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Post by Melcara on Apr 18, 2017 10:55:29 GMT
Where do people get that SAM is altering other Pathfinders? Talk to SAM about it, Alec added those protocols to Ryders SAM the others cant do that. What I understood from that is that the Human pathfinder's SAM is the only SAM that gives the pathfinder profiles. i.e. the story reason for the gameplay ability of changing abilities and passives on the fly. But you might be right. Profiles = boosting physiological functions. Something Sarissa's SAM definitely can't do.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 18, 2017 12:03:40 GMT
Sarissa and Cora redirected a salvo of missiles from a Kett Cruiser, back at the Cruiser. With a Barrier. The Asari should have just got all 20,000 of their people out of cyro and chucked the cruiser into the sun.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 12:23:20 GMT
Sarissa and Cora redirected a salvo of missiles from a Kett Cruiser, back at the Cruiser. With a Barrier. The Asari should have just got all 20,000 of their people out of cyro and chucked the cruiser into the sun. Waste of a good ship, they could have cast a massive stasis field and disabled everyone on it. Then opened all the airlocks one by one with a toothbrush. = Credits.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 18, 2017 12:44:41 GMT
The Asari should have just got all 20,000 of their people out of cyro and chucked the cruiser into the sun. Waste of a good ship, they could have cast a massive stasis field and disabled everyone on it. Then opened all the airlocks one by one with a toothbrush. = Credits. I am fairly sure that once they were disabled, the Asari would go all Bill Cosby on them.... To soon?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 18, 2017 13:29:38 GMT
Thus it will stop or be deflected, Not do a complete 180. It was not a complete 180. Those missiles curved. Re watch the seen. Most of them missed and only 6 hit the ship. I have watched teh scene. Several times. Observe: The missiles hit the barrier, do a tight 180 turn, and launch themselves back at the cruiser! One of them even appears to pause and rotate rather than turn!
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 15:17:57 GMT
It was not a complete 180. Those missiles curved. Re watch the seen. Most of them missed and only 6 hit the ship. I have watched teh scene. Several times. Observe: The missiles hit the barrier, do a tight 180 turn, and launch themselves back at the cruiser! One of them even appears to pause and rotate rather than turn! and that still is a deflection which only 6 out 26 missiles his it mark . They were still defected. Just push the head of the missile and momentum does the rest.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 18, 2017 18:12:07 GMT
I have watched teh scene. Several times. Observe: The missiles hit the barrier, do a tight 180 turn, and launch themselves back at the cruiser! One of them even appears to pause and rotate rather than turn! and that still is a deflection which only 6 out 26 missiles his it mark . They were still defected. Just push the head of the missile and momentum does the rest. See...the thing is this. Those missiles had a momentum headed towards the Asari Ark. To get them to stop, on a dime, would require much more accelerative force than it took to get them to that speed in the first place. (Edit: Since Force = mass times acceleration, the force required would have been exponetially higher to change their vector while keeping the same speed) To then turn them back around and head towards the Kett ship at an equivalent speed would require even MORE force than that. If you tapped the head of the missle "down," it would have deflected "down." Tap 'em hard enough for the missile to be facing away from the Asari Ark, they would have been still headed TOWARDS THE ARK, but with an acceleration in the opposite direction. It would take time to slow down, stop, then accelerate towards the Kett ship again. That's not what we see here. We see missiles hitting the shield, pulling a hard high-g turn, AND KEEPING THEIR SPEED back towards the Kett ship. That suggests a massive force from the barrier to do that. And to do that without exploding the warheads is another thing entirely. The fact that "only" six of the missiles hit the Kett ship is irrelevant to the fact that none of this makes any sort of sense. And yes, this is a game about space magic, so some things require a suspension of disbelief. This, however, goes past that suspension of disbelief amongst (what appears to be) a large group of players. Also, please stop bringing up Thessia as support for this argument. It's completely irrelevant. The shield the commandos put up there stopped the missiles' blast from penetrating it (which fits with lore, since barriers are known to stop incoming damage) but this one acts completely differently. That is the crux of why I don't like the scene, and simply cannot, and will not, think it anything more than a complete "facepalm" moment.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 20:41:14 GMT
and that still is a deflection which only 6 out 26 missiles his it mark . They were still defected. Just push the head of the missile and momentum does the rest. See...the thing is this. Those missiles had a momentum headed towards the Asari Ark. To get them to stop, on a dime, would require much more accelerative force than it took to get them to that speed in the first place. (Edit: Since Force = mass times acceleration, the force required would have been exponetially higher to change their vector while keeping the same speed) To then turn them back around and head towards the Kett ship at an equivalent speed would require even MORE force than that. If you tapped the head of the missle "down," it would have deflected "down." Tap 'em hard enough for the missile to be facing away from the Asari Ark, they would have been still headed TOWARDS THE ARK, but with an acceleration in the opposite direction. It would take time to slow down, stop, then accelerate towards the Kett ship again. That's not what we see here. We see missiles hitting the shield, pulling a hard high-g turn, AND KEEPING THEIR SPEED back towards the Kett ship. That suggests a massive force from the barrier to do that. And to do that without exploding the warheads is another thing entirely. The fact that "only" six of the missiles hit the Kett ship is irrelevant to the fact that none of this makes any sort of sense. And yes, this is a game about space magic, so some things require a suspension of disbelief. This, however, goes past that suspension of disbelief amongst (what appears to be) a large group of players. Also, please stop bringing up Thessia as support for this argument. It's completely irrelevant. The shield the commandos put up there stopped the missiles' blast from penetrating it (which fits with lore, since barriers are known to stop incoming damage) but this one acts completely differently. That is the crux of why I don't like the scene, and simply cannot, and will not, think it anything more than a complete "facepalm" moment. Last time i checked biotics can do that. And as I said before all missile in ME are shot slow. You i really have to say slower moving objest are easier to turn? if this was a blast from a main cannon or a ship going at ftl, sure I would call bs but this here is not out side of what biotics can do. And you do understand missiles are just exploding rockets right? They were not thrown back as the same force as they came, even when defected the rocket portion of the missile still works. That's what give it the momentum to go back. You just turn the missile and the rocket part of the missile does the rest. And the thessia point is not irreverent. those were reaper tech missiles, those can take out any armored vehicles.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 18, 2017 20:47:24 GMT
This has gotten to the point of useless and beyond. None of the reasons you list make sense enough for me to find this scene believable. None of the reasons I list are enough to make the scene UNbelievable for you. Time to agree to disagree and move on.
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Post by palker4 on Apr 18, 2017 21:16:26 GMT
Meh still better than ME3 ending. No matter what will they do they cannot possibly bet that (I hope).
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 18, 2017 22:21:51 GMT
Well sarrisa is supposed to be an insanely powerful and very skilled biotic. And cora is obscenly strong as well. I think having them throw it back was a bit much but stopping it was possible.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 18, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
I've...just given up on mass effect, I haven't played since 3 days after it launched and I don't think I'll be going back, it's just idiotic at this point. Yet you are still posting about it?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 18, 2017 23:30:47 GMT
Frankly this scene, besides the *roll of eyes* / facepalm moment, only made me more irate with the writers because it's another Cora-only-human-to-run-with-asari-commandos pie (right in the face); emphasis on unique, super duper human biotic. The asari pathfinder specifically asked for her and ignored the rest. Appreciate Cora's prowess because she had proven it. Nope, not happening dear writers, this is just another blatant disregard of the lore.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 19, 2017 0:23:16 GMT
Well sarrisa is supposed to be an insanely powerful and very skilled biotic. And cora is obscenly strong as well. I think having them throw it back was a bit much but stopping it was possible. Having the missiles explode on the shield, or even simply be deflected in a shallow angle to miss the Ark would have been acceptable. Maybe a bit of a stretch, but acceptable. Turning them completely around towards the Kett ship? Yes, biotics mess with modern day understanding of physics, but this...to me it breaks the laws of physics to an unacceptable level.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 19, 2017 11:23:19 GMT
Well sarrisa is supposed to be an insanely powerful and very skilled biotic. And cora is obscenly strong as well. I think having them throw it back was a bit much but stopping it was possible. Having the missiles explode on the shield, or even simply be deflected in a shallow angle to miss the Ark would have been acceptable. Maybe a bit of a stretch, but acceptable. Turning them completely around towards the Kett ship? Yes, biotics mess with modern day understanding of physics, but this...to me it breaks the laws of physics to an unacceptable level. were you agreeing with me or trying to say I was wrong?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 19, 2017 11:24:08 GMT
Meh still better than ME3 ending. No matter what will they do they cannot possibly bet that (I hope). DO NOT GIVE THEM IDEA'S!
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 19, 2017 12:06:26 GMT
Having the missiles explode on the shield, or even simply be deflected in a shallow angle to miss the Ark would have been acceptable. Maybe a bit of a stretch, but acceptable. Turning them completely around towards the Kett ship? Yes, biotics mess with modern day understanding of physics, but this...to me it breaks the laws of physics to an unacceptable level. were you agreeing with me or trying to say I was wrong? Well, I wasn't trying to say you were wrong since, without a verifiable factual basis, opinions can't be correct or incorrect objectively. If you agree that the missiles being turned around is too far over the line of believability for suspension of disbelief to cover it, we agree. If not, we disagree. But, hey, put 3 people in a room, you get 6 opinions. I won't pretend to like the scene here, but if people disagree I'm not gonna fault 'em for it.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 19, 2017 14:31:44 GMT
and that still is a deflection which only 6 out 26 missiles his it mark . They were still defected. Just push the head of the missile and momentum does the rest. We see missiles hitting the shield, pulling a hard high-g turn, AND KEEPING THEIR SPEED back towards the Kett ship. That suggests a massive force from the barrier to do that. It looks to me as missiles own propulsion system does most of that. Is the contact with the shield frictionless? How much friction?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 19, 2017 19:36:19 GMT
Well sarrisa is supposed to be an insanely powerful and very skilled biotic. And cora is obscenly strong as well. I think having them throw it back was a bit much but stopping it was possible. Having the missiles explode on the shield, or even simply be deflected in a shallow angle to miss the Ark would have been acceptable. Maybe a bit of a stretch, but acceptable. Turning them completely around towards the Kett ship? Yes, biotics mess with modern day understanding of physics, but this...to me it breaks the laws of physics to an unacceptable level. This human understands
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Post by Akira49 on Apr 19, 2017 20:24:02 GMT
Yeah, thanks for that - i Hadn't got to that mission yet, I really needed it spoiled. "During Cora's Loyalty Mission" Virtually first fragment of the sentence, and you couldn't stop reading there if you didn't want the mission spoiled? OMG. Are you serious? How can you complain about spoilers in spoiler section of the forums????
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Post by jastall on Apr 19, 2017 23:33:11 GMT
I'd have swallowed them stopping the missiles. OK, fine, it was a powerful burst of barriers from two highly skilled Biotics, Sarissa especially is said to be particularly adept at them.
Redirecting them was just stupid. As was my Vanguard Ryder sitting there and watching.
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Post by Eterna on Apr 20, 2017 2:15:13 GMT
What bothered me the most is that Ryder didn't help. Ryder is biotic, its canon yet it never comes up or is mentioned. When I heard that Ryder was canonically biotic I was looking forward to some biotic related scenes and comments but nooo let's spend all our money on... something, I actually don't know what. If they had done something clever with their biotics, that required skill but not necessarily lore-breaking amounts of power it would have been less annoying. Where did you hear that Ryder is a biotic? Just interested.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 20, 2017 3:10:21 GMT
"During Cora's Loyalty Mission" Virtually first fragment of the sentence, and you couldn't stop reading there if you didn't want the mission spoiled? OMG. Are you serious? How can you complain about spoilers in spoiler section of the forums???? FTR it was originly posted in the General section and moved after VonUber posted.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 20, 2017 5:47:53 GMT
What bothered me the most is that Ryder didn't help. Ryder is biotic, its canon yet it never comes up or is mentioned. When I heard that Ryder was canonically biotic I was looking forward to some biotic related scenes and comments but nooo let's spend all our money on... something, I actually don't know what. If they had done something clever with their biotics, that required skill but not necessarily lore-breaking amounts of power it would have been less annoying. Where did you hear that Ryder is a biotic? Just interested. The fact that they can use biotics...?
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 20, 2017 6:49:48 GMT
Where did you hear that Ryder is a biotic? Just interested. The fact that they can use biotics...? Gameplaywise, yes, but it's never referenced storywise afaik.
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