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Post by decafhigh on Apr 23, 2017 9:28:19 GMT
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 9:32:18 GMT
Skyrim's radiant quest system. Quality content? If you consider the radiant quests all of or even a bulk of the side content I'd say you have never played the game. The radiant quests in Skyrim are filler more akin to MEA's plant and rock scanning. Which was exactly my point. ME:A's tasks were filler, no doubt, but they were well done filler that fit in with the world building and lore. Radiant quests were just random quests with no real purpose other than go here and do this. Which one you like better is personal preference, but saying that Skyrim's filler is better than ME:A's filler is just...well...wrong. The meatier side quests in ME:A were at least on par with the meatier Skyrim sidequests.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 23, 2017 9:36:38 GMT
Geralt is pretty much the ultimate male fantasy in a lot of ways: a complete bad ass who can pretty much have any women with no consequence (because he's infertile! How handy!), who all women desire to be with. No wonder he's a popular character for a lot of people. He is also the ultimate female fantasy... A man completely foolishly in love with a woman who treated him like crap for a long time. Cheated on HIM while he never did while they were together. He's the best dad who ever lived. All he wants is to be around his two girls. Just because the game gives players the OPTION to sleep with a couple of women that Geralt knows doesn't make him a womanizing asshole. "My" Geralt was faithful to Yennefer and only concerned with finding his daughter. Any woman would be lucky to find a guy like that in rea life. They even made Geralt a lot more attractive in W3. I found him utterly repulsive in W2 but in 3 with the right haircut and armor he looks really hot. W3 does not only cater to male gamers. The amount of ignorant misinformation spread here about this series as a knee jerk reaction to the MEA backlash is amazing. Second it! I'm a straight male, but I have to admit Geralt is extremely charming.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 23, 2017 9:36:54 GMT
1) you have exceptionally low standards for what a man should be for a woman 2) it's not ignorant information, nor is it a knee jerk reaction to this apparent 'backlash'. It's remarkable how intolerant of any criticism of the witcher 3 people are. Nah bro, you just proved her point. - "The amount of ignorant misinformation spread here about this series as a knee jerk reaction to the MEA backlash is amazing." I doubt you've even played TW3. It's sad, because the ability to actually role-play Geralt in a variety of ways (evil / kind / womanizer / hopeless romantic / etc) is so much deeper than the ever-snarky Ryder twins, but so many of you can't get past how you can't design your own hipster face with a spray-painted beard. Aahw, how cute, suikoden telling other people they 'can't get over things' after devoting months of his life hating on a game. Most of that time the game wasn't even released yet.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 23, 2017 9:38:50 GMT
If you consider the radiant quests all of or even a bulk of the side content I'd say you have never played the game. The radiant quests in Skyrim are filler more akin to MEA's plant and rock scanning. Which was exactly my point. ME:A's tasks were filler, no doubt, but they were well done filler that fit in with the world building and lore. Radiant quests were just random quests with no real purpose other than go here and do this. Which one you like better is personal preference, but saying that Skyrim's filler is better than ME:A's filler is just...well...wrong. The meatier side quests in ME:A were at least on par with the meatier Skyrim sidequests. If you consider scanning rocks great world building we'll just have to agree to disagree. At least the radiant quests in Skyrim have small bits of actual story around them, like returning a family heirloom or completing some guild tasks. I'll take that any day of the week.
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Post by friffy on Apr 23, 2017 9:51:18 GMT
He is also the ultimate female fantasy... A man completely foolishly in love with a woman who treated him like crap for a long time. Cheated on HIM while he never did while they were together. He's the best dad who ever lived. All he wants is to be around his two girls. Just because the game gives players the OPTION to sleep with a couple of women that Geralt knows doesn't make him a womanizing asshole. "My" Geralt was faithful to Yennefer and only concerned with finding his daughter. Any woman would be lucky to find a guy like that in rea life. They even made Geralt a lot more attractive in W3. I found him utterly repulsive in W2 but in 3 with the right haircut and armor he looks really hot. W3 does not only cater to male gamers. The amount of ignorant misinformation spread here about this series as a knee jerk reaction to the MEA backlash is amazing. Second it! I'm a straight male, but I have to admit Geralt is extremely charming. I'm a straight female and my answer to Kappa Neko: He might be your "ultimate female fantasy" - not mine. Certainly not mine. So please don't say "the". and to panzerwhz: Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. And Charme. Charme even more, I guess. And my two cents about TES or FO being so great games: No one would even care to play them for more then one or two times if it wasn't for the sheer amount of mods. That's the real greatness of Beth games - you can turn every one of them into your "private wonderland". And that's also the reason I love Beth games. Not their "jawdropping "main story. Their "amazing" side quests. It's the modding tools. But as I said, just MHO.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 23, 2017 9:54:54 GMT
Second it! I'm a straight male, but I have to admit Geralt is extremely charming. I'm a straight female and my answer to Kappa Neko: He might be your "ultimate female fantasy" - not mine. Certainly not mine. and to panzerwhz: Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. And Charme. Charme even more, I guess. We all have out particular tastes. If I could play as Ciri on a mission to save my beloved Yennefer, now we got a game I am interested in.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 23, 2017 10:04:27 GMT
Nah bro, you just proved her point. - "The amount of ignorant misinformation spread here about this series as a knee jerk reaction to the MEA backlash is amazing." I doubt you've even played TW3. It's sad, because the ability to actually role-play Geralt in a variety of ways (evil / kind / womanizer / hopeless romantic / etc) is so much deeper than the ever-snarky Ryder twins, but so many of you can't get past how you can't design your own hipster face with a spray-painted beard. Aahw, how cute, suikoden telling other people they 'can't get over things' after devoting months of his life hating on a game. Most of that time the game wasn't even released yet. You've yet to convince me you're not twelve.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 23, 2017 10:12:14 GMT
"My" Geralt was faithful to Yennefer and only concerned with finding his daughter. Any woman would be lucky to find a guy like that in rea life. W3 does not only cater to male gamers. The amount of ignorant misinformation spread here about this series as a knee jerk reaction to the MEA backlash is amazing. 1) you have exceptionally low standards for what a man should be for a woman 2) it's not ignorant information, nor is it a knee jerk reaction to this apparent 'backlash'. It's remarkable how intolerant of any criticism of the witcher 3 people are. LOL Enlighten me what's so awful about Geralt then. This is going to be good. I do have issues with W3, mainly their poor handling of Yennefer and her relationship with Ciri which does the novels a GREAT disservice.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 23, 2017 10:15:20 GMT
1) you have exceptionally low standards for what a man should be for a woman 2) it's not ignorant information, nor is it a knee jerk reaction to this apparent 'backlash'. It's remarkable how intolerant of any criticism of the witcher 3 people are. LOL Enlighten me what's so awful about Geralt then. This is going to be good. I do have issues with W3, mainly their poor handling of Yennefer and her relationship with Ciri which does the novels a GREAT disservice. You gotta remember, he got ALL the sex cards in Witcher 2, so he knows what he's talking about! He knows what women want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 10:17:25 GMT
1) you have exceptionally low standards for what a man should be for a woman 2) it's not ignorant information, nor is it a knee jerk reaction to this apparent 'backlash'. It's remarkable how intolerant of any criticism of the witcher 3 people are. LOL Enlighten me what's so awful about Geralt then. This is going to be good. I do have issues with W3, mainly their poor handling of Yennefer and her relationship with Ciri which does the novels a GREAT disservice. No issues with Eredin? The best villain ever! 12 lines of dialogue and they are all non sencical.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 23, 2017 10:18:52 GMT
Second it! I'm a straight male, but I have to admit Geralt is extremely charming. I'm a straight female and my answer to Kappa Neko: He might be your "ultimate female fantasy" - not mine. Certainly not mine. So please don't say "the". and to panzerwhz: Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. And Charme. Charme even more, I guess. And my two cents about TES or FO being so great games: No one would even care to play them for more then one or two times if it wasn't for the sheer amount of mods. That's the real greatness of Beth games - you can turn every one of them into your "private wonderland". And that's also the reason I love Beth games. Not their "jawdropping "main story. Their "amazing" side quests. It's the modding tools. But as I said, just MHO. I was just responding to the ultimate male fantasy line which is also a sweeping generalization that does not apply to every male gamer. No need to take offense.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 23, 2017 10:27:38 GMT
Aahw, how cute, suikoden telling other people they 'can't get over things' after devoting months of his life hating on a game. Most of that time the game wasn't even released yet. You've yet to convince me you're not twelve. Woah, I feel so insulted now. Being called a 12 year old by some random dude on the internet who devotes a significant portion of his life hating on a video game. I need a tissue to wipe all these tears, I'm shattered to be honest. How can you be so cruel?
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Post by vonuber on Apr 23, 2017 10:28:21 GMT
You gotta remember, he got ALL the sex cards in Witcher 2, so he knows what he's talking about! He knows what women want. Witcher 1 - for such a fan I'm surprised you'd make such a basic error. And it's not about Geralt having something wrong - he's just nothing unusual from the normal protagonist you get, just in a fantasy setting. It's hardly groundbreaking is it.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 23, 2017 10:30:01 GMT
No issues with Eredin? The best villain ever! 12 lines of dialogue and they are all non sencical. Don't care that much for Eredin... My biggest gripe really is with making a great complex character such as Yennefer very unlikable in favor of Triss, a minor backstabbing character who's suddenly the big hero. Triss is a nice person in the games. Always liked her. But the change from the original character is jarring to say the least. I'm a big fan of Yennefer and found her interactions with Ciri among the best in the books. Hence my disappointment... Emhyr is also watered down and far more heartless than in the books. But that is to be expected from a game that is basically just really good fan fiction most of the time. Geralt is very close to the novels in W3 though when you play him a certain way. And that's awesome.
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Post by Marduk on Apr 23, 2017 10:34:49 GMT
Bioware is indeed struggling with their semi open worlds among other things, although i don't necessarily agree with everything written there and many other companies struggle in different aspects too with some exceptions. as for VG247...i highly doubt they care about quality and Bioware's heart that much with all their high profile tags for the sake of more clicks.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 23, 2017 11:08:51 GMT
Eredin is minor character in books anyway. As for the most dangerous seekers of Ciri, he is hardly in the top 5 (Vilgefortz,Philippa,Leo Bonhart, Duny the hedgehog, Avallac'h). I also agree CDPR start the whole Yenna vs Triss thing for no explainable reasons at all. Traitors shall be burned (Triss you know what I mean)!
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Post by friffy on Apr 23, 2017 11:40:28 GMT
I'm a straight female and my answer to Kappa Neko: He might be your "ultimate female fantasy" - not mine. Certainly not mine. So please don't say "the". and to panzerwhz: Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. And Charme. Charme even more, I guess. And my two cents about TES or FO being so great games: No one would even care to play them for more then one or two times if it wasn't for the sheer amount of mods. That's the real greatness of Beth games - you can turn every one of them into your "private wonderland". And that's also the reason I love Beth games. Not their "jawdropping "main story. Their "amazing" side quests. It's the modding tools. But as I said, just MHO. I was just responding to the ultimate male fantasy line which is also a sweeping generalization that does not apply to every male gamer. No need to take offense. I was not offended, I just wanted to point out that I have a different meaning.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 23, 2017 11:48:46 GMT
Eredin is minor character in books anyway. As for the most dangerous seekers of Ciri, he is hardly in the top 5 (Vilgefortz,Philippa,Leo Bonhart, Duny the hedgehog, Avallac'h). I also agree CDPR start the whole Yenna vs Triss thing for no explainable reasons at all. Traitors shall be burned (Triss you know what I mean)! A friend told me he read an interview that explains that the author forbid CDPR to use certain characters because he was worried they'd mess up. He didn't want his legacy soiled. Understandable. Specifically Yennefer. He didn't care about Triss, a minor character. So Triss basically replaced Yen in the games... for W3 CDPR was given more freedom apparently because the author was fine with the portrayal of his characters. Only now he is really unhappy with how gamers see Geralt and Ciri and Yennefer in isolation. And reading all these incorrect superficial opinions about Geralt the unfeeling womanizer and Yen the bitch, fantasizing about Geralt fucking Ciri, I can understand. Few people who read the novels picked Triss over Yennefer, I would think. But the game greatly favors Triss. And most people who played the game picked Triss. And why wouldn't they when she's so sweet there? Despite these character gripes as a fan of the novels, W3 was the best gaming experience since the trilogy for me. I had no appreciation for Geralt when I played W2 before reading the novels ten years ago. I found him dull. W3 went all out on the emotions and finally put the family theme on center stage. The game also nailed the great sense of humor. I cannot recommend the novels enough. They are 50% banter. As a fan of character driven stories these are GREAT. Very Dragon Age like with Geralt's merry band of misfits. The world is nothing special. The characters are the engaging memorable part. It's a very moving poignant epic family love story that rips your heart out at the end. Nothing juvenile about the novels. Very grown up contemplation of life.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2017 12:02:35 GMT
I'm a straight female and my answer to Kappa Neko: He might be your "ultimate female fantasy" - not mine. Certainly not mine. and to panzerwhz: Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. And Charme. Charme even more, I guess. We all have out particular tastes. If I could play as Ciri on a mission to save my beloved Yennefer, now we got a game I am interested in. It'd be almost like getting F!Hawke back, since Jo Wyatt is the voice here.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 23, 2017 12:02:47 GMT
I can understand why you guys are dissatisfied, but I think that it's better to think on TW games as their own thing - an alternate universe if you will. I didn't read the books for precisely this reason. I didn't want the game to ruin the books for me or vice-versa. That is certainly true. It's definitely the case that the games are mostly an alternate universe where certain things play out very different. However, in my case I hadn't read the final novel yet when W3 came out because it hadn't been translated into English yet. And in retrospect I wish I had waited. Imo the games spoil the novels much more than the other way round. The W2 intro tells you how the final book ends for example... Always better to read the source material first. The games are much better with all the background info even when some things are VERY different, like the Wild Hunt. (I'll stop with the Witcher fan girl posts now.)
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 23, 2017 12:11:35 GMT
Eredin is minor character in books anyway. As for the most dangerous seekers of Ciri, he is hardly in the top 5 (Vilgefortz,Philippa,Leo Bonhart, Duny the hedgehog, Avallac'h). I also agree CDPR start the whole Yenna vs Triss thing for no explainable reasons at all. Traitors shall be burned (Triss you know what I mean)! A friend told me he read an interview that explains that the author forbid CDPR to use certain characters because he was worried they'd mess up. He didn't want his legacy soiled. Understandable. Specifically Yennefer. He didn't care about Triss, a minor character. So Triss basically replaced Yen in the games... for W3 CDPR was given more freedom apparently because the author was fine with the portrayal of his characters. Only now he is really unhappy with how gamers see Geralt and Ciri and Yennefer in isolation. And reading all these incorrect superficial opinions about Geralt the unfeeling womanizer and Yen the bitch, fantasizing about Geralt fucking Ciri, I can understand. Few people who read the novels picked Triss over Yennefer, I would think. But the game greatly favors Triss. And most people who played the game picked Triss. And why wouldn't they when she's so sweet there? Despite these character gripes as a fan of the novels, W3 was the best gaming experience since the trilogy for me. I had no appreciation for Geralt when I played W2 before reading the novels ten years ago. I found him dull. W3 went all out on the emotions and finally put the family theme on center stage. The game also nailed the great sense of humor. I cannot recommend the novels enough. They are 50% banter. As a fan of character driven stories these are GREAT. Very Dragon Age like with Geralt's merry band of misfits. The world is nothing special. The characters are the engaging memorable part. It's a very moving poignant epic family love story that rips your heart out at the end. Nothing juvenile about the novels. Very grown up contemplation of life. Agreed, Geralt, Yen and Ciri is a family, there is simply not other room for Triss to get involved. So I'm blaming CDPR to start this whole Triss mess. On the other hand, TW3 really catches the spirit of the novels - strikingly humane moment in desperate time/situations. I'm so sad this was not in TW3. But one could hope. ‘Thank you, Lady Philippa,’ Ciri said after a few moments, squeezing the head of the sphinxes in her hands. ‘I also feel honoured with the proposal to take the surname de Tansarville. However, it seems to me that my new last name is the only thing that I can choose for myself, I thank the two mistresses. But I want to be called Cirilla of Vengerberg, daughter of Yennefer.’
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 23, 2017 12:13:58 GMT
When you compare Fallout 1 and 2 with Fallout 3 and 4, Skyrim with Morrorwind, it is almost sad to see that Bethesda still gets so much praise. Seems everyone is guilty of fanboyism these days People who play Bethesda games know how they are. They are given a pass more or less I feel because they do what hardly any other studios do and that is release a mod kit to go with it. Don't like how things are handled, you can create it how you want it or wait until some modder does it. I have 3500+ hrs sunk into Skyrim for that very reason. I looks and plays like a completely different game for me. Bioware doesn't like their games modded so no support is given. It's also console focused so they don't really care about what can be done with a PC since it gives them less revenue. At least Bethesda is trying to bridge that gap between what can be done with computers and consoles.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 23, 2017 12:16:16 GMT
If you consider the radiant quests all of or even a bulk of the side content I'd say you have never played the game. The radiant quests in Skyrim are filler more akin to MEA's plant and rock scanning. Which was exactly my point. ME:A's tasks were filler, no doubt, but they were well done filler that fit in with the world building and lore. Radiant quests were just random quests with no real purpose other than go here and do this. Which one you like better is personal preference, but saying that Skyrim's filler is better than ME:A's filler is just...well...wrong. The meatier side quests in ME:A were at least on par with the meatier Skyrim sidequests. While some MEAs task-fillers were done fine, most were not. Comparing MEA tasks to Skyrim radiant quests is like comparing apples to potatoes. The TES games are not designed/developed with big "main story" in mind (thats why they are "poor" and only take like 5-10hours... while playing, ie, Skyrim will still take like 500+ hours... so go figure). The point about this whole system is... you can not have a RL like job in a game like Skyrim... lets assume you are a barber, what do you want? Siting n hours in front of the monitor, having NPCs walk in your shop and you doing their hair? Well, that gets old pretty fast and we do not play games for this. So basicaly, when main story is done, all the side content is done, we still got a world we can live in and our only job that distract from RL is something like a mercenary... and the radiant quests, dynamic in design, provide that, you never run out of work. This is completely different with BioWare games, now MEA. It is designed and developed around a story, once the story is done, all the sidequests (and tasks), you are done with the game and have to replay and replay and replay. it does not matter if MEA world is open or not, it is not dynamic, it does not live, and we do not get random tasks/jobs/whatever to do. When everthing is done, it is done, game finished. That said, MEA tasks are just low quality filler to prolong the actual gameplay time a little bit more, before you finish it.I am at 99% completition now, with 2 tasks I can not finish due to bugs and I am done. I now have to restart or wait for a DLC, since there is just nothing to do. The world does not evolve, never did. There is nothing to do. It is different with Skyrim, I am done with the main story, I am done with all the side quests. And I now run around looking for this random radiant quests to have some work... well do not forget the modding.... I can load seasonal retextures to have winter, spring, summer, fall... and I get new quests to do, sure new "content" and stuff isnt as good as something official (though Falksaar is quite good.... have like 10times the size of a ME DLC) and is not released as often as in 2012/13 but still.
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 23, 2017 12:27:12 GMT
The Fallout series is my favorite gaming series but Fallout 4 has a lot of the same problems that MEA has. People say there is no renegade option in MEA well you can't be evil Fallout 4 unless you buy the Nuka World dlc. MEA has 4 shade of paragon and Fallout 4 has Yes, Question, Sarcastic and Maybe(yes). Just like MEA Fallout 4 improved on combat but it suffered everywhere else. Fully agree. FO4 was a big disappointment to me for some of the same reasons MEA is. They both have a better combat experience (though I don't like the new restrictions forced upon me with with this profile system) and the world building, but the story/rpg aspect of the game is weaker and more streamlined. FONV balanced these out really well and is my favorite.
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