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Post by paridave42 on Apr 20, 2017 17:26:11 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks one of the problems with this game is too many people? There's what 800,000 on the 4 arks (though not all survive) and who knows how many on the Nexus. Just about everybody has their favorite race from the Milky Way represented. I would have rather had 2 or maybe 3 new races from the Helios Cluster rather than have 'old home' week on every planet with Raiders and Outcasts.
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Post by malgus on Apr 20, 2017 17:34:31 GMT
Well people would have complained if not every races from the milky way had some chance of being back in MEA.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 20, 2017 18:00:16 GMT
And yet they all look the same.
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Post by maxon on Apr 20, 2017 18:08:04 GMT
How did you get 800,000? AFAIK, the arks can carry 100,000 apiece - that's 400,000. Still a lot of course.
And they do all look the same.
What's going on there? Cloning?
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Post by kino on Apr 20, 2017 18:11:44 GMT
Well, it is a migration/colonization effort. I don't think the species representation is that far fetched.
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Post by babe145869 on Apr 21, 2017 0:39:49 GMT
If you look at the Milky Way map, in the OT, then Andromeda's map, all we are seeing is 1 cluster of Andromeda , vs the whole Milky Way galaxy, we don't see every race in 1 random cluster, in the OT. We do on the stations, but think of the Hades Gamma cluster, it's big, but did we see all the races we eventually ran across by the end of ME3? I don't remember even seeing all the races in the 1st game, let lone 1st cluster. I beleave the plan was to start with just 2 organic races, then possibly in future dlc's or future games, add in more races much like the OT.
So we have a lot of familiar races, but just because we met only 2 (or 3 if you count the remnants) races, it doesn't mean those are the only races we will eventually get, if they continue the series.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 21, 2017 1:00:30 GMT
The Arks carry 20,000 people each. This is explicitly stated. I'm not sure how many were on the Nexus, but I think that was also around 20,000. So 100,000 total approximately.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Apr 21, 2017 1:20:31 GMT
Say 120,000 if you include the Qurian ark, but how many Asari, Turians, and Salarians didnt make it? Those arks may have only had half their pods survive, or less.And not everyone is out of cryo yet. I would guess by the end if the game there's only 40,000-50,000 Milky Way individuals awake in Andromeda.
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Post by maxon on Apr 22, 2017 15:08:24 GMT
Yeah - I seem to remember 20,000 per ark in the diaglogue. I was going off what it said in the wiki - someone must have got it wrong. But whatever, nowhere near 800,000.
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Post by caridounette on Apr 22, 2017 18:33:26 GMT
I would have stettled with knowing a handful of them better. I dont need to see all the colonists (anyway, they endup looking the same, as stated), but would have enjoyed getting attached to some of the colonies, maybe diffrent Ryders could feel closer to diffrent colonies. Things started well with Podromos, but after that its busywork and little emotional involvement with any colonist. Theres just too many to distinguish.
The planets feel diffrent, yes, but the colonies, and colonists, do not. Some can give you their background but it all becomes just background noise.
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Post by Laughing_Crow on Apr 23, 2017 22:29:25 GMT
Well, there must have been a secret ark of criminals (unknown population) The impression I get from the story with the Nexus and exiles, was they didn't have a lot of people out of cryo, yet there's a large enough population of Krogan to start a colony, lots of crooks, bandits and pirates where ever you go in Heleus. Supposedly we've got the Krogan genophage that keeps their population down and supposedly humans under some form of birth control. I don't recall seeing how many were aboard the Nexus, but the Nexus survivors seemed stuck with keeping the population low because of low resources.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 23, 2017 22:46:00 GMT
And yet they all look the same. I knew I wasn't having a stroke. Painting faces is not the same as different faces. Unless I missed somewhere in the narration that they're all clones.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 23, 2017 22:48:30 GMT
Well, it is a migration/colonization effort. I don't think the species representation is that far fetched. You need serious funds to pull that off. Unfortunately, not every race had it and this is pretty much a last-ditch effort to get some species to survive a very possible catastrophic and genocidal win by the Reapers. I'm just surprised the Volus didn't make it onto a ship because they're big-time money handlers.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 23, 2017 23:02:53 GMT
The Arks carry 20,000 people each. This is explicitly stated. I'm not sure how many were on the Nexus, but I think that was also around 20,000. So 100,000 total approximately. Indeed it is by Alec himself. "we'er marooned 20,000 souls adrift at sea. When the power runs out, stays out. We need to know if that's safe harbour." He says this before traveling to Habitat 7 with you in the prologue. Saw this scene again yesterday after starting my second MEA playthrough as Scott.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 23, 2017 23:49:32 GMT
Well, there must have been a secret ark of criminals (unknown population) The impression I get from the story with the Nexus and exiles, was they didn't have a lot of people out of cryo, yet there's a large enough population of Krogan to start a colony, lots of crooks, bandits and pirates where ever you go in Heleus. Supposedly we've got the Krogan genophage that keeps their population down and supposedly humans under some form of birth control. I don't recall seeing how many were aboard the Nexus, but the Nexus survivors seemed stuck with keeping the population low because of low resources. Another example of poor writing. 1) by the Andromeda Initiative start (~75?) and Ark launch (85)... Quarians were considered squatter and vagabonds of the galaxy, no idea why anyone would give them an invitation to the Andromeda Initiative 2) why put the unstable, aggressive Krogan onto the Nexus?? Maybe to have some ground troops security? But then again, they got turians too... 3) Turians... THE most uptight and disciplined race in the galaxy, sure there are "bad" ones... but noone would put anyone with a "criminal" mindset on your forward station going far far away 4) Why is all the tech (Nexus, Arks, Outposts) of human design? Even all the shuttles are human. I can see why the other major races (Asari, Salarian, Turian) are part of the AI, but why arent their arks of their own race design? (Yah yah sure, anything can be justified, especialy this, like they had no time to design 4 different arks, but hey, we got 4 races working on this... look at the Normandy or Tempest, it does not look like the typical humantech, so we could expect the nexus and the arks to be of mixed design, whatever.) 5) And last but not least... this "numbers" are bugging me. Like Laughing Crow said, there were actualy not that many people out of cryo before the Nexus uprising. But there are human/turian/asari outlaws everywhere in large numbers... (just checking the stats, 980 outlaws killed..., at this rate, the human population will be decimaded by the end of my game) This whole uprising makes no sense, if you are going to send someone ahead of the arks to serve as a forward operation base, you are going to hire only extremely reliable, disciplined people who keep their bearings together, no matter how badly south things go.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 23, 2017 23:57:14 GMT
I think I'd go with pandering rather than poor writing with the quarians. We've had plenty of people asking for quarians even if they shouldn't really be in Andromeda.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 24, 2017 0:10:24 GMT
Well, there must have been a secret ark of criminals (unknown population) The impression I get from the story with the Nexus and exiles, was they didn't have a lot of people out of cryo, yet there's a large enough population of Krogan to start a colony, lots of crooks, bandits and pirates where ever you go in Heleus. Supposedly we've got the Krogan genophage that keeps their population down and supposedly humans under some form of birth control. I don't recall seeing how many were aboard the Nexus, but the Nexus survivors seemed stuck with keeping the population low because of low resources. Another example of poor writing. 1) by the Andromeda Initiative start (~75?) and Ark launch (85)... Quarians were considered squatter and vagabonds of the galaxy, no idea why anyone would give them an invitation to the Andromeda Initiative 2) why put the unstable, aggressive Krogan onto the Nexus?? Maybe to have some ground troops security? But then again, they got turians too... 3) Turians... THE most uptight and disciplined race in the galaxy, sure there are "bad" ones... but noone would put anyone with a "criminal" mindset on your forward station going far far away 4) Why is all the tech (Nexus, Arks, Outposts) of human design? Even all the shuttles are human. I can see why the other major races (Asari, Salarian, Turian) are part of the AI, but why arent their arks of their own race design? (Yah yah sure, anything can be justified, especialy this, like they had no time to design 4 different arks, but hey, we got 4 races working on this... look at the Normandy or Tempest, it does not look like the typical humantech, so we could expect the nexus and the arks to be of mixed design, whatever.) 5) And last but not least... this "numbers" are bugging me. Like Laughing Crow said, there were actualy not that many people out of cryo before the Nexus uprising. But there are human/turian/asari outlaws everywhere in large numbers... (just checking the stats, 980 outlaws killed..., at this rate, the human population will be decimaded by the end of my game)This whole uprising makes no sense, if you are going to send someone ahead of the arks to serve as a forward operation base, you are going to hire only extremely reliable, disciplined people who keep their bearings together, no matter how badly south things go. Boom! Goes Garrus' sniper rifle... head shot. However, there is a counterpoint to this: Every colonization effort, historically from an Earthly view, was usually done by adventurers, desperadoes, indentured servants, etc. I can't remember who said it here, but you're not going to send the very best to sacrifice everything they love on a risk. The people that you will get are ready for a new life and who knows what is motivating them. Though, N7 knew about the initiative and would've had to go through their ranks to find suitable candidates, you can't tell the quality of the soldier going. It could be used as an excuse to get a team member that wasn't performing in their unit. It's a crap shoot at best and whoever you are... you're right.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 24, 2017 0:16:44 GMT
Another example of poor writing. Why didn't a pathfinder travel with the Nexus?
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Post by kino on Apr 24, 2017 0:30:12 GMT
Well, it is a migration/colonization effort. I don't think the species representation is that far fetched. You need serious funds to pull that off. Unfortunately, not every race had it and this is pretty much a last-ditch effort to get some species to survive a very possible catastrophic and genocidal win by the Reapers. I'm just surprised the Volus didn't make it onto a ship because they're big-time money handlers. Oh, there's no doubt serious money is being spent here. There's, what, the Nexus, four arks, supplies and cryo stasis pods to account for? And that's just a big ticket list. I'm guessing that there are Volus, maybe, on the last ark. I hope so, anyway. It'd be a boring universe without them.
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Post by kino on Apr 24, 2017 0:33:22 GMT
Well, there must have been a secret ark of criminals (unknown population) The impression I get from the story with the Nexus and exiles, was they didn't have a lot of people out of cryo, yet there's a large enough population of Krogan to start a colony, lots of crooks, bandits and pirates where ever you go in Heleus. Supposedly we've got the Krogan genophage that keeps their population down and supposedly humans under some form of birth control. I don't recall seeing how many were aboard the Nexus, but the Nexus survivors seemed stuck with keeping the population low because of low resources. Actually, that's a part of the dialog at one point and how coming out of cryo affects some people. Since this isn't the spoilers section I don't want to say too much about it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 24, 2017 0:35:10 GMT
Another example of poor writing. Why didn't a pathfinder travel with the Nexus? BOOM! Goes the Common Sense Laser Pointer... You want to lead from the front, not from the back... unless you're a Turian Naval Commander, then it all makes sense.
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Post by dev on Apr 24, 2017 0:40:42 GMT
It would be interesting if they made note of everyone you come across and list the ones you know are dead. if all humans came from the milky way then there is a finite number.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Apr 24, 2017 0:42:50 GMT
Another example of poor writing. Why didn't a pathfinder travel with the Nexus? Why not Alec and the Ryders? He has the most advanced SAM, he has been working with Garsen the whole time, you would think Alec would be among the first to arrive. But, there are plot holes throughout the game big enough to fly the Hyperion through. The one that bugs me the most is the exiles have been on Kadara for about a year. An ANGARAN planet. Yet both species pretend they never saw each other until you show up on Aya. Why, on arriving at the Nexus, dont you get briefed on them and the Kett? Ultimately, to enjoy the game, you just have to treat it like a third person shooter, and the story is just for setting. A shame, since story telling used to be the strong suit.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 24, 2017 0:46:47 GMT
There are 100.000 in the entiry Initiative. On the Nexus, just a couple of thousand. The Arks are the ones carrying the mother load of pioneers.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 24, 2017 1:05:58 GMT
Boom! Goes Garrus' sniper rifle... head shot. However, there is a counterpoint to this: Every colonization effort, historically from an Earthly view, was usually done by adventurers, desperadoes, indentured servants, etc. I can't remember who said it here, but you're not going to send the very best to sacrifice everything they love on a risk. The people that you will get are ready for a new life and who knows what is motivating them. Though, N7 knew about the initiative and would've had to go through their ranks to find suitable candidates, you can't tell the quality of the soldier going. It could be used as an excuse to get a team member that wasn't performing in their unit. It's a crap shoot at best and whoever you are... you're right. You got a point, but then again, such people will make the bulk of the ark population. Forward bases were established by military, it took years for a "fort" to actualy grow and few more before colonists were moving in. So, maybe they would not send their best, but surely not instable people who would jeopardize the whole endeavor.
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