Ryder is definitely less stupid than Shepard

Same. Any person I met who does not like ryder has this issue. they want to be renegade but can't.

!. No one is saying He's better then Shepard.
2. Ryder hold well up on his own as a new be. He ?she is able to do all what they have done with out Shepards history and experience is pretty impressive. They at the least if things gone will for them in the milky way would be n7 material hands down.
3. and if they did all this with no experience imagine what they would be like with experience. Ryder is not Shepards level but  they are coming close. And Ryder has have done way more then shepard has done when Shepard was ryder's age.

This isn't my issue with Ryder. I played a paragon Shepard (although I am not against playing renegade characters). My issue with Sara Ryder is that she is too immature and that seems to be a fixed character trait of hers in some dialogue/autodialogue regardless of the other dialogue options picked.

If you really think about it, there's not much of a list to the things Shepard actually does. Other than having a serious proficiency at killing things in large numbers, what else is there? I mean, both Shepard and either Ryder can take down monsters big and small in single combat. Difference is, Ryder, or at least Sara since I'm more familiar with this one, can at least give some hint that there's life outside of combat. I don't really get that impression from Shepard, like the writers doomed him/her to neverending combat with no real place outside of the soldier role.

No one is mature at 22. They don't know enough to be mature. Maturate is learnt through trial an error. A 20 year old  are immature is some way no matter how  serious they are. It's ether you have alot of self control or you don't.
Added, Ryder was never meant to command a squad or command a ship, they are learning on the fly. they start to mature, not already are mature. This story is about them maturing to be come that leader not them already having the maturity to be that leader.

Gah.  Mixed up my backgrounds.    I'll never live that down, will I? 

I agree that Ryder post-ME:A is roughly equivalent to Shepard pre-trilogy. It'll be interesting to see where Ryder goes from here, if a sequel continues that story.

Now that's just false. It's true that no 22 year old is probably going to be as wise as an experienced, 60 year old veteran, but people are individuals. Some mentally mature sooner than others.

Also, as the previous poster has said, the Warden was also quite young, and thrust into a position of power that they were not prepared for at all. I personally think that they handled the situation quite rationally and sensibly, despite their inexperience and young age. So, Ryder being 22 is not an excuse.

Nope . It's true. being serious is not the same as being mature. Sure other are more serious then other and mature fast then other but they are all still immature in some way at 22. It's still a trial and error thing to learn. Like person feeling like the best way to live in to be morally black and white but then finding out later that not everything in life is like that. like a kid who thinks all thieves should be punished no matter what but does not understand that the reason they are thieves in the first place is that they are no jobs for them to survive in the first place.

You mean the auto dialogue shepard had,too.
I get people want more freedom for development for there character but thing is Ryder is not there yet to as for full maturity. Shepard had the feet to fill the shoes of a leader. Ryder doesn't but is a leader anyway. They are maturing.

I do believe Ryder fits their role better than Shepard. They're generally smart, adventurous, and good in a scrap; a Pathfinder needs to have some technical and scientific intelligence, be willing and able to go where others won't, and be capable of dispatching threats. All of which Ryder can do as part of their job. The decisions they make very often fall into the Pathfinder umbrella of ''help establish and secure new colonies''. And of course SAM's capabilities make Ryder the perfect fit for the position. 

Meanwhile Shepard, as a Specter and Alliance Navy Commander, makes decisions that should by all rights be way above their paygrade, even as early as ME1 with the Rachni situation. It only gets worse as the series goes, Shepard is progressively seen as a god-like figure (not even exaggerating here; Project Lazarus anyone?) that can solve every single problem under the sun because... they're good at killing things? That's basically Shepard's one skillset, that and inspiring loyalty even if they're a massive jerk to their teammates. And somehow this translates into them being the ultimate leader of everything, up to and including giving orders to the combined armada at the end of ME3 despite having next to 0 experience in ship to ship combat at all, and several perfectly serviceable Admirals are on standby.

Even early in ME2, without knowing much of anything about the Reapers and Collectors, TIM and Miranda act as if Shepard is the only individual in the galaxy that can end the threat. Why? Because they shoot people in the face better than most? If we follow that logic, why not pick a decorated Navy SEAL and put them in charge of all the political and military decisions of NATO? Chain of command doesn't work that way.

I feel that Ryder's importance in the story is justified far better in Andromeda than Shepard's was in the OT, where they solves everything basically just because they're the player character. At least Ryder multi-tasking in Andromeda is justified by the competent people being dead before they even arrive.

Sure, and with a regressive and intentionally vapid mindset, you can make anything sound unimportant.

1.  Einstein - Figured out how things move, discovered a new source of heat.

2.  Bell - Made it so people could talk further apart

3. Edison - Figured out a new way to make light.

lol.

Yes. Apart from the often too non-serious lines when the tone indicitator wouldn't suggest it or was absent, not being able to be confrontational (enough) in certain situations where you might want to be, that's IMO Ryder's main problem.