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May 4, 2017 0:13:09 GMT cypherj said:

But the game almost makes it seem like you're just Alec's kid along for the ride to Andromeda and circumstance just thrust you into the Pathfinder role, and you had never seen any kind of action. I played Sara, and she was attached to a scientific research team, had seen combat on her trips, and generally seen things. There would have been some sort of chain of command on these trips, she went through Pathfinder team training, where they would have been some structure. The whole laid back, I can't take things seriously attitude just didn't fit given what I knew about her.

The professional options should have been coupled with real casual options, where it was formal, and informal. But it was mostly professional or goofy, joking, sarcastic. That is not what casual means. Professional/Casual is I talk to and address people a different way a work than I do when I'm not at work. The sarcastic, joking, whatever should have been it's own option, at least you would have known that what came out was going to be something goofy.

In ME1, I was a loyal Alliance marine (even as a Spectre, there still seemed to be loyalty to the Alliance, especially if you did all those UNC missions). I fought Cerberus in ME1 and saw that they were terrorists. Then, in ME2, I wake up in a Cerberus facility and work for them. To me, that's a major disconnect. Where was my option to bail on Cerberus? How come I couldn't RP that?

In my head cannon, Alliance had their hands tied and couldn't take care of the issue in the colonies and the colonies didn't want Alliance help (See the Horizon quest.) So Hacket and Anderson were unofficially behind her to use Cerebus funds, take their ship, take their best people (as Dr Chakwas tells Shepard in ME3 about not feeling bad about working with Cerebus in ME2). Shepard is still reporting to Hackett in unofficial channels. On one of the quests she actually sends the information to Hacket instead of Cerebus, and in one of the DLC's Hacket comes to her and asks her help despite her being with Cerebus.

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May 4, 2017 0:37:46 GMT Sairys said:

In ME1, I was a loyal Alliance marine (even as a Spectre, there still seemed to be loyalty to the Alliance, especially if you did all those UNC missions). I fought Cerberus in ME1 and saw that they were terrorists. Then, in ME2, I wake up in a Cerberus facility and work for them. To me, that's a major disconnect. Where was my option to bail on Cerberus? How come I couldn't RP that?

In my head cannon,

and that does not solve the issue.

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May 4, 2017 0:39:41 GMT dreman999 said:

May 4, 2017 0:37:46 GMT Sairys said:

In my head cannon,

and that does not solve the issue.

I'd like a head cannon...is it strap on, or surgical?

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May 4, 2017 0:37:46 GMT Sairys said:

In ME1, I was a loyal Alliance marine (even as a Spectre, there still seemed to be loyalty to the Alliance, especially if you did all those UNC missions). I fought Cerberus in ME1 and saw that they were terrorists. Then, in ME2, I wake up in a Cerberus facility and work for them. To me, that's a major disconnect. Where was my option to bail on Cerberus? How come I couldn't RP that?

In my head cannon, Alliance had their hands tied and couldn't take care of the issue in the colonies and the colonies didn't want Alliance help (See the Horizon quest.) So Hacket and Anderson were unofficially behind her to use Cerebus funds, take their ship, take their best people (as Dr Chakwas tells Shepard in ME3 about not feeling bad about working with Cerebus in ME2). Shepard is still reporting to Hackett in unofficial channels. On one of the quests she actually sends the information to Hacket instead of Cerebus, and in one of the DLC's Hacket comes to her and asks her help despite her being with Cerebus.

The reality is that I love the OT. ME2 was my least favorite but I still really enjoyed it. My point is that I get all these complaints about stuff you can't RP when this has been true of Mass Effect games all along. To me, this is actually a pretty major thing for Shepard to be stuck with. My personal headcanon is "undercover Spectre op".

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May 4, 2017 0:29:41 GMT dreman999 said:

2.a.Then why point out the obvious? no point to telling me it only happens on his loyalty mission if I reference to it.

Because you never mentioned that he could die. All you said is he points a gun at Shepard, threatens Shepard and Shepard couldn't do jack. That happens before the suicide mission. Not just after.

b. And that is a huge difference. because you have a legitimate reason to kick him off the ship. What normally happens when someone threats there superior officer? military.findlaw.com/criminal-law/what-is-insubordination.html

Don't recruit him. Don't do his loyalty mission. Let him die on the suicide mission. Let him die on his loyalty mission

c. pointing a gun while in anger ready to fire at you is not threatening you? In most us state if you shot Zaeed there and killed him you you would get off with no charges.

He can't shoot without any ammo. Remember he emptied his weapon firing at the ship. Never reloaded. So no. I wouldn't feel threatened by him pointing his weapon at me

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In ME1, I was a loyal Alliance marine (even as a Spectre, there still seemed to be loyalty to the Alliance, especially if you did all those UNC missions). I fought Cerberus in ME1 and saw that they were terrorists. Then, in ME2, I wake up in a Cerberus facility and work for them. To me, that's a major disconnect. Where was my option to bail on Cerberus? How come I couldn't RP that?

Where was the option to tell the Alliance to go **** themselves for not making any effort to confirm Shepard's death? Or make any effort to find a way to stop the reapers. I like that my Shepard could work with Cerberus. Listen to what Anderson says. "Its up to you to find a way to stop the reapers". He never cared.

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May 4, 2017 0:13:09 GMT cypherj said:

But the game almost makes it seem like you're just Alec's kid along for the ride to Andromeda and circumstance just thrust you into the Pathfinder role, and you had never seen any kind of action. I played Sara, and she was attached to a scientific research team, had seen combat on her trips, and generally seen things. There would have been some sort of chain of command on these trips, she went through Pathfinder team training, where they would have been some structure. The whole laid back, I can't take things seriously attitude just didn't fit given what I knew about her.

A couple of things: I think we have different impressions of what Pathfinder team training would involve. Just because an N7 started the program does not mean it was highly militaristic in nature. I used to work with archeologists, and I have a friend who was a biologist with the Army Corps of Engineers - she described some of the surveys she was involved in like walking up a river bank for miles to look for a specific type of plant. We know that Sara was a recon specialist, and made some comments about the flora, fauna, kett activities and remnant structures they came across on Habitat 7. The point is that a lot of what Pathfinders do is more academic than militaristic. Just because they are combat capable does not mean the team operates in any sort of militaristic fashion 24x7.

Also, what you consider to be a "laid back, I can't take things seriously" attitude is something I might call "staying calm, focused and on goal, adapting to the situation, not shifting into panic mode." I felt that Sara handled herself very well on Habitat 7, especially if you explore the area.

The professional options should have been coupled with real casual options, where it was formal, and informal. But it was mostly professional or goofy, joking, sarcastic. That is not what casual means. Professional/Casual is I talk to and address people a different way a work than I do when I'm not at work. The sarcastic, joking, whatever should have been it's own option, at least you would have known that what came out was going to be something goofy.

Yeah, that's sort of the risk you take when you choose the Casual option. It's likely to be snark.

The emotional options aren't bad IME. They usually involve connecting to someone on an emotional level - sometimes to offer comfort or reassurance.

Maybe a different set of tones would have been better received?

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May 4, 2017 0:47:44 GMT themikefest said:

May 4, 2017 0:29:41 GMT dreman999 said:

2.a.Then why point out the obvious? no point to telling me it only happens on his loyalty mission if I reference to it.

Because you never mentioned that he could die. All you said is he points a gun at Shepard, threatens Shepard and Shepard couldn't do jack. That happens before the suicide mission. Not just after.

b. And that is a huge difference. because you have a legitimate reason to kick him off the ship. What normally happens when someone threats there superior officer? military.findlaw.com/criminal-law/what-is-insubordination.html

Don't recruit him. Don't do his loyalty mission. Let him die on the suicide mission. Let him die on his loyalty mission

c. pointing a gun while in anger ready to fire at you is not threatening you? In most us state if you shot Zaeed there and killed him you you would get off with no charges.

He can't shoot without any ammo. Remember he emptied his weapon firing at the ship. Never reloaded. So no. I wouldn't feel threatened by him pointing his weapon at me

a.Agein, I did put down..."Shepard couldn't do jack to Zaeed for pulling a gun on shepard because the script demended it and the sc(suicide)mission was not done yet." That mean Shepard can't do anything to Zaeed for insubordination unless the mission is done after the suicide mission. I don't think at this point with a mass a fans for ME who already seen every scene in ME that i need to say Shepard can kill Zaeed. I'm just pointing out that you have to go through some hoop jumping to get rid of Zaeed for doing something that is actual ground of dismissal off the ship and that it's hugely easily missed. That under normal cercomstaces aka people doing it before the sc mission, people would not even know about this.

b.that's not the problem. This issue is that he did an action that's ground of dissmisal and i can't kick him off the ship. that limits my roleplaying. Now i have to be a bad co just to get rid of him? Why can't I just kick him off the ship? Why do i not have option to just kick him off the ship to fit my roleplaying?

c. Dude, moment he ejected the heat sink a new one was loaded in. Every gun is like that in me 2- me3 if it has no venter.

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May 4, 2017 0:57:14 GMT themikefest said:

In ME1, I was a loyal Alliance marine (even as a Spectre, there still seemed to be loyalty to the Alliance, especially if you did all those UNC missions). I fought Cerberus in ME1 and saw that they were terrorists. Then, in ME2, I wake up in a Cerberus facility and work for them. To me, that's a major disconnect. Where was my option to bail on Cerberus? How come I couldn't RP that?

Where was the option to tell the Alliance to go **** themselves for not making any effort to confirm Shepard's death? Or make any effort to find a way to stop the reapers. I like that my Shepard could work with Cerberus. Listen to what Anderson says. "Its up to you to find a way to stop the reapers". He never cared.

You do know you are supporting his point?

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Shepard is like 12 inches.

Ryder is like 2 inches.

The average dick size has to be 3.5+ inches in order to make a woman orgasm. So in ryders case, he just can't hit that spot.

Shepard however, splits asari's a half. Have you seen them husk that have metal rods through their stomach? Those holes wasn't created by the rod. The rods are a way of storing Shepards bitches. Shepard hasn't got time to piss ass around flying home to empty his cannons, so he has no choice but to shag and bag as he goes along.

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b.that's not the problem. This issue is that he did an action that's ground of dissmisal and i can't kick him off the ship. that limits my roleplaying. Now i have to be a bad co just to get rid of him? Why can't I just kick him off the ship? Why do i not have option to just kick him off the ship to fit my roleplaying?

Why can't I throw Jack off my ship for getting Lawson's face? Why can't I throw the quarian off my ship for going after the geth? Why can't I throw the asari off my ship for getting in Javik's face? Why can't I throw the hologram turned platform off my ship? Why can't I send the asari to Hackett and have Miranda back in her office? Why can't I have those options to fit my roleplaying?

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Shepard is like 12 inches.

Ryder is like 2 inches.

The average dick size has to be 3.5+ inches in order to make a woman orgasm. So in ryders case, he just can't hit that spot.

Shepard however, splits asari's a half. Have you seen them husk that have metal rods through their stomach? Those holes wasn't created by the rod. The rods are a way of storing Shepards bitches. Shepard hasn't got time to piss ass around flying home to empty his cannons, so he has no choice but to shag and bag as he goes along.

You haven't seen Sara Ryder in action then.

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May 4, 2017 1:14:27 GMT themikefest said:

b.that's not the problem. This issue is that he did an action that's ground of dissmisal and i can't kick him off the ship. that limits my roleplaying. Now i have to be a bad co just to get rid of him? Why can't I just kick him off the ship? Why do i not have option to just kick him off the ship to fit my roleplaying?

Why can't I throw Jack off my ship for getting Lawson's face? Why can't I throw the quarian off my ship for going after the geth? Why can't I throw the asari off my ship for getting in Javik's face? Why can't I throw the hologram turned platform off my ship? Why can't I send the asari to Hackett and have Miranda back in her office? Why can't I have those options to fit my roleplaying?

That is kind of the argument from most of the people in this thread. XD

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May 4, 2017 1:14:27 GMT themikefest said:

b.that's not the problem. This issue is that he did an action that's ground of dissmisal and i can't kick him off the ship. that limits my roleplaying. Now i have to be a bad co just to get rid of him? Why can't I just kick him off the ship? Why do i not have option to just kick him off the ship to fit my roleplaying?

Why can't I throw Jack off my ship for getting Lawson's face? Why can't I throw the quarian off my ship for going after the geth? Why can't I throw the asari off my ship for getting in Javik's face? Why can't I throw the hologram turned platform off my ship? Why can't I send the asari to Hackett and have Miranda back in her office? Why can't I have those options to fit my roleplaying?

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May 4, 2017 1:15:51 GMT erikson said:

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Shepard is like 12 inches.

Ryder is like 2 inches.

The average dick size has to be 3.5+ inches in order to make a woman orgasm. So in ryders case, he just can't hit that spot.

Shepard however, splits asari's a half. Have you seen them husk that have metal rods through their stomach? Those holes wasn't created by the rod. The rods are a way of storing Shepards bitches. Shepard hasn't got time to piss ass around flying home to empty his cannons, so he has no choice but to shag and bag as he goes along.

You haven't seen Sara Ryder in action then.

Does she get her water melons out? I'll have to have a look on YouTube. I was shocked at the sex scenes in this mass effect. Peebee has full on human tits. 😯

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Shepard is like 12 inches.

Ryder is like 2 inches.

The average dick size has to be 3.5+ inches in order to make a woman orgasm. So in ryders case, he just can't hit that spot.

Shepard however, splits asari's a half. Have you seen them husk that have metal rods through their stomach? Those holes wasn't created by the rod. The rods are a way of storing Shepards bitches. Shepard hasn't got time to piss ass around flying home to empty his cannons, so he has no choice but to shag and bag as he goes along.

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May 4, 2017 1:14:27 GMT themikefest said:

b.that's not the problem. This issue is that he did an action that's ground of dissmisal and i can't kick him off the ship. that limits my roleplaying. Now i have to be a bad co just to get rid of him? Why can't I just kick him off the ship? Why do i not have option to just kick him off the ship to fit my roleplaying?

Why can't I throw Jack off my ship for getting Lawson's face? Why can't I throw the quarian off my ship for going after the geth? Why can't I throw the asari off my ship for getting in Javik's face? Why can't I throw the hologram turned platform off my ship? Why can't I send the asari to Hackett and have Miranda back in her office? Why can't I have those options to fit my roleplaying?

An now you see my point. ME always had a limit of role playing based on story. Why is it going to be different now?

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