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Post by Light on Apr 20, 2017 6:51:37 GMT
Where did you hear that Ryder is a biotic? Just interested. The fact that they can use biotics...? [Facepalm] You know that does not make it canonically true right? Take Shepard for example, officially the Commander is pure soldier, no biotics or tech at all. That does not stop the player from creating an Adept, Engineer, Sentinel or Vanguard.
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Post by thefool on Apr 20, 2017 8:42:34 GMT
I think the best evidence of the Ryder Twins being biotic is their mum having a disease caused by exposure to element zero.
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Post by amleth on Apr 20, 2017 10:31:52 GMT
I've...just given up on mass effect, I haven't played since 3 days after it launched and I don't think I'll be going back, it's just idiotic at this point. Yet you are still posting about it? It's a free country ain't it?
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 20, 2017 10:39:39 GMT
Deflecting back the missiles was too op, otherwise it was fine to me. They had practice with similar moves before, there were two of them and I imagine producing a short burst of energy is less taxing than holding that barrier up in the Collector base (constant bombartment from the seeker swarms) while being shot and being hit by husks.
Honestly, I'm still more annoyed by Jack's intro scene versus her performance in actual gameplay...! That's where the rule of cool went wrong.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2017 10:49:06 GMT
Honestly, I'm still more annoyed by Jack's intro scene versus her performance in actual gameplay...! That's where the rule of cool went wrong. Yup, what the eff happened with that? Was she supertanked on adrenaline or something because that was some seriously OP biotics that we never saw before or after.
Maybe Sarissa and Cora uses the same fuel here?
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 20, 2017 11:08:09 GMT
Honestly, I'm still more annoyed by Jack's intro scene versus her performance in actual gameplay...! That's where the rule of cool went wrong. Yup, what the eff happened with that? Was she supertanked on adrenaline or something because that was some seriously OP biotics that we never saw before or after.
Maybe Sarissa and Cora uses the same fuel here?
Hahah yep taking out 3 heavy mechs straight out of cryo and wrecking the whole station with her biotics alone?? And then, especially if one played on hardcore or insanity, she can't take out a single mook alone before being gunned down herself hahah.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 20, 2017 14:45:22 GMT
The fact that they can use biotics...? [Facepalm] You know that does not make it canonically true right? Take Shepard for example, officially the Commander is pure soldier, no biotics or tech at all. That does not stop the player from creating an Adept, Engineer, Sentinel or Vanguard. There's a distinction between: Shepard is a soldier canonically and the soldier class does not have access to biotics and Ryder has no 'class' canonically (even though AFAIK no canon has really been established as of yet for Ryder) and always has access to biotics. At least from my perspective.
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Post by TurianFetish on Apr 20, 2017 16:03:35 GMT
I think the best evidence of the Ryder Twins being biotic is their mum having a disease caused by exposure to element zero. Actually, the twin that we don't choose isn't a biotic, I remember one of the devs tweeting about it some time ago.
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Post by Light on Apr 21, 2017 4:40:02 GMT
What bothered me the most is that Ryder didn't help. Ryder is biotic, its canon yet it never comes up or is mentioned. When I heard that Ryder was canonically biotic I was looking forward to some biotic related scenes and comments but nooo let's spend all our money on... something, I actually don't know what. If they had done something clever with their biotics, that required skill but not necessarily lore-breaking amounts of power it would have been less annoying. [Facepalm] You know that does not make it canonically true right? Take Shepard for example, officially the Commander is pure soldier, no biotics or tech at all. That does not stop the player from creating an Adept, Engineer, Sentinel or Vanguard. There's a distinction between: Shepard is a soldier canonically and the soldier class does not have access to biotics and Ryder has no 'class' canonically (even though AFAIK no canon has really been established as of yet for Ryder) and always has access to biotics. At least from my perspective. "Ryder is biotic, its canon" "no canon has really been established as of yet for Ryder" In that case you should make up your mind and stop arguing with yourself.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 21, 2017 6:50:58 GMT
"Ryder is biotic, its canon" "no canon has really been established as of yet for Ryder" In that case you should make up your mind and stop arguing with yourself. You're right ofc. In the soft canon of gameplay as of yet unestablished in a series and without any definitive word of dev Ryder is consistently and inevitably biotic. Whereas Shepard definitively was or was not based off of class choice with past history and present comments and abilities adjusting to reflect that.
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Post by feuerrabe on Apr 21, 2017 8:44:32 GMT
What bothered me the most is that Ryder didn't help. Ryder is biotic, its canon yet it never comes up or is mentioned. When I heard that Ryder was canonically biotic I was looking forward to some biotic related scenes and comments but nooo let's spend all our money on... something, I actually don't know what. If they had done something clever with their biotics, that required skill but not necessarily lore-breaking amounts of power it would have been less annoying. Hmmm. Barrier is a passive defensive ability in the game itself... maybe it depends on your rank in that skill whether or not he/she helps? I wouldn't know - my Ryder is infiltrator. I only wanted to take out the missiles with my sniper rifle, the scene had something of skeet shooting.
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Post by zan on Apr 21, 2017 19:22:15 GMT
Momentum is mass times velocity (that is both speed and the direction of motion). In order to turn object 180 degrees and have it move at the same speed you need to impart twice the momentum on the object (one to stop it and one to make it move with the original speed in the other direction).
Implying that rocket's thrusters did most of the work is also not likely - by the time the rockets approach the Ark they did not appear to be accelerating (and certainly not traveling close enough to relativistic speeds to worry about relativistic correction to Newton's Laws), which implies majority of the thrust was imparted shortly after firing. But even if we assume that it was indeed the thrusters that accelerated the rockets back to the Kett ships, you still had to stop the rockets and turn them around, which would imply conscientious alteration of rocket's motion on case by case basis, which kinda makes no sense with the whole shield thing.
The reason why exploding the rockets or deflecting them would make a lot more sense is that in the first case the majority of the momentum is imparted on the fragments of the rockets (which pose only as much risk as the size of the holes they can make), and in the second the change in momentum of the projectile is minimal.
The only explanation that would make some semi-balance of sense is if the ordnance was guided and the biotics simply messed with IFF making the missiles turn around to acquire the new 'enemy' target. However in this case we don't need to have a bubble, and the scene turns into a biotic remote hacking.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 21, 2017 20:06:20 GMT
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Post by sdzald on Apr 21, 2017 23:40:15 GMT
You do know missiles in mass effect are fired slow due to the fact they have tech that reduces there mass for higher impact? My point still stands. Turning them completely around takes much more force than it would for a slight "tap" to deflect them. If you don't see a problem with the scene, by all means, be you. I don't care one way or the other. To me, however, this simply just looks wrong, and I won't be convinced that it ISN'T wrong. There not trying to convince you. They are trying to convince people who might still be on the fence about buying this game. They are Shills. Anyone that can not admit the absurdity of that event is either so logically challenged or is a Shill. Either way you are wasting your time arguing with them.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 22, 2017 0:52:39 GMT
My point still stands. Turning them completely around takes much more force than it would for a slight "tap" to deflect them. If you don't see a problem with the scene, by all means, be you. I don't care one way or the other. To me, however, this simply just looks wrong, and I won't be convinced that it ISN'T wrong. There not trying to convince you. They are trying to convince people who might still be on the fence about buying this game. They are Shills. Anyone that can not admit the absurdity of that event is either so logically challenged or is a Shill. Either way you are wasting your time arguing with them. Eh, I wouldn't go that far. There are a few people on here that are so die-hard fans of Bioware that they honestly think the company can do no wrong, but they're actually few and far between. This scene, and a few other things I've seen in the game, are definite flaws that are worthwhile to point out, like just about every Bioware game ever released. In my personal opinion, though, even with the flaws and some other things, this is either my favorite Bioware game so far, or tied for first with ME1. ME1 had a more consistent plot, and a little less "rule of cool" but the gameplay was meh, even for the time, and today...let's just say it hasn't aged well. There are some issues I have with the overall plot of ME:A, this scene being the biggest culprit by far, but the gameplay is vastly improved. I tend to prefer plot over gameplay, but when the difference is this large, I'm very tempted to side with ME:A over ME1, but only by a fairly slight margin. That doesn't mean I won't voice my disapproval with what I feel didn't work! But I'm solidly on the side of "buy this game. It's a great one, albeit with some flaws."
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Post by Iakus on Apr 22, 2017 17:16:29 GMT
The only explanation that would make some semi-balance of sense is if the ordnance was guided and the biotics simply messed with IFF making the missiles turn around to acquire the new 'enemy' target. However in this case we don't need to have a bubble, and the scene turns into a biotic remote hacking. Sounds like a new Sentinel ability
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 22, 2017 20:08:29 GMT
Implying that rocket's thrusters did most of the work is also not likely - by the time the rockets approach the Ark they did not appear to be accelerating (and certainly not traveling close enough to relativistic speeds to worry about relativistic correction to Newton's Laws), which implies majority of the thrust was imparted shortly after firing. It is vacuum, zero-g and the rockets are firing. As long as they are firing the missiles will accelerate.
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Post by zan on Apr 23, 2017 1:15:02 GMT
Implying that rocket's thrusters did most of the work is also not likely - by the time the rockets approach the Ark they did not appear to be accelerating (and certainly not traveling close enough to relativistic speeds to worry about relativistic correction to Newton's Laws), which implies majority of the thrust was imparted shortly after firing. It is vacuum, zero-g and the rockets are firing. As long as they are firing the missiles will accelerate. That's true, and makes the said rockets even stranger. Normally when you fire a missile you want to have it be hard to intercept. That is usually done by making the missile hard to detect (slowly moving, near-the-horizon like Tomohawks) or approach as fast as possible to minimize the reaction/intercept time. Otherwise the missile is too vulnerable to any sort of countermeasures. The first approach in space is silly - those rockets aren't trying to hide. So it would make far more sense to burn the fuel ASAP to reach maximum velocity instead of having a slowly accelerating missile which the enemy can react to. Keep some fuel for course adjustments/evasion, but past that you want the closing time as short as possible. But that at least I can look past. It's similar to first Death Star attack - whole bunch of X-wings with constantly engaged thrusters and nice loud whooshing noises in space. And lasers that move slow enough to dodge (yes, I have read all the explanations the fans came up to try to have these make sense - that discussion is quite similar to this thread). But hey, at least Star Wars was somewhat self-consistent in the way it broke physics.
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Post by antmarch456 on Apr 25, 2017 23:56:44 GMT
I really enjoyed that moment when Cora and Sarissa made that giant barrier shield, reminded me a bit of when your biotic expert used their barrier in the Suicide Mission to kill all the seeker swarms. I guess I'm just one of those people that falls for the "Rule of Cool"...
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Post by luke on Apr 26, 2017 2:12:25 GMT
I really enjoyed that moment when Cora and Sarissa made that giant barrier shield, reminded me a bit of when your biotic expert used their barrier in the Suicide Mission to kill all the seeker swarms. I guess I'm just one of those people that falls for the "Rule of Cool"... Same, I honestly don't care too much for analysing the physics of the in-game universe when I'm trying to kick back and relax. As long as it isn't too ridiculous, I'm good. Just handwave it with some pseudo-science and we can all move on to shooting more Kett in the face.
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Post by riotinducer on Apr 26, 2017 4:40:51 GMT
To be fair reave and dominate never made a damn bit of sense as biotic powers either. At least the backlash shield is somewhat more believable in its functionality.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 26, 2017 11:39:54 GMT
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Post by steppinrazor on Jun 6, 2017 16:14:21 GMT
I wish they'd at least had my super fucking amazing biotic Ryder helping... It's too bad there weren't any moments where Ryder or anyone else, can even mention his biotics
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