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Post by cotheer on Apr 26, 2017 11:24:45 GMT
If you're doing 1080p gaming (and planning on staying at that for long time), 1080ti (and to some extent 1070) is an overkill. So you can save some money by going 1060 by NVidia or RX580 by AMD. If you decide to go above 1080p at some point, you can either buy the 1080(ti) now (more expensive) or buy it when you decide to get a new monitor at which point the card will be cheaper. As a side note, never had a single problem with AMD drivers (clean install is a must, people). As for CPU, I'd go for Ryzen 5 (Ryzen 7 is not really worth getting if you're mainly gaming): 1) More bang for the buck from the get go (ie. 1600x has 6C/12T as opposed to 7600K with 4C/4T for virtually same price) 2) You won't need to change the motherboard for at least 4 years (in case you need to change CPU in the meantime) 3) Future proof, more and more games will require more cores/threads, not lessYou just went full AMD. NEVER go full AMD. Especially when there are games that only recently switched to 64bit. Fewer stronger cores do better than several weaker ones, because you can count on that performance in everything, even if someone forgot to make it 64bit. If you're changing your rig every year or so, it would arguably make sense to get what's currently "in" (intel), but if you're changing it every 3-4 years, it only makes sense to get something that'll only get better (and is on par with what's currently "in") (Ryzen). And no, i didn't go full AMD, i still have 2500K for crying out loud, i'm just someone who thinks more economically.
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Post by Serza on Apr 26, 2017 11:27:46 GMT
You just went full AMD. NEVER go full AMD. Especially when there are games that only recently switched to 64bit. Fewer stronger cores do better than several weaker ones, because you can count on that performance in everything, even if someone forgot to make it 64bit. If you're changing your rig every year or so, it would arguably make sense to get what's currently "in" (intel), but if you're changing it every 3-4 years, it only makes sense to get something that'll only get better (and is on par with what's currently "in") (Ryzen). And no, i didn't go full AMD, i still have 2500K for crying out loud, i'm just someone who thinks more economically. A 2500K? Mine wants to high five yours. Still, I'm an Intel guy. Sorry, but AMD has nothing in store that would seriously interest me. It's in their philosophy of massive amounts of cores compared to Intel's fewer weak ones. It's the way I think. Plus ArmA still favors Intel, and that's the only game I've been playing over a decade.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 26, 2017 11:38:15 GMT
If you're changing your rig every year or so, it would arguably make sense to get what's currently "in" (intel), but if you're changing it every 3-4 years, it only makes sense to get something that'll only get better (and is on par with what's currently "in") (Ryzen). And no, i didn't go full AMD, i still have 2500K for crying out loud, i'm just someone who thinks more economically. A 2500K? Mine wants to high five yours. Still, I'm an Intel guy. Sorry, but AMD has nothing in store that would seriously interest me. It's in their philosophy of massive amounts of cores compared to Intel's fewer weak ones. It's the way I think. Plus ArmA still favors Intel, and that's the only game I've been playing over a decade. Yeah, I admit, even today it's a great CPU. *2500K high fives*
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2017 13:16:51 GMT
IMO don't combine amd and intel or amd and nvidia it doesn't always work out well. I7 and 1080ti would be great. For 4K though you'd need a minor a 4.0-4.6 CPU and two 1080ti's to have decent FPS. Yes, thank you. The consensus is definitely i7 and 1080ti which I'm pricing at about $1200 with taxes. If the monitor is 30" is 4K really important? No not at that size imo.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 26, 2017 13:41:55 GMT
IMO don't combine amd and intel or amd and nvidia it doesn't always work out well. I7 and 1080ti would be great. For 4K though you'd need a minor a 4.0-4.6 CPU and two 1080ti's to have decent FPS. Why?
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2017 14:19:11 GMT
IMO don't combine amd and intel or amd and nvidia it doesn't always work out well. I7 and 1080ti would be great. For 4K though you'd need a minor a 4.0-4.6 CPU and two 1080ti's to have decent FPS. Why? In my experience they have trouble communicating. Sometimes the two types of architecture don't work well together.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 26, 2017 14:43:53 GMT
In my experience they have trouble communicating. Sometimes the two types of architecture don't work well together. For example?
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Post by scouserant23 on Apr 26, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
I'm looking to upgrade my PC. This summer I'm going to use some of my traveling funds to buy a rig. I check constantly with Joker Productions and other techie YouTubers, but I want to hear from Bioware fans. Basically a rig to run Frostbite. Clarification: I'm asking programmers who have experience on Frostbite which is the best combo to pull Ultra settings at 60fps and can handle it for three years or so. Also, a big thanks to all those looking to save me money. Whether it be PC parts or getting a console, all of your advice is great. In a perfect world, I would love to get the rig under $2500 with a monitor (no need for gaming keyboard, Razer gamepad, Thrustmaster flight control stick, XBOX controller, HK speaker set and gaming mouse because I'm good on that.) and a PS4 because Horizon Zero Dawn and the Last of Us are games I'm wanting to play. PS4's are just so hard to obtain around here. My friend Paul got his through some garage sale app. Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Gamestop are always out of PS4s, Switches, NES Classic systems. They go fast. Like truck is outside at 2pm on a Wednesday. You better be there gangster-ready to claim one.If you were to build a PC that won't get upgraded for about three years, what type of processor, mobo, and GPU would you recommend? Update 1: Budget is $3500. Update 2: A monitor at least 30" wide. For example: Newsync B320X SonicBoom 32" 144Hz 1920 x 1080 Gaming Monitor VA Panel 1ms (OD) Update 3: Ventilation issues. The desk setup is a closed PC portal with only the back side open. Water cooling absolutely necessary. Update 4: Separate sound card. I don't see anything more than $100 that I can't use with a good set of headgear or 7.1 speaker system. At 1080p The GTX1080 is overkill the GTX1080Titan = waste of money. The GTX1080 is a future proof for 2k resolutions The GTX1080 Titan is for 4k/ 2k144hz though it will require Sli in the not to distant future for 4k thus costing even more money. I would say your best bet is to wait it out for the revision by Nvidia coming in the not to distant future (maybe later this year) and getting the revised 1070 (about the same cost as original 1070) not sure it will be called the 1070 they may go with a new labelling system like 2070. Either way that will future proof 1080p at ultra settings for 3 years. I cannot state enough that if you want to remain at 1080p You are wasting your money on a 1080titan. If you want a computer now and can't wait for the revision models you could either go 1070 (run games at max for at least a year) then get a second 1070 when the upgrade models are released and it drops in price. This will cost you less than buying a 1080 now. With your budget though i'd highly recommend getting a 2k monitor for the graphical beauty. Now if you play FPS a lot go for a 144hz monitor with gsync/freesync then the 1080Titan would be worth it though not sure it will last 3 years pushing out 144fps on max settings for biggest games but it might. If your not an extremly competitive FPS player or MOBA and just play games for fun then go with a standard gaming 2k monitor with 60-70hz refresh rate and go with a 1080.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 26, 2017 15:48:57 GMT
What does programming have to do with buying gaming hardware? Save yourself some money and seriously consider the new AMD's. Gaming. I'll edit the title for clarification. Thank you. I thought the programmers could tell me what they would recommend buying to maximize Frostbite on Ultra at 60fps on a 30" widescreen. No worries. Just programming is software, and programmers often have no idea about hardware.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 26, 2017 16:07:49 GMT
Since when is water cooling "absolutely necessary"? Also...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
It's still an i7! Thank you. And hell yeah, it's cheaper. THANK YOU! Nvm, I just read this "Intel's previous generation i7-4790K and i5-4690K are nearly as fast as Skylake in gaming performance, but they're also the same price as the i5-7600K and i7-7700K. If you have one of these, great, but we wouldn't recommend buying a new LGA1150 part at this time (unless you already have an LGA1150 motherboard and DDR3 memory, or the price is exceptionally attractive)." The shop that will assemble it said they have all the parts you mentioned. This is another great alternative. Thank you.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:19:47 GMT
Since when is water cooling "absolutely necessary"? Also... I think the same Cotheer! BUT! The desk is really horrible at air flow. And last night I drilled out a hole to keep the air flow moving. I'm really not comfortable about that because I used to keep my desk on top of the desk which kept dog hair and dust from building up. Just two days in the antique desk and the lower fan was dirty. Like use the compressor in the garbage, kind of dirty. Thank you.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:24:22 GMT
I'm looking to upgrade my PC. This summer I'm going to use some of my traveling funds to buy a rig. I check constantly with Joker Productions and other techie YouTubers, but I want to hear from Bioware fans. Basically a rig to run Frostbite. Clarification: I'm asking programmers who have experience on Frostbite which is the best combo to pull Ultra settings at 60fps and can handle it for three years or so. Also, a big thanks to all those looking to save me money. Whether it be PC parts or getting a console, all of your advice is great. In a perfect world, I would love to get the rig under $2500 with a monitor (no need for gaming keyboard, Razer gamepad, Thrustmaster flight control stick, XBOX controller, HK speaker set and gaming mouse because I'm good on that.) and a PS4 because Horizon Zero Dawn and the Last of Us are games I'm wanting to play. PS4's are just so hard to obtain around here. My friend Paul got his through some garage sale app. Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Gamestop are always out of PS4s, Switches, NES Classic systems. They go fast. Like truck is outside at 2pm on a Wednesday. You better be there gangster-ready to claim one.If you were to build a PC that won't get upgraded for about three years, what type of processor, mobo, and GPU would you recommend? Update 1: Budget is $3500. Update 2: A monitor at least 30" wide. For example: Newsync B320X SonicBoom 32" 144Hz 1920 x 1080 Gaming Monitor VA Panel 1ms (OD) Update 3: Ventilation issues. The desk setup is a closed PC portal with only the back side open. Water cooling absolutely necessary. Update 4: Separate sound card. I don't see anything more than $100 that I can't use with a good set of headgear or 7.1 speaker system. At 1080p The GTX1080 is overkill the GTX1080Titan = waste of money. The GTX1080 is a future proof for 2k resolutions The GTX1080 Titan is for 4k/ 2k144hz though it will require Sli in the not to distant future for 4k thus costing even more money. I would say your best bet is to wait it out for the revision by Nvidia coming in the not to distant future (maybe later this year) and getting the revised 1070 (about the same cost as original 1070) not sure it will be called the 1070 they may go with a new labelling system like 2070. Either way that will future proof 1080p at ultra settings for 3 years. I cannot state enough that if you want to remain at 1080p You are wasting your money on a 1080titan. If you want a computer now and can't wait for the revision models you could either go 1070 (run games at max for at least a year) then get a second 1070 when the upgrade models are released and it drops in price. This will cost you less than buying a 1080 now. With your budget though i'd highly recommend getting a 2k monitor for the graphical beauty. Now if you play FPS a lot go for a 144hz monitor with gsync/freesync then the 1080Titan would be worth it though not sure it will last 3 years pushing out 144fps on max settings for biggest games but it might. If your not an extremly competitive FPS player or MOBA and just play games for fun then go with a standard gaming 2k monitor with 60-70hz refresh rate and go with a 1080. Crossing out Titan. Great advice. Money spent wisely is more important to me even at the cost of MORE POWER! Thank you. The monitor choice you mentioned is what I'm looking for... enough to get my 60fps or better at the tail end of the three year-end cycle. Then it's just a matter of installing a new CPU and GPU and not having to worry about the rest. The case, cooling, etc. are projected long-term solutions (5-7) years. It may sound like a long time, but I also take pride in craftsmanship and pushing things way past their warranty. And thank you.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:30:14 GMT
In my experience they have trouble communicating. Sometimes the two types of architecture don't work well together. For the last 20 years, I've had six rigs custom made. The majority of them started out as AMD/ATI Radeon combos. I made the mistake twice to replace the ATI card with an nVidia and went through all sorts of hell. Every time, new system install and that was turned out to be a waste of time. All sorts of problems would pop up in different game engines. The worst was Unreal. I also had a i5 in one system and swapped out the nVidia for the current Radeon 7870 I am using. Holy crap. Three days of troubleshooting and I was done. So, for me, I agree with Griffith82, I'm not smart enough (and that's the key issue here, I'm smart enough to be "dangerous") to overcome the issues. I also hate returning the system to the shop with their smug faces. "So, you tried to do this... okay...."
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Post by Nu Titan on Apr 26, 2017 16:31:15 GMT
I haven't read the whole thread, but if you are really only going for 1080p than an i7 + 1080ti is overkill imo. I would go with an i7 7700k + 1070/1080. Also, it should be noted that AMD Vega should be released within the next 2 months (which could also drop the prices of nvidia cards as well).
For CPUs, I recommend to people to either get the Ryzen 5 1600 or Intel i7 7700k depending on budget. Since you have a very high budget, I would go 7700k (technically you could go with higher model i7 but the cost to performance is generally not worth it).
As for people wondering why the R5 over an i5, they are both very close in gaming benchmarks with AMD being better for productivity because of having more cores. The i5 generally has slightly higher average FPS than the R5, but the R5 tends to have better frametimes (more important imo as it leads to smoother feeling gameplay) in high CPU usage games. The Ryzen cpus is also a new platform and as game developers optimize they should get better in time. The R5 1600 has a decent stock cooler so that can save you a little bit as well (generally I don't recommend using Intel stock coolers even if not overclocking).
The 1080ti would be great for 1440p gaming (w/ 144/165 hz monitor). It can do 4k in games now, but in 2-3 years, probably not at 60+ fps. GTX 1080 for 1440p and 60-100 fps or 1080p at 144/165 fps. For others on a budget the AMD RX 480 is generally the best option and is a great card for 1080p gaming.
For 4k gaming, I would honestly wait until the next gen nvidia cards to see how good they are (they should use HBM memory hopefully). AMD Vega is coming very soon, but I don't expect it to be better than the 1080ti or Titan Xp. I'm guessing it will compete with the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 at better price to performance. AMD cards tend to age better as well with performance increases with driver updates while nvidia tends to stop optimizing after a while (they want you to buy the newest cards).
I have built several PC over the years for myself and friends and family with many different combinations (AMD+Nvidia, Intel+Nvidia, AMD+AMD/ATI, Intel+AMD/ATI). For CPUs, they both are fine although Intel has dominated performance-wise over the last decade. It is nice to see Ryzen give the Intel some competition for a change. AMD/ATI graphics drivers had issues many years ago and developed a bad rap, but nowadays they are fine and have no more problems than nvidia. It has been said by some that the Ryzen CPUs don't do as well when paired with Nvidia cards, but that is probably due to Nvidia having to update their drivers to optimize compatibility.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 26, 2017 16:32:10 GMT
I think the same Cotheer! BUT! The desk is really horrible at air flow. And last night I drilled out a hole to keep the air flow moving. I'm really not comfortable about that because I used to keep my desk on top of the desk which kept dog hair and dust from building up. Just two days in the antique desk and the lower fan was dirty. Like use the compressor in the garbage, kind of dirty. Thank you. Well, then you should also invest in a better case with better airflow. As good as water cooling is, its radiator also needs some room to breathe.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:33:13 GMT
Yes, thank you. The consensus is definitely i7 and 1080ti which I'm pricing at about $1200 with taxes. If the monitor is 30" is 4K really important? No not at that size imo. Ok, I may have to go down in size then. I'm not crazy about SLI or dual card stuff. It seems to complicated to get the games to do what their supposed to do. So, Griffith82, I'm checking monitors again. Thanks.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:36:00 GMT
I haven't read the whole thread, but if you are really only going for 1080p than an i7 + 1080ti is overkill imo. I would go with an i7 7700k + 1070/1080. Also, it should be noted that AMD Vega should be released within the next 2 months (which could also drop the prices of nvidia cards as well). For CPUs, I recommend to people to either get the Ryzen 5 1600 or Intel i7 7700k depending on budget. Since you have a very high budget, I would go 7700k (technically you could go with higher model i7 but the cost to performance is generally not worth it).
As for people wondering why the R5 over an i5, they are both very close in gaming benchmarks with AMD being better for productivity because of having more cores. The i5 generally has slightly higher average FPS than the R5, but the R5 tends to have better frametimes (more important imo as it leads to smoother feeling gameplay) in high CPU usage games. The Ryzen cpus is also a new platform and as game developers optimize they should get better in time. The R5 1600 has a decent stock cooler so that can save you a little bit as well (generally I don't recommend using Intel stock coolers even if not overclocking). The 1080ti would be great for 1440p gaming (w/ 144/165 hz monitor). It can do 4k in games now, but in 2-3 years, probably not at 60+ fps. GTX 1080 for 1440p and 60-100 fps or 1080p at 144/165 fps. For others on a budget the AMD RX 480 is generally the best option and is a great card for 1080p gaming. For 4k gaming, I would honestly wait until the next gen nvidia cards to see how good they are (they should use HBM memory hopefully). AMD Vega is coming very soon, but I don't expect it to be better than the 1080ti or Titan Xp. I'm guessing it will compete with the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 at better price to performance. AMD cards tend to age better as well with performance increases with driver updates while nvidia tends to stop optimizing after a while (they want you to buy the newest cards). I have built several PC over the years for myself and friends and family with many different combinations (AMD+Nvidia, Intel+Nvidia, AMD+AMD/ATI, Intel+AMD/ATI). For CPUs, they both are fine although Intel has dominated performance-wise over the last decade. It is nice to see Ryzen give the Intel some competition for a change. AMD/ATI graphics drivers had issues many years ago and developed a bad rap, but nowadays they are fine and have no more problems than nvidia. It has been said by some that the Ryzen CPUs don't do as well when paired with Nvidia cards, but that is probably due to Nvidia having to update their drivers to optimize compatibility. ... Agreed and thank you. Great advice. This rig is turning from an overpriced Ferrari, to a more economical Ford Mustang GT that I can actually put on the road and open her up. I'm also a big fan of AMD because of nothing else other than they're a local company. They're right up the road in Austin and I strongly believe in supporting local, but this time around, I'm ready to keep my options way open.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:42:37 GMT
I think the same Cotheer! BUT! The desk is really horrible at air flow. And last night I drilled out a hole to keep the air flow moving. I'm really not comfortable about that because I used to keep my desk on top of the desk which kept dog hair and dust from building up. Just two days in the antique desk and the lower fan was dirty. Like use the compressor in the garbage, kind of dirty. Thank you. Well, then you should also invest in a better case with better airflow. As good as water cooling is, its radiator also needs some room to breathe. Yeah, learning that now after reading the Water-cooling setups. They're aren't like refrigerators, more like car radiators. So more fans, regardless and clean air flow. I just cut a section of indoor house filter and placed it against the hole, I had to carve out, in the desk (which is an antique, so please forgive me the carpenter who made it) that will be sucking air where my feet will be. I also have two dogs, one is a Belgian Malanois/German shepherd mix (My DOGMEAT! His name is Jack) who goes through periods of shedding. Lots of it. Imperative to keep the air flow unobstructed and clean.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2017 16:42:39 GMT
Ok, I may have to go down in size then. I'm not crazy about SLI or dual card stuff. It seems to complicated to get the games to do what their supposed to do. So, Griffith82, I'm checking monitors again. Thanks. IMO the only reason to consider 4K is if you have a massive monitor or tv like I do. It looks really good in that scenario but not on a monitor. If all you are doing is 1080p a 27inch would work.
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Post by havard on Apr 26, 2017 16:44:43 GMT
What does programming have to do with buying gaming hardware? Save yourself some money and seriously consider the new AMD's. Gaming. I'll edit the title for clarification. Thank you. I thought the programmers could tell me what they would recommend buying to maximize Frostbite on Ultra at 60fps on a 30" widescreen. I would say -never- buy a top-end Nvidia card (XX80) when it's newish. One step down to a 1070, and you'll get the same RAM, and about 85+% of the performance for a whole lot cheaper. Also, i7's are overrated for gaming. An i5 will do just as well. In fact, I can run this game on High at 4k with an i5-4690k and a GTX 1070. ...strangely enough it runs just about identical on my other system which is an i7-4790k with a 1070. I'm not a programmer, but I build systems to run research simulations at a university research lab. The processor hype is just that, hype. Unless your application is specifically written for and optimized to utilize more than 4 cores it does you almost no good. And the majority of games are optimized with less than 8 cores (or threads in Intel's case) in mind.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:47:16 GMT
Ok, I may have to go down in size then. I'm not crazy about SLI or dual card stuff. It seems to complicated to get the games to do what their supposed to do. So, Griffith82, I'm checking monitors again. Thanks. IMO the only reason to consider 4K is if you have a massive monitor or tv like I do. It looks really good in that scenario but not on a monitor. If all you are doing is 1080p a 27inch would work. Already looking and I've read comments that mirrors yours above when browsing the bigger monitors. I can see the degradation being even greater in three years when beefier engines arrive. The price difference in monitors aren't much which is I wanted to go as big as possible. Thank you.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2017 16:47:18 GMT
In my experience they have trouble communicating. Sometimes the two types of architecture don't work well together. For example? When you are running say intel CPU and a Radeon card numerous compatibility issues pop up. There are ways to fix them but not for a novice who is told by some computer clerk what should go with what. Biggest issue is the CPU working harder to pull the graphics and it causes bigger issues if the game is designed for one setup or the other.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2017 16:49:55 GMT
IMO the only reason to consider 4K is if you have a massive monitor or tv like I do. It looks really good in that scenario but not on a monitor. If all you are doing is 1080p a 27inch would work. Already looking and I've read comments that mirrors yours above when browsing the bigger monitors. I can see the degradation being even greater in three years when beefier engines arrive. The price difference in monitors aren't much which is I wanted to go as big as possible. Thank you. Not a problem. I've been building my rigs for years sometimes all at once and sometimes piecemeal so I've made mistakes that make me able to help you now. Make sure though when you look at hookups to get a good hdmi cable i.e. Monster. Also the higher number of gbps the better.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 26, 2017 16:50:16 GMT
Gaming. I'll edit the title for clarification. Thank you. I thought the programmers could tell me what they would recommend buying to maximize Frostbite on Ultra at 60fps on a 30" widescreen. I would say -never- buy a top-end Nvidia card (XX80) when it's newish. One step down to a 1070, and you'll get the same RAM, and about 85+% of the performance for a whole lot cheaper. Also, i7's are overrated for gaming. An i5 will do just as well. In fact, I can run this game on High at 4k with an i5-4690k and a GTX 1070. ...strangely enough it runs just about identical on my other system which is an i7-4790k with a 1070. I'm not a programmer, but I build systems to run research simulations at a university research lab. The processor hype is just that, hype. Unless your application is specifically written for and optimized to utilize more than 4 cores it does you almost no good. And the majority of games are optimized with less than 8 cores (or threads in Intel's case) in mind. Havard, you're right! The shop has an i5-5* and a GTX 1080 for $620. That's half cost of the i7 and 1080ti. Will it get me through the next three years at 60fps on a 27" monitor is what I'm concentrating on. Thank you. This is great advice.
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