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Post by themikefest on Apr 15, 2017 15:34:34 GMT
In ME1 it was possible to be left with only 2 companions after Virmire with others being dead or never recruited. How would it be possible for only 2 to be left after Virmire? A/K are with the bomb and A/K is with the salarians. Two squadmates are with Shepard. A/K dies leaving 3 after Virmire Too bad there wasn't an option to say no to a couple of them if Ryder doesn't want them on the squad
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 15, 2017 15:42:12 GMT
Ryder is a blank character so far. Shepard never was that even on ME 1. Shepard is a legend on games history. The OP should recognise that cuz andromeda already prooved that..its just another game.its a good game but only that. If Shepard is less on anything compared to Ryder,stupidity ain t one of them surely. At least with him we could shape his personality as simple it was the p/r system. Less though fits well Ryder compared to Shepard yeah. Because andromeda is less in everything compared to the trilogy even on its better feature the combat..cuz what they resolve to do with squad members is just an idiotic thing If you go back to ME1s original reviews and the likes you'll find many people weren't attatched to Shepard. Don't mistake your personal feelings as something everyone else shares as even with ME1 being my favorite, Shepard was far from relatable and could easily be viewed as boring. I also don't see why you mention the paragon renegade system if you were trying to go by ME1, as it never had that system, it had the better system with intimidation and charm. If you're going to let 3 games if Shepard influence you, don't let Ryder's one game be what defines them just yet, but it's fine to say they're underachieving at the moment. fir the record Shepard was a good character, but a "video game legend"? Far from it, not even close to a link, Mario, chief, etc etc. if they were so then they'd be continuing their own story as they are the franchise just like I listed those other characters. Legendary character to a franchise to me is a character the devs don't get away from, something Shepard has already failed at.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 15, 2017 15:45:46 GMT
fir the record Shepard was a good character, but a "video game legend"? Far from it, not even close to a link, Mario, chief, etc etc. if they were so then they'd be continuing their own story as they are the franchise just like I listed those other characters. Legendary character to a franchise to me is a character the devs don't get away from, something Shepard has already failed at. I'd say she is, or at the very least could have been. Not our faults that BW gave us such a bad ending that they ruined the possibility of continuing Shep's story.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 15, 2017 16:09:01 GMT
Shepard and the MET was written around a "hero archetype", that was the major tenet and carrier of the game. The Ryders and MEA feels not written around a specific archetype but definitely with feminization agenda in mind. The Ryder twins are blank canvasses and the rest of the cast mostly irritating rescue dreamers locked up in emotions absent of much sense and of course the odd mandatory psychopath to balance the two out. The first trilogy wanted to be nothing more than a good game written around an interesting but much-used archetype. MEA is propaganda first and game second = big difference. Er... what? Propaganda for what exactly?
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Post by midasear on Apr 15, 2017 16:19:54 GMT
How would it be possible for only 2 to be left after Virmire? A/K are with the bomb and A/K is with the salarians. Two squadmates are with Shepard. A/K dies leaving 3 after Virmire You can refuse to recruit Garrus or Wrex, and leave Liara stranded until after Virmire. Viola, you are stuck with the survivor and Tali for Therum. It's worth saving Therum until last at least once just to hear Liara's alternate dialogue, which is pretty comical if Therum is the last pre-Conduit planet.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 15, 2017 16:31:05 GMT
You can refuse to recruit Garrus or Wrex, and leave Liara stranded until after Virmire. Viola, you are stuck with the survivor and Tali for Therum. You do know that 4 squadmates are needed for Virmire? A/K deal with the bomb while A/K is with the Salarians. So Shepard is with two squadmates, Wrex, Tali, Garrus and Liara. Since Tali is a must, Garrus, Wrex or Liara have to be the other squadmate. After A/K die on Virmire, there is 3 squadmates left, not 2. Yeah. I know. I do that for the majority of my playthroughs
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Post by bizantura on Apr 15, 2017 16:39:28 GMT
Shepard and the MET was written around a "hero archetype", that was the major tenet and carrier of the game. The Ryders and MEA feels not written around a specific archetype but definitely with feminization agenda in mind. The Ryder twins are blank canvasses and the rest of the cast mostly irritating rescue dreamers locked up in emotions absent of much sense and of course the odd mandatory psychopath to balance the two out. The first trilogy wanted to be nothing more than a good game written around an interesting but much-used archetype. MEA is propaganda first and game second = big difference. Er... what? Propaganda for what exactly? As already stated "feminization agenda". If you don't experience this you are enjoying the game for what it is which is good for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 16:46:07 GMT
Yes, now they learned their lesson. Now you need to pay another 60-100 bucks to get the opportunity to see if any of your decisions mattered. Because they sure didn't matter in this game. People, get off the ryncol... Don't be ridiculous. You would rather have so called 'big decisions' ultimately being pointless? People moaned about that endlessly with the MET. And lest you forget - how did you see the impact of your wrex decision without paying another 60 colonial currency? The impact of those big decisions mostly involved BioWare having to create substitute characters to fill the roles vacated by any who met their demise - and the Virmire survivor had the exact same storyline, regardless of which one you chose. There was probably just as much trilogy carryover with the minor side decisions - Fist, Helena Blake, Conrad Verner, etc. - and a lot of them ultimately resulted in receiving an email. Well, if you killed him, he was dead In ME1 it was possible to be left with only 2 companions after Virmire with others being dead or never recruited. Andromeda may be the first Bioware game I've played where you don't have any choice on who you travel with. You have to recruit all of them, they can't leave\die and you can't be in conflict with any of them. Agree with the first bit, but in my game jaal won't talk to me at all. Don't know how long it goes on for but it's been a few missions so far. He did that to me twice during my first run. About the time he'd start talking to Ryder again, she made another decision he didn't like and the silent treatment returned.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 15, 2017 17:03:30 GMT
Shepard and the MET was written around a "hero archetype", that was the major tenet and carrier of the game. The Ryders and MEA feels not written around a specific archetype but definitely with feminization agenda in mind. The Ryder twins are blank canvasses and the rest of the cast mostly irritating rescue dreamers locked up in emotions absent of much sense and of course the odd mandatory psychopath to balance the two out. The first trilogy wanted to be nothing more than a good game written around an interesting but much-used archetype. MEA is propaganda first and game second = big difference. Er... what? Propaganda for what exactly? Those damn feminist! You know what he talking about don't play stupid. It's the god damn doing their pushing their feminist agenda about feminist things it's like Anita Sarkeesian made to teach us that looking at female booty is wrong. The game wants all of the straight males to feel about being straight and male. DUH!
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 15, 2017 17:04:32 GMT
You can refuse to recruit Garrus or Wrex, and leave Liara stranded until after Virmire. Viola, you are stuck with the survivor and Tali for Therum. You do know that 4 squadmates are needed for Virmire? A/K deal with the bomb while A/K is with the Salarians. So Shepard is with two squadmates, Wrex, Tali, Garrus and Liara. Since Tali is a must, Garrus, Wrex or Liara have to be the other squadmate. After A/K die on Virmire, there is 3 squadmates left, not 2. Yeah, I was mistaken. You can end up with 3, not 2. Still, plenty of possibilities regarding your companions. Sometimes it's good to have a choice so you can never take it. Being good doesn't mean much if you can't be bad, doing something well is less satisfying if you can't possibly do it badly etc.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 15, 2017 17:06:08 GMT
Er... what? Propaganda for what exactly? As already stated "feminization agenda". If you don't experience this you are enjoying the game for what it is which is good for you. The term "Feminization" is used for more than one thing. Here is the term feminization as by its sociological definition: "feminization is the shift in gender roles and sex roles in a society, group, or organization towards a focus upon the feminine."
Here is the term feminization as by two dictionaries' definition: "a process in which more and more women become involved in an activity where there are traditionally more men" and "to make or become feminine."
The search for the term "feminization agenda" commonly led to varying statements of the feminization of men agenda similar to the "gay agenda". According to some of the results, this is a conspiracy by corrupt leaders of American to feminize the male population to prevent uprising against them, breaking down gender differences, causing a decline in gender-specific labelled toy products and as causing a soft genocide of black men. Also, the Illuminati. I think an elaborate and by which definition you use the term would better provide a picture of what you mean by it especially in regards to the game.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 15, 2017 17:06:42 GMT
Er... what? Propaganda for what exactly? As already stated "feminization agenda". If you don't experience this you are enjoying the game for what it is which is good for you. I'm not a "3rd wave feminist" or a SJW in the slightest but I honest don't see any agenda in this game unless the "agenda" is when you go to a new place being a dick to the locals when you could die any minute is a horrible idea.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 15, 2017 17:18:01 GMT
As already stated "feminization agenda". If you don't experience this you are enjoying the game for what it is which is good for you. No, I don't see it nor experience it either. Please explain what it is and how Bioware are pushing it.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 15, 2017 17:27:25 GMT
What the shit is a third wave feminist and why the fuck is thread about it?
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 15, 2017 17:34:55 GMT
As already stated "feminization agenda". If you don't experience this you are enjoying the game for what it is which is good for you. The term "Feminization" is used for more than one thing. Here is the term feminization as by its sociological definition: "feminization is the shift in gender roles and sex roles in a society, group, or organization towards a focus upon the feminine."
Here is the term feminization as by two dictionaries' definition: "a process in which more and more women become involved in an activity where there are traditionally more men" and "to make or become feminine."
The search for the term "feminization agenda" commonly led to varying statements of the feminization of men agenda similar to the "gay agenda". According to some of the results, this is a conspiracy by corrupt leaders of American to feminize the male population to prevent uprising against them, breaking down gender differences, causing a decline in gender-specific labelled toy products and as causing a soft genocide of black men. Also, the Illuminati. I think an elaborate and by which definition you use the term would better provide a picture of what you mean by it especially in regards to the game. These 2 bolded definitions could describe the change in MEA in comparison to MET. There certainly is more females, especially among aliens. There is also way more female leaders: Initiative was started by Jien Garson. Nexus leaders- Kesh, Addison. Kadara leader- Sloan Krogan leader- Morda Angara leaders- Moshae, "the governor" Pathfinders- Salarian is female, I forgot her name (Raeka?). We probably shouldn't count the Asari... I don't mind it that much, though I find it weird that Krogan are lead exclusively by females. Since bizantura mentioned "agenda" I'm guessing he might also include general idea of being nice to everybody who is not very very evil as feminine, maybe some other things, I don't know. PS. you can also encounter female salarian dock worker. That's weird too.
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Post by Ieldra on Apr 15, 2017 21:03:36 GMT
Can we please leave the politics out of this thread? It's already much too present everywhere.
This was about Ryder vs. Shepard.
Also, I just finished Elaaden again, and I wonder if someone different wrote Ryder here, since she sounds more often immature in autodialogue than elsewhere. Nothing really stupid, but somewhat annoying nonetheless.
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Post by taliesyn on Apr 15, 2017 21:15:54 GMT
People who prefer Shepard/paragon/renegade are typically people who enjoy playing the anti-hero in games. They see Ryder as too much of a "good guy" and that turns them off. Either that, or they're used to Shepard and crew after three games + DLC and don't like change. I don't think it has much to do with Ryder's/Shepard's intelligence. Or perhaps they are combat vets with 20+ years military experience and just relate to Shepard better than to a callow little shit with no leadership skills or common sense.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 15, 2017 21:32:01 GMT
People who prefer Shepard/paragon/renegade are typically people who enjoy playing the anti-hero in games. They see Ryder as too much of a "good guy" and that turns them off. Either that, or they're used to Shepard and crew after three games + DLC and don't like change. I don't think it has much to do with Ryder's/Shepard's intelligence. Or perhaps they are combat vets with 20+ years military experience and just relate to Shepard better than to a callow little shit with no leadership skills or common sense. A stuck up asshole SGT sounds about right when you compare it with Shepard. I always hated SGT like that. Just because you have rank means jack shit. You were just there at the right time in your unit, so they filled in it with that person instead.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 21:59:49 GMT
There is a bigger thing behind this and one where I think ME:A will come out ahead if there are sequels made. Mass Effect alone had 4 major decisons: - save zzzz or the racist - Rachni - kill Wrex or not - Council That's 4 potentially big - for your future squad or the ongoing story - decisons that have to be incorporated into the next game or made inconsequential so they don't actually matter as a decision. This obviously leads to a permutation nightmare without even factoring in any of the decisons in the sequel. Obviously bioware pretty much retconned 2 of them, but we're also forced to downgrade the two companions as a result. Now I'm only around 50% through ME:A but it lookd like that they may have learnt their lesson this time, even if it does limit the decison impact. Hopefully they can explore more in future games. Ok, I still don't get why people are still upset over the rachni. They were shown to be the most vulnerable race to the reapers indoctonation with their history of being easily indoctrinated and them being them most isolated race in the galexy. Why would people think the reaper would not try and indoctrinate them?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 22:06:42 GMT
Ryder is a blank character so far. Shepard never was that even on ME 1. Shepard is a legend on games history. The OP should recognise that cuz andromeda already prooved that..its just another game.its a good game but only that. If Shepard is less on anything compared to Ryder,stupidity ain t one of them surely. At least with him we could shape his personality as simple it was the p/r system. Less though fits well Ryder compared to Shepard yeah. Because andromeda is less in everything compared to the trilogy even on its better feature the combat..cuz what they resolve to do with squad members is just an idiotic thing Wait...What? From Me1 people have been complaining that shepard feels too blank and now it's the reverse? Ha Dude, if you think Ryder is blank you just doing it wrong. Smart ass Ryder is the best rider. (Care full spoilers)
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Post by mordrek on Apr 15, 2017 22:16:25 GMT
Ryder couldn't even hold up Shepard's shadow. The kid is laughable. About the only thing he does better than Shepard is crack jokes.
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Post by Eterna on Apr 15, 2017 22:17:35 GMT
fextralife.com/forums/t474091/the-oneyearafter-replay-a-missionbymission-review/This was written in 2013 shortly after the Citadel DLC had come out, and it wasn't even the first time I complained about Shepard's canonical stupidity. It's just the most prominent example. Edit: If you don't know, fextralife has archived almost all of the old Bioware forums' content. Statements like yours can be fact-checked Well okay then. I can tell you one thing; Your not going to make many friend if you go around throwing dirt at our Shep. Shep has infiltrated to many hearts for people to let it slide. What a creepy odd thing to say.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 15, 2017 22:57:14 GMT
Or perhaps they are combat vets with 20+ years military experience and just relate to Shepard better than to a callow little shit with no leadership skills or common sense. Shepard is just a power fantasy (even the SPECTRE status is used in-universe to try and justify it). Ryder is clearly less of one, and people really don't seem to like it.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 15, 2017 23:01:09 GMT
My only major gripe with Ryder is not being able to play him as a more ruthless anti-hero, but otherwise, I enjoyed playing as a confident smug smartass.
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