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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 29, 2017 15:12:56 GMT
More straw manning. I made an argument about the forum opinions. That's it, because that addressed the context of the person I was quoting. If you want to argue or debate whatever it is you're talking about, go for it. On that particular topic, from what I've heard even the general average of reviews isn't that it's trash... it's like at 75% or something. *shrug* Strawmanning? You present a big list of threads from this forum as your argument. I present a potentially much larger list of opposite threads from these very same forums, and you cry strawmanning. Lol. Revisit that term. Also, 75% is a C. It is not a good score in any possible world. It's easy. I was talking to someone who was talking about forum opinions, so my argument was about... wait for it... forum opinions. Then you butted in and presented a straw man, an argument against an argument I wasn't making an argument for. C is passing, not dumpster fire. Unless you went to some really strange school, I suppose.
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Post by goishen on May 29, 2017 16:24:11 GMT
Strawmanning? You present a big list of threads from this forum as your argument. I present a potentially much larger list of opposite threads from these very same forums, and you cry strawmanning. Lol. Revisit that term. Also, 75% is a C. It is not a good score in any possible world. It's easy. I was talking to someone who was talking about forum opinions, so my argument was about... wait for it... forum opinions. Then you butted in and presented a straw man, an argument against an argument I wasn't making an argument for. C is passing, not dumpster fire. Unless you went to some really strange school, I suppose. Yeh, but this quality of writing is not what BioWare is known for. It would be like me handing in a paper I wrote while drunk. It gets the point across brutally at times, almost to the point where I'm using a 10 pound sledgehammer where a 10 ounce hammer is needed.
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Post by griffith82 on May 29, 2017 16:35:57 GMT
It's easy. I was talking to someone who was talking about forum opinions, so my argument was about... wait for it... forum opinions. Then you butted in and presented a straw man, an argument against an argument I wasn't making an argument for. C is passing, not dumpster fire. Unless you went to some really strange school, I suppose. Yeh, but this quality of writing is not what BioWare is known for. It would be like me handing in a paper I wrote while drunk. It gets the point across brutally at times, almost to the point where I'm using a 10 pound sledgehammer where a 10 ounce hammer is needed. Yeah well I don't see a drop in quality of the writing. IMO it's fine. Of the issues the game has ( mostly technical) the writing is not one of them.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 29, 2017 16:42:50 GMT
It's easy. I was talking to someone who was talking about forum opinions, so my argument was about... wait for it... forum opinions. Then you butted in and presented a straw man, an argument against an argument I wasn't making an argument for. C is passing, not dumpster fire. Unless you went to some really strange school, I suppose. Yeh, but this quality of writing is not what BioWare is known for. It would be like me handing in a paper I wrote while drunk. It gets the point across brutally at times, almost to the point where I'm using a 10 pound sledgehammer where a 10 ounce hammer is needed. Okay, that's your opinion on that matter, but I'm not sure why it was brought up as it doesn't relate to what I was talking about. *shrug*
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Post by abaris on May 29, 2017 17:06:10 GMT
Characters are basic tools for driving narration/story........no one would cast an actor to play 12 roles in a movie. Not sure about 12 roles, but it has been done. Peter Sellers playing three or four character in Kubricks Dr Strangelove or Eddie Murphy, who's notorious for doing it. He might have even beaten the 12. But and that's a big But, they looked differently.
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Post by obatalaryder on May 29, 2017 20:10:24 GMT
I always hated the asari so I'm not all that bothered by it.
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Post by Sartoz on May 29, 2017 21:28:53 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
Aah.. but tastes do matter.
Look at the game's warm reception and subsequent icing because sales targets were not met.
Ah this again. You have no solid proof of that. -(_MEA_)-
Oh, come now. The proof is in the ice..
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Post by vonuber on May 29, 2017 21:34:04 GMT
I hated the Asari clones. Even 3 or 4 variants would be a vast improvement.
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Post by griffith82 on May 29, 2017 21:47:36 GMT
Ah this again. You have no solid proof of that. -(_MEA_)-
Oh, come now. The proof is in the ice.. lol yeah no good try though.
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Post by q5tyhj on May 29, 2017 22:04:44 GMT
Strawmanning? You present a big list of threads from this forum as your argument. I present a potentially much larger list of opposite threads from these very same forums, and you cry strawmanning. Lol. Revisit that term. Also, 75% is a C. It is not a good score in any possible world. If you go by school grades sure but that's not how this works. actually that's pretty much exactly how it works: a score in the 70's, just like a "C" grade, denotes mediocrity, being just OK and no more... not a terrible score for just some random game, but for a game whose predecessors typically scored in 90's it obviously represents a significant decline/disappointment
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Post by griffith82 on May 29, 2017 23:33:13 GMT
If you go by school grades sure but that's not how this works. actually that's pretty much exactly how it works: a score in the 70's, just like a "C" grade, denotes mediocrity, being just OK and no more... not a terrible score for just some random game, but for a game whose predecessors typically scored in 90's it obviously represents a significant decline/disappointment Or that people were so salty about the ME3 ending they were going to hate it regardless? I'm not saying it's perfect but people went into this predetermined to hate it.
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Post by Reorte on May 30, 2017 0:35:04 GMT
actually that's pretty much exactly how it works: a score in the 70's, just like a "C" grade, denotes mediocrity, being just OK and no more... not a terrible score for just some random game, but for a game whose predecessors typically scored in 90's it obviously represents a significant decline/disappointment Or that people were so salty about the ME3 ending they were going to hate it regardless? I'm not saying it's perfect but people went into this predetermined to hate it. I'm only speaking for myself but the sheer dreck of ME3's ending made me highly sceptical about Andromeda, but not inclined to hate it, and I don't hate it. The stuff about numbers and scores is comparing apples and oranges. You can say it's lower than the average you'd expect, that's about all. The absolute numbers are meaningless and not sensibly comparable with anything else.
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Post by q5tyhj on May 30, 2017 0:43:53 GMT
actually that's pretty much exactly how it works: a score in the 70's, just like a "C" grade, denotes mediocrity, being just OK and no more... not a terrible score for just some random game, but for a game whose predecessors typically scored in 90's it obviously represents a significant decline/disappointment Or that people were so salty about the ME3 ending they were going to hate it regardless? I'm not saying it's perfect but people went into this predetermined to hate it. Some people, sure. But not everyone. I'm certainly among those disappointed by MEA, and if anything I was positively predisposed towards MEA, not the opposite: I loved ME3 (even with the endings), I loved DAI, and I wanted to love MEA every bit as much as every other Bioware game I've ever played... It just failed to deliver. But we were talking about critic score, not user score. And while I'll grant you that salt over ME3 or anger at BW may account, at least in part, for the fact that e.g. the average user score is even harsher than the critic score (in the 5 out of 10 range iirc), its not really a credible explanation for why MEA received such tepid reviews from professional critics. At some point, the hand-waving and conspiracy theory stuff runs out of gas and one is forced to acknowledge the fact that many people just honestly found the game wanting, and had perfectly legitimate reasons for that opinion (many of which have been amply documented around here).
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 30, 2017 1:25:01 GMT
Or that people were so salty about the ME3 ending they were going to hate it regardless? I'm not saying it's perfect but people went into this predetermined to hate it. Some people, sure. But not everyone. I'm certainly among those disappointed by MEA, and if anything I was positively predisposed towards MEA, not the opposite: I loved ME3 (even with the endings), I loved DAI, and I wanted to love MEA every bit as much as every other Bioware game I've ever played... It just failed to deliver. But we were talking about critic score, not user score. And while I'll grant you that salt over ME3 or anger at BW may account, at least in part, for the fact that e.g. the average user score is even harsher than the critic score (in the 5 out of 10 range iirc), its not really a credible explanation for why MEA received such tepid reviews from professional critics. At some point, the hand-waving and conspiracy theory stuff runs out of gas and one is forced to acknowledge the fact that many people just honestly found the game wanting, and had perfectly legitimate reasons for that opinion (many of which have been amply documented around here). Agreed. I wasn't expecting the best game ever or something "perfect", but I was expecting another great game after getting the OT concluded, and to me andromeda did not live up to how the OT stayed consistently good game by game, it took a step forward but then two steps back. Open world style was a huge + for me, it helped when they advertised exploration being a focus of the game, however andromeda then gave me a lacking character preset (cause I refuse to acknowledge it as a creator), and it had a mediocre story that was already done in the OT. Tempest=Normandy 3.0, kadara=omega, kett=collectors, remnant=protheans, peebee(even though I like her)=liara 2.0, and I could go on. i have no vandetta vs the game nor bioware, I LOVE their games, but Andromeda is the first one I have absolutely no interest in even replaying. I'll try the DLC at least, and if they play out great I can look forward to the next ME game, till then, I'm more interested in the DA franchise now.
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Post by darkway1 on May 30, 2017 12:22:13 GMT
Characters are basic tools for driving narration/story........no one would cast an actor to play 12 roles in a movie. Not sure about 12 roles, but it has been done. Peter Sellers playing three or four character in Kubricks Dr Strangelove or Eddie Murphy, who's notorious for doing it. He might have even beaten the 12. But and that's a big But, they looked differently. If they use the same actor for multiple roles there's usually some context or purpose to it......twins,clones etc and then there's (as you point out) actors who play different persona's,it's all good. Andomeda on the other hand does not have any reason for using clones........except for two maybe........Bioware didn't think it was an issue?.......or they just didn't have the time,so they made do with the bare basic assets they had? Either way it demonstrates Bioware's creative mindset/direction........as a 3rd person shooter the game works great.......it's the story/direction/design aspect of the game that generates all the problems........which is BAD for Bioware because that's the bit they are supposed to excel at.
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Post by goishen on May 30, 2017 21:03:44 GMT
Andromeda didn't take one step forward and then two steps back, it took one step forward and did the hundred yard dash backwards in under four seconds.
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Post by abaris on May 30, 2017 21:50:59 GMT
Some people, sure. But not everyone. I'm certainly among those disappointed by MEA, and if anything I was positively predisposed towards MEA, not the opposite: I loved ME3 (even with the endings), I loved DAI, and I wanted to love MEA every bit as much as every other Bioware game I've ever played... It just failed to deliver. But we were talking about critic score, not user score. And while I'll grant you that salt over ME3 or anger at BW may account, at least in part, for the fact that e.g. the average user score is even harsher than the critic score (in the 5 out of 10 range iirc), its not really a credible explanation for why MEA received such tepid reviews from professional critics. At some point, the hand-waving and conspiracy theory stuff runs out of gas and one is forced to acknowledge the fact that many people just honestly found the game wanting, and had perfectly legitimate reasons for that opinion (many of which have been amply documented around here). I had my fun with Andrimeda. It's certainly not that I regret buying it. But there are just so many points where it falls short as compared to DAI which is the last Bioware game I played. The characters, which are the major reason why I keep buying Bioware games, the open world concept, even if they refuse to call it such. True, it was lifeless in DAI, but in MEA it's even more barren. You get sandy desert, stony desert and icy desert, and lush but small Havarl. Meridian doesn't count, since it's only part of the last mission. The attack of the clones is a minor issue, but one I can't understand, as opposed to other problems. Why not create 4 or 5 modells to at least cover unique NPCs? That would have taken care of Keri looking the same as Sarissa or Lexi. I can only repeat what I said earlier. If you create a species that has human features, expect humans to notice the lack of variety. We are used to look at human faces and we are used to acknowledge distinctive features. If there's a lack thereoff, we tend to take note of that also. I also repeat what I said when I was talking about the CC. There's that saying about the eyes being a mirror of the sould. I use that very losely, since I'm not someone believing in a soul. But the saying is still true. The first thing you look at are the eyes. That's the main problem with the CC, a feature you can't change in there, and with the clones. Even changing a small detail as giving them all distinctive eyes would have gone a long way towards creating variety. One would have noticed the difference instead of the similarity. I'd say, a lot of flak concerning the CC as well as with the clones could have avoided by using different sets of eyes, instead of just different colors or face markings.
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Post by KLGChaos on May 31, 2017 19:15:13 GMT
Yeah, the repetitive faces are annoying.
They're even more annoying because Bioware seems to have maxed their cheekbone and cheek slider all the way out so it looks like they all have fat faces.
I really think it's the cheekbones that are the biggest problem with all the characters in this game. On my latest character I put the slider all the way down and came away with a somewhat normal looking face. Most people don't have cheekbones that stick out three inches further than the rest of their head.
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Post by kheld on Jun 1, 2017 11:30:49 GMT
The Asari in the original trilogy were great.
In Andromeda, they are all short, fat faced ugly clones.
Except for Peter, who is really ugly on a scale of her own.
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Post by nachituy on Aug 3, 2017 2:37:55 GMT
time to revive the thread to remind thus all the game still needs patches
#SAVETHEASARIFACES
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 2:40:17 GMT
This thread did not need to be revived and btw reviving old threads is a no no.
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Post by nachituy on Aug 3, 2017 2:43:52 GMT
This thread did not need to be revived and btw reviving old threads is a no no. ok fair enough , lets keep the discussion going , do you think we will get a brand new DLC before we see this fix? I dont have hopes for this to get fix , let alone a brand new DLC with new races what do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 2:50:20 GMT
That cutscene of the group of Asari clones is Bioware's cinematic genius at its finest.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 3, 2017 2:50:52 GMT
I hope they don't fix it per se. That is, come up with a reason why they all look so similar. Then, when we see the asari that were in cryo on the asari ark, make them look different. Address it, but don't change how anyone looks, but make it a damn good excuse.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 3:32:24 GMT
Strawmanning? You present a big list of threads from this forum as your argument. I present a potentially much larger list of opposite threads from these very same forums, and you cry strawmanning. Lol. Revisit that term. Also, 75% is a C. It is not a good score in any possible world. It's easy. I was talking to someone who was talking about forum opinions, so my argument was about... wait for it... forum opinions. Then you butted in and presented a straw man, an argument against an argument I wasn't making an argument for. C is passing, not dumpster fire. Unless you went to some really strange school, I suppose. I went to Catholic school. C means I got by and Dad wasn't going to have it. I dreaded every report card. There was always one C. You know you're in trouble when Dad is calling me out by my full name and he won't come out of Spanish. Not fun times.
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