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Post by ulmanicator on Apr 17, 2017 8:13:57 GMT
During Cora's loyalty mission she and Vederia managed not only to protect the entire Ark from tens of missles shot by Kett battleships, but to dodge them in such a perfect way that they demolished the poor bastards who used them in the first place. From the lore perspective, it doesn't make sense at all. Just think about how hard it was for our biotics to maintain the protection of the squad during suicide mission. It's unacceptable to sacrifice lore and basic common sense in order to make an epic scene.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 8:19:14 GMT
Yeah, thanks for that - i Hadn't got to that mission yet, I really needed it spoiled.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 17, 2017 8:39:50 GMT
Yeah, thanks for that - i Hadn't got to that mission yet, I really needed it spoiled. "During Cora's Loyalty Mission" Virtually first fragment of the sentence, and you couldn't stop reading there if you didn't want the mission spoiled? |
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Post by ulmanicator on Apr 17, 2017 8:41:25 GMT
Added spoiler warning to the thread's title.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 17, 2017 9:02:26 GMT
 I like to think of it as: 1. Seeker Swarms are high tech Reaper Weapons. Biotic also have to move and navigate while maintaining the barrier. 2. On Thessia, shielding against Reaper Weapon bombardment. In this mission, basically shielding against.... primitive missiles. Against a ship that does not have shields and got taken out by its own primitive missiles in a single barrage... So should be a piece of cake in comparison.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 17, 2017 9:08:09 GMT
Animators gonna animate and Mac Walters gonna Mac Walters "Wow, those are some pretty big biotic shields. Pretty... cool!, heh... keep it!" |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 9:11:31 GMT
One of the stupidest things ever in a Mass Effect game.
A single Asari and a human.
Redirecting enemy fire back at them with precision.
Using a barrier.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 17, 2017 9:16:01 GMT
One of the stupidest things ever in a Mass Effect game. A single Asari and a human. Redirecting enemy fire back at them with precision. Using a barrier. Biotics have always been space magic. I don't know why you'd expect rules with them. |
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Post by Fredward on Apr 17, 2017 9:17:22 GMT
What bothered me the most is that Ryder didn't help. Ryder is biotic, its canon yet it never comes up or is mentioned. When I heard that Ryder was canonically biotic I was looking forward to some biotic related scenes and comments but nooo let's spend all our money on... something, I actually don't know what.
If they had done something clever with their biotics, that required skill but not necessarily lore-breaking amounts of power it would have been less annoying.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 9:17:38 GMT
One of the stupidest things ever in a Mass Effect game. A single Asari and a human. Redirecting enemy fire back at them with precision. Using a barrier. Biotics have always been space magic. I don't know why you'd expect rules with them. Put it to you this way. Luke Skywalker throws a rock with the force. Fine. Luke Skywalker picks up the death star and throws into the sun. Stoopid..... |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 17, 2017 9:20:55 GMT
One of the stupidest things ever in a Mass Effect game. A single Asari and a human. Redirecting enemy fire back at them with precision. Using a barrier. Biotics have always been space magic. I don't know why you'd expect rules with them. Hello L2 implants. Hello L3 and L5x, hello Mass Effect and Eezo science-babble or at least some sense that there was some boundaries of consistency to it. The reason this moment in Andromeda is stupid is because we're comparing it to ME2's bubble-shield during Suicide Mission as performed by some of the best of the best according to TIM who could just barely make it as big as to fit in 3 people for an extended period of time. Thessia on ME3 showed some highly trained commandos use similar shields and yet Cora and another Commando can make a shield that's 10 times the size, 10 times as strong. It's been a while since i played this part but I can't remember if Sarissa is helping or if it's the other, but I guess if a SAM is helping it makes slightly more sense but it still seems like a biotic barrier that should've only been possible if there were 10 other Asari helping. |
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Post by Garo on Apr 17, 2017 9:21:07 GMT
During Cora's loyalty mission she and Vederia managed not only to protect the entire Ark from tens of missles shot by Kett battleships, but to dodge them in such a perfect way that they demolished the poor bastards who used them in the first place. From the lore perspective, it doesn't make sense at all. Just think about how hard it was for our biotics to maintain the protection of the squad during suicide mission. It's unacceptable to sacrifice lore and basic common sense in order to make an epic scene. Yes! I noticed the same thing, this is not how biotics work, not even close. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 17, 2017 9:22:09 GMT
Andromeda has its fair share of stupid moments, but that one stood out. And I don't say this lightly.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 17, 2017 9:25:06 GMT
Biotics have always been space magic. I don't know why you'd expect rules with them. Hello L2 implants. Hello L3 and L5x, hello Mass Effect and Eezo science-babble or at least some sense that there was some boundaries of consistency to it. The reason this moment in Andromeda is stupid is because we're comparing it to ME2's bubble-shield during Suicide Mission as performed by some of the best of the best according to TIM who could just barely make it as big as to fit in 3 people for an extended period of time. Thessia on ME3 showed some highly trained commandos use similar shields and yet Cora and another Commando can make a shield that's 10 times the size, 10 times as strong. It's been a while since i played this part but I can't remember if Sarissa is helping or if it's the other, but I guess if a SAM is helping it makes slightly more sense but it still seems like a biotic barrier that should've only been possible if there were 10 other Asari helping. Science babble is akin to space magic. Magic will always be as big as the story is tempted to take. Which is why some writters make magic users so scant on their fantasy genres as it can get ridiculous quickly. And let's be honest here, in ME2 the people doing the bubble are said to be powerful because the narartive tells us so. The same is with Cora and Sarissa. Cora was such an anomaly she was sent away to train with Asari, and Sarissa is this legendary asari commando who was chosen to serve as a bodyguard for the matriarch of the asari ark. It's not like they're nobodies in terms of biotics. The game said they're really powerful biotics. Which just makes me sad because my adept Ryder wasn't offered the chance to help and I'd think I was going to be pretty special ;( |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 17, 2017 9:25:59 GMT
During Cora's loyalty mission she and Vederia managed not only to protect the entire Ark from tens of missles shot by Kett battleships, but to dodge them in such a perfect way that they demolished the poor bastards who used them in the first place. From the lore perspective, it doesn't make sense at all. Just think about how hard it was for our biotics to maintain the protection of the squad during suicide mission. It's unacceptable to sacrifice lore and basic common sense in order to make an epic scene. Yes! I noticed the same thing, this is not how biotics work, not even close. Yep, I mean, the line we're crossing here would be akin to making Shepard melee Harbinger to death singlehandedly with his omni-blade or something equally big that's stupid for the sake of being epic. Hello L2 implants. Hello L3 and L5x, hello Mass Effect and Eezo science-babble or at least some sense that there was some boundaries of consistency to it. The reason this moment in Andromeda is stupid is because we're comparing it to ME2's bubble-shield during Suicide Mission as performed by some of the best of the best according to TIM who could just barely make it as big as to fit in 3 people for an extended period of time. Thessia on ME3 showed some highly trained commandos use similar shields and yet Cora and another Commando can make a shield that's 10 times the size, 10 times as strong. It's been a while since i played this part but I can't remember if Sarissa is helping or if it's the other, but I guess if a SAM is helping it makes slightly more sense but it still seems like a biotic barrier that should've only been possible if there were 10 other Asari helping. Science babble is akin to space magic. Magic will always be as big as the story is tempted to take. Which is why some writters make magic users so scant on their fantasy genres as it can get ridiculous quickly. The difference is that space magic goes out of its way to remove your willing suspension of disbelief. Science babble makes you give it the benefit of doubt and then it won't ruin the scene. There's that difference between seeing something and going "THAT'S STUPID!" right away and then seeing something and, upon reflection, saying "Huh, that didn't really add up." |
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 17, 2017 9:31:47 GMT
Yep, I mean, the line we're crossing here would be akin to making Shepard melee Harbinger to death singlehandedly with his omni-blade or something equally big that's stupid for the sake of being epic. Science babble is akin to space magic. Magic will always be as big as the story is tempted to take. Which is why some writters make magic users so scant on their fantasy genres as it can get ridiculous quickly. The difference is that space magic goes out of its way to remove your willing suspension of disbelief. Science babble makes you give it the benefit of doubt and then it won't ruin the scene. There's that difference between seeing something and going "THAT'S STUPID!" right away and then seeing something and, upon reflection, saying "Huh, that didn't really add up." The Crucible never fired. Shepard just used Nova in front of the Catalyst to kill all the Reapers.  |
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Post by squireangel on Apr 17, 2017 9:35:02 GMT
So, let's also not forget that Samara, a justicar who are renowned for being incredibly powerful, as well as her being of a significant age for an Asari, is barely able to keep a MUCH smaller barrier maintained in suicide mission on ME2. Humanity is barely budding in regards of Biotics, so even if Cora was immensely gifted, her power shouldn't be superior to Samara, and Sarissa probably isn't terribly beyond her either. Keep in mind the new biotic shield power we got in MEA, shield dodad for Vanguards, is barely able to reflect bullets for more than a few scant moments. The power required to not only block the missiles, simply from the perspective of sheer coverage area, is EASILY hundreds of times greater than the base power.
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Post by ulmanicator on Apr 17, 2017 9:50:06 GMT
One of the stupidest things ever in a Mass Effect game. A single Asari and a human. Redirecting enemy fire back at them with precision. Using a barrier. Biotics have always been space magic. I don't know why you'd expect rules with them. DA magic is literally magic, yet it follows some rules in order not to be stupid. |
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Post by melisan on Apr 17, 2017 10:01:41 GMT
Cora might be a biotic GOD whatever. (No, I don't think that. I think it's just stupid.)
Still, given that she did perform that feat,
and that taken in to account that never before, nor after does she ever demonstrate such power,
I have to assume Cora is never loyal to Ryder. EVER. (Or, because I hate Cora)
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 10:28:53 GMT
Biotics have always been space magic. I don't know why you'd expect rules with them. It's been a while since i played this part but I can't remember if Sarissa is helping or if it's the other, but I guess if a SAM is helping it makes slightly more sense but it still seems like a biotic barrier that should've only been possible if there were 10 other Asari helping. And thats just to put the barrier in place, holding it there is another thing. The worst parts about this arent even in the scene. 1. Another barrier set up by the Asari to plug the same hole drained the ship of all power needed to start the engines. This is in the scene directly before the fight. Which means Sarissa and Cora can generate more energy between them than an ARK. Or at least enough to power its engines. 2. Samara was a Matriarch and she barely made it through the seeker swarms with a mini bubble, by those standards. 3. Jack is described as the most talented human biotic of our time. She also struggled to hold up on the long march. 4. If 2 and 3 sre the standards set then Sarissa is the equivalent of several Asari Justicars and Cora could finger flick Jack through an armoured ships hull. |
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 17, 2017 10:44:53 GMT
It's one of many reasons I ... *heavy sigh* just threw my hands up in the air in despair / disgust and dismiss MEA. It's like the new team didn't care what has been established, they're just making up whatever they like.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 17, 2017 10:53:55 GMT
The Kett are just really shit at war, so shit that they can't even beat the Angara who are really really shit at war.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 17, 2017 11:38:04 GMT
From the lore perspective, it doesn't make sense at all. Biotics doesn't make sense at all in the first place. It's literally a space substitute for magic in a science fantasy game. I'll copy and paste what I've said before on this. "Well Jack or Samara had to keep a field up for an extended period of time, were walking for an extended period of time, and being attacked for an extended period of time. Somewhere between 5-10 minutes of sustained biotic use while having forces trying to penetrate your barrier would be a lot for one powerful biotic and we see that when they almost collapse by the end of the segment.
Now if I have two experienced and powerful biotics and only require them to hold a barrier up for a fraction of that time (I forget, the barrage was only like 30 seconds tops, right?)...they now have double the power and less time required to keep it going. You could have a larger and/or more powerful field at the expense of duration and mobility."
Throw in the fact they are using biotics in space and we don't know how that might be amplified (help me out here professional and amateur physicists) Now granted this could all be bullshit, but again see point one above. Did you play the ending of Mass Effect 3? |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 12:06:36 GMT
From the lore perspective, it doesn't make sense at all. Biotics doesn't make sense at all in the first place. It's literally a space substitute for magic in a science fantasy game. I'll copy and paste what I've said before on this. "Well Jack or Samara had to keep a field up for an extended period of time, were walking for an extended period of time, and being attacked for an extended period of time. Somewhere between 5-10 minutes of sustained biotic use while having forces trying to penetrate your barrier would be a lot for one powerful biotic and we see that when they almost collapse by the end of the segment.
Now if I have two experienced and powerful biotics and only require them to hold a barrier up for a fraction of that time (I forget, the barrage was only like 30 seconds tops, right?)...they now have double the power and less time required to keep it going. You could have a larger and/or more powerful field at the expense of duration and mobility."
Throw in the fact they are using biotics in space and we don't know how that might be amplified (help me out here professional and amateur physicists) Now granted this could all be bullshit, but again see point one above. Did you play the ending of Mass Effect 3? The problem with your argument is Jack and Samara were protecting against bugs. Sarissa and Cora redirected a salvo of missiles from a Kett Cruiser, back at the Cruiser. With a Barrier. |
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Post by Light on Apr 17, 2017 12:08:27 GMT
It's one of many reasons I ... *heavy sigh* just threw my hands up in the air in despair / disgust and dismiss MEA. It's like the new team didn't care what has been established, they're just making up whatever they like.hallelujah someone finally gets it. I am sure 95% of MEA problems can be summed up with that one sentence. |
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