2:02:20 GMT
Seriously? The whole insecure "I'm in charge and a big bad bully look at me!" shtick for the Renegades was just laughable. Yes. I like renegade. The majority of my playthroughs have been renegade. I've done a couple of paragon playthroughs. Depending on what the player does, a paragon can do more damage than a renegade. I know. I've done it. Still. I prefer playing renegade
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 15, 2017 2:02:42 GMT
As a vet myself (Appeal to authority logical fallacy FTW!) there are BOTH paragon and renegade statements or stances that are just fucking ridiculous in the original trilogy. Some of them on the same decision!
FFS, on Noveria, with the Rachni Queen, would a responsible soldier kill the queen or release her? I would say NEITHER. They'd leave it up to higher authority, and please god, PLEASE don't tell me that Shepard is the high authority. No, he/she shouldn't have the authority to commit what amounts to genocide or release a potentially horrific enemy back to rebuild. That's a decision for the council as a whole, not the guy with the boots on the ground.
Being in the moment and the situation at hand gives you a unique perspective on events as they unfold that no politician could ever truly understand, but it also narrows your field of view. There are many MANY factors that could be at play that the guy on the ground just can't possibly know about.
I would say more renegade viewpoints fall into the same "ridiculous" category than Paragon, but holy hell, alot of the "good" options weren't much better.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 2:02:46 GMT
You're a veteran SPECTRE? I know you're not being serious, but I'll play. Shepard is a professional military person, born and bred in the Alliance and professional enough in their craft to be an N7. Obviously, the Renegade options in the games are made for a game and in some sense - for kids and the rule of cool. That doesn't make them any less 12 year old in caliber, for the most part. My Shepard was Earth Born he ran with the Reds street gang and got into the alliance at the age of 18 to escape a life of crime. or Maybe Colony Born enlisting at his first chance after Batarians slaughtered his family. Sometimes he was a military man raised on Ships. Sometimes he was a girl. He definitely wasn't suffering from a deep seated fear of conflict. I know that.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 15, 2017 2:04:23 GMT
Give it time. A game or two, and we'll have the equivalent of "Citadel? The fight's here!" out of Ryder too.
Though I suppose they'd have to have gotten better at subtly working in exposition without having characters sounding like they're reading you their Wikipedia entry and one of the prompts for them to continue is "wait, so you can reproduce with your own species?"
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 2:05:47 GMT
As a vet myself (Appeal to authority logical fallacy FTW!) there are BOTH paragon and renegade statements or stances that are just fucking ridiculous in the original trilogy. Some of them on the same decision! FFS, on Noveria, with the Rachni Queen, would a responsible soldier kill the queen or release her? I would say NEITHER. They'd leave it up to higher authority, and please god, PLEASE don't tell me that Shepard is the high authority. No, he/she shouldn't have the authority to commit what amounts to genocide or release a potentially horrific enemy back to rebuild. That's a decision for the council as a whole, not the guy with the boots on the ground. Being in the moment and the situation at hand gives you a unique perspective on events as they unfold that no politician could ever truly understand, but it also narrows your field of view. There are many MANY factors that could be at play that the guy on the ground just can't possibly know about. I would say more renegade viewpoints fall into the same "ridiculous" category than Paragon, but holy hell, alot of the "good" options weren't much better. A SPECTRE can't fall back on the higher ups. Their job is to make the call so that the council doesn't have to. A soldier is the opposite.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 15, 2017 2:06:58 GMT
As a vet myself (Appeal to authority logical fallacy FTW!) there are BOTH paragon and renegade statements or stances that are just fucking ridiculous in the original trilogy. Some of them on the same decision! FFS, on Noveria, with the Rachni Queen, would a responsible soldier kill the queen or release her? I would say NEITHER. They'd leave it up to higher authority, and please god, PLEASE don't tell me that Shepard is the high authority. No, he/she shouldn't have the authority to commit what amounts to genocide or release a potentially horrific enemy back to rebuild. That's a decision for the council as a whole, not the guy with the boots on the ground. Being in the moment and the situation at hand gives you a unique perspective on events as they unfold that no politician could ever truly understand, but it also narrows your field of view. There are many MANY factors that could be at play that the guy on the ground just can't possibly know about. I would say more renegade viewpoints fall into the same "ridiculous" category than Paragon, but holy hell, alot of the "good" options weren't much better. Yeah, I agree with most of this.
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