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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 3, 2017 7:47:56 GMT
Are you kidding me ? You are calling "yelling" on Tann a choice ??? You know what will be a choice ? If as a Pathfinder I will kick him off from the Nexus to Kadara /light version/ or put the bullet is his head /hard version/ for playing his games, cause I am tired with him. There is no choice in here. Yelling on Tann doesn't change anything. Nothing really do. It's just another silly talk which is going nowhere. I'm calling it disagreement. You can chew Liam and Peebee up for doing reckless acts and for the most part they comply. Throw out the airlock for both then.
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 8:03:23 GMT
I have raised this issue before elsewhere, can you construct a character that will allow both of us the choices we want, you to be the tough hardass you want to play as, and for me to be the adorkable nerd I want to play as? Can you see those both being encapsulated in a single character? Could you see my preferences coming from a Shepard like character, or your's coming from a character like Ryder is now? Certainly it can be done. Of course it would require three times the amount of scripting and programming. Ok - let's say that is unrealistic. Your character can only either be mild-mannered, or run around carrying a can of woop-ass. In that case I believe most people would prefer to play a Shepard. Simply because we immerse ourselves in RPGs to forget the stresses of the RW for a while. And I cannot see many people enjoying a character, who has to put up with the same obnoxious a-holes (e.g. Addison), which they have to tolerate in the RW. I can understand that, but then discussion of choices becomes less relevant, and it is really about, underneath, what kind of character you want to roleplay as.
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Post by frank on May 3, 2017 8:05:45 GMT
I'm calling it disagreement. You can chew Liam and Peebee up for doing reckless acts and for the most part they comply. Throw out the airlock for both then. It would be nice to have the airlock option. Of course, there should be serious consequences. Nervous crew, lol. Outraged bosses. Ryder leaving the Nexus and joining Cerberus....uh....I mean the outcasts.......... On the other hand, allowing the team to get away with doing end-runs behind your back should also have consequences. Lack of respect, from the crew. Aliens not taking you seriously, as they lose confidence in your leadership. Lack of support from the Nexus, as they shift focus to the other pathfinders......... So many possibilities - so little time. At least Bioware can't complain about lack of ideas..........
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 8:11:01 GMT
You do realize that what you want is limiting in itself right? None of those characters allow you to play the way Ryder plays. A Ryder character with more choices would itself never amount to Commander Shepard as you invision him. What people want out of there protagonist seem to me to be too different to adequatley acount for in a single character. Limiting itself ? Playing Ryder I have no choices. I need to do same path everytime, cannot do things different, cannot say NO, cannot find different solution. This is what I am calling limited.
I understand, but do you forsee an iteration of this character that would allow for both kind of playthroughs to occur or would the fundamentals of the character need overhaul? The reason I ask is because underneath I sense that this issue is about different asspirations in the roleplay experience, and the variant choices that would be required to meet diivergent expectations might be too broad to accomodate.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on May 3, 2017 8:11:17 GMT
Are you kidding me ? You are calling "yelling" on Tann a choice ??? You know what will be a choice ? If as a Pathfinder I will kick him off from the Nexus to Kadara /light version/ or put the bullet is his head /hard version/ for playing his games, cause I am tired with him. There is no choice in here. Yelling on Tann doesn't change anything. Nothing really do. It's just another silly talk which is going nowhere. I'm calling it disagreement. You can chew Liam and Peebee up for doing reckless acts and for the most part they comply. You basically say, "I feel that you're angry. And that's OK". I don't call that an appropriate response to some ass clown on my team giving away sensitive data. Or when Peebee puts the whole team at risk by launching the escape pod. The scene when they crash land reminded me of a shitty sitcom with a laugh track.
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Post by vonuber on May 3, 2017 8:19:49 GMT
Are you kidding me ? You are calling "yelling" on Tann a choice ??? You know what will be a choice ? If as a Pathfinder I will kick him off from the Nexus to Kadara /light version/ or put the bullet is his head /hard version/ for playing his games, cause I am tired with him. There is no choice in here. Yelling on Tann doesn't change anything. Nothing really do. It's just another silly talk which is going nowhere. Ryder doesn't have the authority to do that. You want a compete Mary sue power fantasy there's still the OT to play.
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 8:22:24 GMT
And yet others are wanting a "badass". I do not. Seems to be quite the quandary. I do not need a badass either, unfortunately Ryder is the CO of a ship, the commander of a crew, the pathfinder everyone relies on. This means, s/he has to be a leader to some degree. Ryder is not. And I would not mind starting as an average joe and grow to be one during the course of the game. Ryder is not. Maybe this is just another continuity problem BW forgot about, but Peebees loyalty comes so late, any hint of "growth" is blown out the window when Peebee releases the escape pod, we can be mad at ther, but 5min later during the "too friendly banter" on the surface it is already forgotten and back on the Tempest it is as if it never happened. It just does not work. There is a big difference between what Ryder is and what Ryder has to be, MUST be, in this setting. It is like the tone of the game, this lighthearted tone does not fit the setting. It is easy as that. During my military service, well lets just say, noone would follow Ryder, not into combat and noone would trust Ryder they can solve anything. And in civilian matters? Ryder would never be entrusted to be head of a department, not even speaking about being boss of a big company.
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Post by colfoley on May 3, 2017 8:22:42 GMT
Are you kidding me ? You are calling "yelling" on Tann a choice ??? You know what will be a choice ? If as a Pathfinder I will kick him off from the Nexus to Kadara /light version/ or put the bullet is his head /hard version/ for playing his games, cause I am tired with him. There is no choice in here. Yelling on Tann doesn't change anything. Nothing really do. It's just another silly talk which is going nowhere. Ryder doesn't have the authority to do that. You want a compete Mary sue power fantasy there's still the OT to play. Besides we did not have those options with Udina either.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 3, 2017 8:22:47 GMT
Throw out the airlock for both then. It would be nice to have the airlock option. Of course, there should be serious consequences. Nervous crew, lol. Outraged bosses. Ryder leaving the Nexus and joining Cerberus....uh....I mean the outcasts.......... On the other hand, allowing the team to get away with doing end-runs behind your back should also have consequences. Lack of respect, from the crew. Aliens not taking you seriously, as they lose confidence in your leadership. Lack of support from the Nexus, as they shift focus to the other pathfinders......... So many possibilities - so little time. At least Bioware can't complain about lack of ideas.......... My friend, sometimes when i read what people have in their minds - here on BSN and in some other places, i absolutely agree that ME community could easily write MUCH BETTER, if not amazing story for next ME game. Some people are just full of great ideas - such a shame that no one of them is working at BioWare ! Seriously, i will even spare my free time if i could just help them - anyway i can - to make things better. BioWare is saying for years "WE ARE LISTENING"... no, you don't. If you will, Andromeda will be easily game of the year 2017. So many discussions about Andromeda in the recent years - hundreds of pages, dozen of topics - did community ever ask to remove companion control, or companion customization ? did we ever ask for another version of Mako without a gun ? did we ever ask for big, empty planets ? NO. If they will listen, they will know what we wanted. Sad, that there is such a bad communication in between. And at the end it's same story again - apologies, promises that next time they get better, and la la la...
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 8:23:25 GMT
Are you kidding me ? You are calling "yelling" on Tann a choice ??? You know what will be a choice ? If as a Pathfinder I will kick him off from the Nexus to Kadara /light version/ or put the bullet is his head /hard version/ for playing his games, cause I am tired with him. There is no choice in here. Yelling on Tann doesn't change anything. Nothing really do. It's just another silly talk which is going nowhere. Ryder doesn't have the authority to do that. You want a compete Mary sue power fantasy there's still the OT to play. Not even that. Where was Shephard's option to murder the Citadel council?
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 3, 2017 8:28:43 GMT
Ryder doesn't have the authority to do that. You want a compete Mary sue power fantasy there's still the OT to play. Not even that. Where was Shephard's option to murder the Citadel council? Authority ?
Hahaha. People's life's are on stake, and you are talking about authority ? Did Shep have authority to kill the Council ? No. But he did it, to save people lives. Same with Tann - if he doesn't want to help, Ryder should put him in the next shuttle to Kadara. I don't believe anyone on Nexus will disagree. You don't wanna cooperate ?
Having demands ? Get the f out !
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Post by vonuber on May 3, 2017 8:31:20 GMT
Authority ? Hahaha. People's life's are on stake, and you are talking about authority ? Did Shep have authority to kill the Council ? No. But he did it, to save people lives. Same with Tann - if he doesn't want to help, Ryder should put him in the next shuttle to Kadara. I don't believe anyone on Nexus will disagree. So you would gun down all the Nexus security to do so? There's nothing special about Ryder as a person remember. Cora could probably do the job if you did what you want to do.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 3, 2017 8:36:11 GMT
Cora is not a Pathfinder. Ryder is. It's up to him. Nexus security will be more than happy to get rid of Tann. They will be probably very helpful with finding shuttle for him. As i said - it's about people's life - there is no time for personal favors or political games - you don't wanna help ? Out, and i will find someone to replace you.
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Post by colfoley on May 3, 2017 8:38:16 GMT
Not even that. Where was Shephard's option to murder the Citadel council? Authority ?
Hahaha. People's life's are on stake, and you are talking about authority ? Did Shep have authority to kill the Council ? No. But he did it, to save people lives. Same with Tann - if he doesn't want to help, Ryder should put him in the next shuttle to Kadara. I don't believe anyone on Nexus will disagree. You don't wanna cooperate ?
Having demands ? Get the f out !
I am beginning to see why your avatar is Londo Mollari... Anyways though first off you are comparing apples to oranges. The decision to kill the Council or not was not really motivated by revenge but one of practicality. Focus on Soverign, or try saving the Council, that was the choice. Shepard did not have the option to kill the Council...the political leaders of the entire Galaxy...willy nilly. BioWare is frankly not that stupid. And second off while Tann is a corrupt ass he is really the only game in town. He is a political leader, and from the line of succession established by Jien Garson and the AI, he is in charge. People may not like it, none of the other advisors like him, but none of them...who have far more means and opprotunity...rise up. Not Kesh, not Addison, not Kandros. And if they are unwilling to do so then yes, Ryder would have to shoot his way through a lot of guards to reach Tann...unless you are expecting him to just whip out a gun and shoot him in the head, in which case he will be tried for murder. Well done.
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 8:39:13 GMT
...people are getting way too worked up over one instance of softness. Meanwhile Ryder can drop people off ledges and shoot multiple people in the back. Yet they are soft for not being able to kick someone off the ship. Right. Like someone said, Shepard couldn't kick anyone out. Yah, but did someone pull out stunts similar to Peebee, or Liam? I would say no, but can not remember everything, so you are free to correct me. I remember a scene where Miranda decided something over our head and received quite the harsh pep talk from my paragon Shepard, she never did it again, I wonder what would happen, if she did it again. The problem here is, BW games are all about player decisions but here, we are forced to walk a line, drawed by BW. So lets assume we can not kick her out as we "need" an expert at "x" and there is noone else available, fine, but let me, at least, be mad at her. This whole situation is a mess, Ryder is all laughs and giggles till the "landing" where Ryder is asked if mad, then we can be realy realy upset.... so from giglle to upset in a matter of seconds... and then the banter on the planet? Way too friendly, all things considered my Ryder was just very upset. Even better, I had Cora and the other time Drack with me, and they are quite friendly too... judging by their characters depicted throughout the game... they would be quite upset as well. So and when the mission is done, Ryder and Peebee are just best friends... the only way to avoid this, is not to make Peebees loyalty mission.
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 8:39:19 GMT
Not even that. Where was Shephard's option to murder the Citadel council? Authority ?
Hahaha. People's life's are on stake, and you are talking about authority ? Did Shep have authority to kill the Council ? No. But he did it, to save people lives. Same with Tann - if he doesn't want to help, Ryder should put him in the next shuttle to Kadara. I don't believe anyone on Nexus will disagree. You don't wanna cooperate ?
Having demands ? Get the f out !
What? Did Shephard murder the Citadel council? Your iteration of the character allowed them to die in a battle, he did not, as you are suggesting Ryder should, walk into their offices and execute them. That is pattently absurd. The Citadel Council was a hundred magnitudes of incompetence greater than the Nexus leadership and Shepard didn't barge in and seize control of the government. Your complaints are hyperbolic in the extreme.
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Post by frank on May 3, 2017 8:46:47 GMT
Certainly it can be done. Of course it would require three times the amount of scripting and programming. Ok - let's say that is unrealistic. Your character can only either be mild-mannered, or run around carrying a can of woop-ass. In that case I believe most people would prefer to play a Shepard. Simply because we immerse ourselves in RPGs to forget the stresses of the RW for a while. And I cannot see many people enjoying a character, who has to put up with the same obnoxious a-holes (e.g. Addison), which they have to tolerate in the RW. I can understand that, but then discussion of choices becomes less relevant, and it is really about, underneath, what kind of character you want to roleplay as. Perhaps it can all be boiled down to feeling restricted in Ryder's dialogue choices. I never felt that way in ME1-3. As Ryder - since it was my first play-through (while having the tone symbols disabled), I chose the options, which I would have chosen in RL. In most cases, I was only given two choices. In most cases, I could see little difference between them. And in too many cases, neither choice came close to reflecting what I would have wished to have said. Reading the posts from people who have played Andromeda twice, they say that choosing option B made no difference to the characters development. This tells me there is little replay-value, compared to the Trilogy. I like exploring, but I have little interest in hack'n'slash. I've enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy for it's role-playing and character interaction. Plus all the many magic moments. For example Samantha Traynor's sonic toothbrush manages to elicit a chuckle every-time she pulls it out. It's the little things.... I can honestly say that I missed such moments in Andromeda. It's not a bad game, as some I have attempted to play. It's just - mundane. And the first Bioware game I regretted paying full price for. I'll be crucified for this - but I even enjoyed Dragon Age 2 more than Andromeda.......... Just hoping that Bioware is taking note. Andromeda can still be great. I'd hate to see the Mass Effect series come to a miserable end. Then again - all good things must end eventually.
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 8:47:38 GMT
As true as that is, Shepard at least had the option to recruit squadmates whereas Ryder doesn't have that option Wait...doesn't Ryder have a dialog option to turn a squaddie down? I think I remember seeing it early in the game but I've never taken that dialog prompt to see how it plays out. Definitely not one of the original three...damn, I can't remember. I'll look for it on my next play through. We should try to view it everytime "new" and now by "i know what is coming, so no Peebee on the team". She apologizes for her assault and gives an explanation and she says she is a remnant expert, by this time, there is no way saying "dont hire her".
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 3, 2017 8:49:13 GMT
Authority ?
Hahaha. People's life's are on stake, and you are talking about authority ? Did Shep have authority to kill the Council ? No. But he did it, to save people lives. Same with Tann - if he doesn't want to help, Ryder should put him in the next shuttle to Kadara. I don't believe anyone on Nexus will disagree. You don't wanna cooperate ?
Having demands ? Get the f out !
I am beginning to see why your avatar is Londo Mollari... Anyways though first off you are comparing apples to oranges. The decision to kill the Council or not was not really motivated by revenge but one of practicality. Focus on Soverign, or try saving the Council, that was the choice. Shepard did not have the option to kill the Council...the political leaders of the entire Galaxy...willy nilly. BioWare is frankly not that stupid. And second off while Tann is a corrupt ass he is really the only game in town. He is a political leader, and from the line of succession established by Jien Garson and the AI, he is in charge. People may not like it, none of the other advisors like him, but none of them...who have far more means and opprotunity...rise up. Not Kesh, not Addison, not Kandros. And if they are unwilling to do so then yes, Ryder would have to shoot his way through a lot of guards to reach Tann...unless you are expecting him to just whip out a gun and shoot him in the head, in which case he will be tried for murder. Well done. Love when it get's so personal. So why my avatar is Londo Mollari ?...
I didn't say anything about killing Tann. Just kick his ass out. You are talking about him, like he was some kind of beloved leader... no, he's not. It's just another Kim-Jong Un. He got blood on his hands, many people died because of him, many people are starving on Kadara and other places because of him, he is corrupted, he is playing his games and he is thinking that he is so important... no, he's not. Lot of guards defending him ? Are you kidding me ? No one will stand on his side. Kandros will even help me to get this guy out from the Nexus. Triumvirate - Kesh, Addison and Kandros will work much better for Nexus, and for all the races. They can at least agree on something.
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Post by frank on May 3, 2017 8:50:29 GMT
It would be nice to have the airlock option. Of course, there should be serious consequences. Nervous crew, lol. Outraged bosses. Ryder leaving the Nexus and joining Cerberus....uh....I mean the outcasts.......... On the other hand, allowing the team to get away with doing end-runs behind your back should also have consequences. Lack of respect, from the crew. Aliens not taking you seriously, as they lose confidence in your leadership. Lack of support from the Nexus, as they shift focus to the other pathfinders......... So many possibilities - so little time. At least Bioware can't complain about lack of ideas.......... My friend, sometimes when i read what people have in their minds - here on BSN and in some other places, i absolutely agree that ME community could easily write MUCH BETTER, if not amazing story for next ME game. Some people are just full of great ideas - such a shame that no one of them is working at BioWare ! Seriously, i will even spare my free time if i could just help them - anyway i can - to make things better. BioWare is saying for years "WE ARE LISTENING"... no, you don't. If you will, Andromeda will be easily game of the year 2017. So many discussions about Andromeda in the recent years - hundreds of pages, dozen of topics - did community ever ask to remove companion control, or companion customization ? did we ever ask for another version of Mako without a gun ? did we ever ask for big, empty planets ? NO. If they will listen, they will know what we wanted. Sad, that there is such a bad communication in between. And at the end it's same story again - apologies, promises that next time they get better, and la la la... And at the bottom of it all - us Sheeple forking out hard-earned dough for an inferior product. Maybe that's why they left Steam - didn't like their refund-policy..........
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Post by colfoley on May 3, 2017 8:53:24 GMT
I am beginning to see why your avatar is Londo Mollari... Anyways though first off you are comparing apples to oranges. The decision to kill the Council or not was not really motivated by revenge but one of practicality. Focus on Soverign, or try saving the Council, that was the choice. Shepard did not have the option to kill the Council...the political leaders of the entire Galaxy...willy nilly. BioWare is frankly not that stupid. And second off while Tann is a corrupt ass he is really the only game in town. He is a political leader, and from the line of succession established by Jien Garson and the AI, he is in charge. People may not like it, none of the other advisors like him, but none of them...who have far more means and opprotunity...rise up. Not Kesh, not Addison, not Kandros. And if they are unwilling to do so then yes, Ryder would have to shoot his way through a lot of guards to reach Tann...unless you are expecting him to just whip out a gun and shoot him in the head, in which case he will be tried for murder. Well done. Love when it get's so personal. So why my avatar is Londo Mollari ?...
I didn't say anything about killing Tann. Just kick his ass out. You are talking about him, like he was some kind of beloved leader... no, he's not. It's just another Kim-Jong Un. He got blood on his hands, many people died because of him, many people are starving on Kadara and other places because of him, he is corrupted, he is playing his games and he is thinking that he is so important... no, he's not. Lot of guards defending him ? Are you kidding me ? No one will stand on his side. Kandros will even help me to get this guy out from the Nexus. Triumvirate - Kesh, Addison and Kandros will work much better for Nexus, and for all the races. The can at least agree on something.
Ok fine kick him out...no one will do that, you know why? Because they haven't done it. No one lifted a finger to stop him or remove him from power, for fourteen months they have just been sitting there, doing nothing. Why? Because Tann is their political leader. They may not like him, how many of us IRL like our political leaders? But for the moment anyways they are stuck with him. And in this situation if Ryder were to act, however Ryder would act to remove Tann from power, they'd be laughed at, and then they would be exiled because no one would back them.
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 9:00:19 GMT
Those choices are there. If YOU didn't take them it is on YOU not the game. What choice and where? I can choose not to hire Peebee, but for what reason, becasue I have a glass orb and can see in the future what she does with the pod? I can choose not to help her with her mission, because what, I have a glass orb and can see what she will do in 5min with the pod? Lets rate "personal attitude" -10 (very mad) to +10 (very friendly)... during the drop Ryder is rather friendly towards Peebee, so +1 here, after the landing we have to choice to be mad, -8 here, during the mission we are friendly with Peebee again, +3, and after the mission we are way too friendly +7. The only thing we can do to punish her, is to shoot at Kalinda, which is not an option for a "good hearted" Ryder. So what choices are you talking about?
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Post by frank on May 3, 2017 9:01:44 GMT
I can understand that, but then discussion of choices becomes less relevant, and it is really about, underneath, what kind of character you want to roleplay as. Perhaps it can all be boiled down to feeling restricted in Ryder's dialogue choices. I never felt that way in ME1-3. As Ryder - since it was my first play-through (while having the tone symbols disabled), I chose the options, which I would have chosen in RL. In most cases, I was only given two choices. In most cases, I could see little difference between them. And in too many cases, neither choice came close to reflecting what I would have wished to have said. Reading the posts from people who have played Andromeda twice, they say that choosing option B made no difference to the characters development. This tells me there is little replay-value, compared to the Trilogy. I like exploring, but I have little interest in hack'n'slash. I've enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy for it's role-playing and character interaction. Plus all the many magic moments. For example Samantha Traynor's sonic toothbrush manages to elicit a chuckle every-time she pulls it out. It's the little things.... I can honestly say that I missed such moments in Andromeda. It's not a bad game, as some I have attempted to play. It's just - mundane. And the first Bioware game I regretted paying full price for. I'll be crucified for this - but I even enjoyed Dragon Age 2 more than Andromeda.......... Just hoping that Bioware is taking note. Andromeda can still be great. I'd hate to see the Mass Effect series come to a miserable end. Then again - all good things must end eventually. Actually - the whole issue can be simplified further: I miss Shepard - despite numerous play-throughs, I am not bored with him/her. Once I finished Andromeda, I'd had enough of Ryder already. I have no desire to see what happens to him next. It wouldn't bother me at all, if he was dropped from MEA2 I miss Shepard. Says it all..........
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 9:09:21 GMT
It's not about being a Paragon or Renegade. It's about having more distinctive choices. Otherwise, every time you play the game, it feels the same. I have raised this issue before elsewhere, can you construct a character that will allow both of us the choices we want, you to be the tough hardass you want to play as, and for me to be the adorkable nerd I want to play as? Can you see those both being encapsulated in a single character? Could you see my preferences coming from a Shepard like character, or your's coming from a character like Ryder is now? Hm, an adorkable nerd is never going to be the CO of a ship and commander of a squad. Thats some wishful thinking, wonder if BW made that intentionaly to give people a vision such a thing could realy exist.
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 9:12:21 GMT
I can understand that, but then discussion of choices becomes less relevant, and it is really about, underneath, what kind of character you want to roleplay as. Perhaps it can all be boiled down to feeling restricted in Ryder's dialogue choices. I never felt that way in ME1-3. As Ryder - since it was my first play-through (while having the tone symbols disabled), I chose the options, which I would have chosen in RL. In most cases, I was only given two choices. In most cases, I could see little difference between them. And in too many cases, neither choice came close to reflecting what I would have wished to have said. Reading the posts from people who have played Andromeda twice, they say that choosing option B made no difference to the characters development. This tells me there is little replay-value, compared to the Trilogy. I like exploring, but I have little interest in hack'n'slash. I've enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy for it's role-playing and character interaction. Plus all the many magic moments. For example Samantha Traynor's sonic toothbrush manages to elicit a chuckle every-time she pulls it out. It's the little things.... I can honestly say that I missed such moments in Andromeda. It's not a bad game, as some I have attempted to play. It's just - mundane. And the first Bioware game I regretted paying full price for. I'll be crucified for this - but I even enjoyed Dragon Age 2 more than Andromeda.......... Just hoping that Bioware is taking note. Andromeda can still be great. I'd hate to see the Mass Effect series come to a miserable end. Then again - all good things must end eventually. Choices are grounded in character, even Shepard's choices are restricted to the dynamics of the plot and his/her character. I have multiple times agreed that people who want to play a different path should have had that allowed, but the more I listen the more I come to the conclusion that the path being asked for would be at so extreme a variance to the one we now have as to necessitate a different character all together. That renders the convo on choices, at least between the interlocutors in this thread, rather moot, and, as I said before, it is really an irreconcilable difference in roleplay preferences.
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