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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 5, 2017 13:01:21 GMT
After sifting through this thread, I get the impression I am probably not welcome here. I haven't played Andromeda yet, but I do plan to eventually. I refunded my preorder to allow them time to finish the rest of the game, and hopefully the experience will be better for it. But why tell people to stop enjoying a game they love? Mass Effect 1 is tied with 3 for my favorite of the series. If someone asked, I would generally lean towards the final installment simply because it has the benefit of the culmination of character and story beats. I played the first game before the others, yet subsequent entries in the series, or even the fact that I didn't play first until 2012 due to licensing issues (no Xbox or PC gaming here), didn't lessen the impact or positive impressions I have of the Mass Effect 1, even recognizing its flaws. Of course, opinions are opinions, and we don't always agree. I mean, Mass Effect 2 is definitely my least favorite, and I even read someone disparaging one of my favorite shows of all time (Firely!). Oh well. I loved Firefly and Serenity. Joss Whedon made sitcom and big screen magic. I just don't see how it relates to Mass Effect since Joss sidesteps the whole question, "Are we alone in the universe." |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 5, 2017 13:07:05 GMT
I realy don't get why Mass Effect 1 is praised like it's the holy grail or something. Yes, the story is damn good and it set the foundation for imo the 2nd best Sci-Fi universe that exists (sorry, not topping W40k). WH40K is not sci-fi, and nor is it even remotely good. It's an infantile wet dream for neofascist edgelords and that's it. You know I love sci-fi and D&D. When I was introduced to Warhammer, it didn't take to me. I found it wanting (and to be honest, I couldn't tell you why) and never gave it a second look. |
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Post by goishen on May 5, 2017 14:39:29 GMT
I dunno. This seemed to bring me back to space and to an even higher degree scifi. ME:A is dumbing things down to a whole degree of stupid that I can only ascribe to the faithful hellfire southern baptists who watch Jerry Falwell every morning.
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Post by alanc9 on May 5, 2017 15:06:26 GMT
Are you kidding me? Lol. It has the best writing in the whole series. The other games didn't even come close. (looks at over Slimgrin with incredible disbelief) He is kidding. I'm going over my head what B-movie could even manage to fit on the same dais with Mass Effect... and I'm drawing a blank. Just because Mass Effect is a video game doesn't mean it lacks anything any of the great movies had. The Reapers are an amalgamation of fear, immense power, finality and sheer oppressiveness and all Sovereign had to do was talk as a hologram. Sorry, even Darth Vader's super-Sith-caped-wizard-mojo pales... absolutely pales... in the face of the Reaper's cold, unrelenting logic: Genocide. The Protheans leave one last witness for the trial of the ages and the ending gave... sigh... you're right. Well, as long as we've brought up Star Wars already, I'll mention that I had a bad feeling about the Reapers from Virmire on. My main takeaway from Sovereign's speech was that he didn't actually know why the Reapers were doing what they did -- the Reapers were likely indoctrinated stooges too -- and I was about 75% certain that the writers didn't know either. I took no pleasure in being proven right about that. |
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Post by luketrevelyan on May 5, 2017 15:20:27 GMT
I think there are 2 different groups of people playing ME games. People with a BioWare/RPG background and people with shooter background. Of course, there is overlap too. But people who loved older BioWare games and RPG fans in general tend to love ME1. People who got into the trilogy later or who play more for the combat tend to like ME2 and ME3 better and complain about ME1 being clunky. For a lot of RPG fans, story is one of the most (if not the most) important aspect. Combat is usually much less of a focus for them.
For me, combat is quite low on my priorities so games like ME1 and Kotor that people complain about the combat I don't mind at all. In fact, those are 2 of my favorite games.
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Post by danishgambit on May 5, 2017 15:27:20 GMT
Yeah people have the nostalgia shades on when it comes to ME1. MEA had some inventory problems but ME1 was just ridiculous. And oh man the controls were super clunky and did anyone try the sniper rifles? Geez.... I definitely think the story carried ME1. Without that you start to see the problems.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 15:31:14 GMT
I think there are 2 different groups of people playing ME games. People with a BioWare/RPG background and people with shooter background. Of course, there is overlap too. But people who loved older BioWare games and RPG fans in general tend to love ME1. People who got into the trilogy later or who play more for the combat tend to like ME2 and ME3 better and complain about ME1 being clunky. For a lot of RPG fans, story is one of the most (if not the most) important aspect. Combat is usually much less of a focus for them. For me, combat is quite low on my priorities so games like ME1 and Kotor that people complain about the combat I don't mind at all. In fact, those are 2 of my favorite games. I have never played a shooter game in my life, and tbh do not want to, but I like the gameplay that is fun and fast. My favorite combat styles in games were all are similar, because they are simpler and faster, and easy to learn. BnS, Andromeda and DA2. As for games I've played, well, Blade and Soul was the only non-Bio Obsidian game I more or less finished as much as one can finish a MMO, and I abandoned another two titles very fast. what I look for in games is as little hardship and unpleasant things of any kind, be that a frustrating inventory system or writing that irks me personally. I like laughing with delight while playing, be that at how cool and easy my character fights, how good-looking s/he is, or because the banter was so much fun. ME1 delivered a lot of awesomeness, but so did ME2/3, and Andromeda... i will stick to praising all four! At every opportunity! |
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Post by cypherj on May 5, 2017 15:41:56 GMT
I think there are 2 different groups of people playing ME games. People with a BioWare/RPG background and people with shooter background. Of course, there is overlap too. But people who loved older BioWare games and RPG fans in general tend to love ME1. People who got into the trilogy later or who play more for the combat tend to like ME2 and ME3 better and complain about ME1 being clunky. For a lot of RPG fans, story is one of the most (if not the most) important aspect. Combat is usually much less of a focus for them. For me, combat is quite low on my priorities so games like ME1 and Kotor that people complain about the combat I don't mind at all. In fact, those are 2 of my favorite games. Yeah, if you look at threads where people rank the games, usually people who have ME1 fist have ME2 and the bottom and vice versa. Some people saying ME2 got rid of the things they liked about ME1, and then another group of people saying ME2 improved or got rid of all the things they hated about ME1. Where both sides are talking about mostly the same things. Combat alone isn't going to make me like or dislike a game, because it's not an important aspect to me. Which is probably why MP doesn't appeal to me. |
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Post by goishen on May 5, 2017 15:42:35 GMT
I can see both the upsides as well as the downsides of all of the OT. It's just that IMO, the upsides far outweigh the downsides. The primary one of those is the story and the lore. The second of those would be the universe. The, very close, third of those would be the amount of mystery boxes they left. What is N7? What are the reapers and why are they here? Fourth would be the combat and RPG elements.
I mean, if I were in charge of BioWare's marketing department, I would get together a whole bunch'a ME fans and ask them to list all the things that they loved about ME and then put them all into a pie chart. Because I can guarantee you, the answer would shock you.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 15:45:05 GMT
OP you need to stop telling others what they want to praise or criticize. People have different tastes, I still believe ME1 was storywise the best of the trilogy with the most RPG elements.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 5, 2017 16:00:59 GMT
I think there are 2 different groups of people playing ME games. People with a BioWare/RPG background and people with shooter background. Of course, there is overlap too. But people who loved older BioWare games and RPG fans in general tend to love ME1. People who got into the trilogy later or who play more for the combat tend to like ME2 and ME3 better and complain about ME1 being clunky. For a lot of RPG fans, story is one of the most (if not the most) important aspect. Combat is usually much less of a focus for them. For me, combat is quite low on my priorities so games like ME1 and Kotor that people complain about the combat I don't mind at all. In fact, those are 2 of my favorite games. I've played BioWare games from the start. I played Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR. Somehow I fell away from it all until 2016 and started playing the trilogy. It's true, I love Mass Effect. I love all the games of the trilogy and really enjoy MEA. Keep in mind, however, that when I started playing the trilogy, all patches and DLC were out. I got a complete game that was as fixed as it was ever going to be. MEA is less than two months out. It's not fixed up yet and no DLC has gone out. Sure, I don't have as strong of an attachment to it yet, but how can I compare a long-complete trilogy to a new release? Story trumps everything for me. Combat is just sort of this side thing. I like it, yes, but I like to see the story move along. I think that's why I like the romances and stuff. We're seeing the story of Shepard and, later, the story of Ryder. Combat is part of their life but only PART of it. |
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Post by themikefest on May 5, 2017 16:06:13 GMT
Story trumps everything for me. Replay value is #1 for me. Otherwise I wouldn't have the number of playthroughs I have. |
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Post by dmc1001 on May 5, 2017 16:09:37 GMT
Story trumps everything for me. Replay value is #1 for me. Otherwise I wouldn't have the number of playthroughs I have. Yes, and right now the trilogy has more of it. But it's also three games and twelve DLC. Naturally, there's much more replayability there. |
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Post by cheeseandonion on May 5, 2017 16:11:14 GMT
I'd still be playing ME1 now if ME3 didn't turn Shepard's story into a radioactive garbage fire. I used to think this way but after Andromeda I played the entire series through, (I hard dropped Mass Effect after the ending), and ME3 is a lot better with the extended cut if you pick destroy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 16:13:28 GMT
Story trumps everything for me. Replay value is #1 for me. Otherwise I wouldn't have the number of playthroughs I have. I am like a pale copy of you. For me two PTs that feel very different from one another is replayability  Inspiring the desire to do a third one (even if not acted upon) is like... wow! All 4 games did that, but tbh. I can tell you what kind of Shepard/Ryder I want as my 3rd PT for both the Trilogy and Andromeda. In gross details.
Chances are, when the snow comes again, I might even run the whole saga from the beginning to end, Milky Way to Andromeda Saga, particularly if we get a great DLC by then.
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Post by Mihura on May 5, 2017 16:24:37 GMT
Here is the thing, I agree. ME1 has really boring characters, the combat was to clunky and so was the inventory system. There was no gay romance and the CC wasnt the best. ME:A did all of this but nor perfectly either and had a huge boring main story with huge maps with nothing. I to this day can still play several PTs of ME1/2/3 but cannot bring myself to even finish a second one for ME:A. The main story in a RPG is crucial without it the other aspects are fluff only. Do you need a gay parade to announce every character?  I for the love of the Maker do not understand where that question come from. Did you just use the straw man, red hearing and load question in one sentence to argue by point of view? |
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Post by dmc1001 on May 5, 2017 16:29:22 GMT
Do you need a gay parade to announce every character? I for the love of the Maker do not understand where that question come from. Did you just use the straw man, red hearing and load question in one sentence to argue by point on view? Psst. There's a new mod to allow mShep to romance Kaidan and fShep to romance Ashley. Works flawlessly. Clearly, the gay stuff was the only takeaway from your post.  |
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2017 16:41:51 GMT
Yeah people have the nostalgia shades on when it comes to ME1. MEA had some inventory problems but ME1 was just ridiculous. And oh man the controls were super clunky and did anyone try the sniper rifles? Geez.... I definitely think the story carried ME1. Without that you start to see the problems. I just played ME1 less than a month ago. You have a very unique description of nostalgia.  |
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Post by goishen on May 5, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
I can even see how he thinks that. It's a mid-tier shooter with some RPG elements (which is its own problem as far as whether or not you like RPG's) without the story. My thing is that as of today, I can take or leave RPG's. Set them in a high fantasy world? I can mostly leave them. Set them in space, I'm more apt to try them. Yesteryear, about 2001-2010 (ish), I could definitely leave them no matter what time period you set them in.
The high fantasy world is just way overdone with RPG's.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 5, 2017 16:57:32 GMT
I like ME3 as well. I think ME2 was more fun. Can't really say why? Maybe the mood of ME3 detracted somewhat from the pure fun factor, but ME3 was definitely the most emotional. It's the only one that made tears come out of my eyes at points. But that emotion was earned on the back of ME2. By itself ME3, although packaged nicely, would be a empty shell. Which is why I could never consider it the best. But I can still understand why you would consider it the best.
What really bugs me about ME2 is that it has oodles of ingredients that would build up into my favorite game, like the atmosphere and the cast of colorful violent misfits, but then gets bogged down by the reaper plot and fails to really advance it. If this was some other point in the Milky Way's history and we were instead fighting some Independence Day type aliens that lived in the galactic core, I probably would have enjoyed it more. At least then we wouldn't have that godawful human reaper. Harbinger was a disposable muppet with anyway, and his voice was greatly inferior to Sovereign. Starchild was a fool to make that thing its representative. Because Bioware did not plan this out despite the claim that it was always intended to be a trilogy. They completely wasted the events of ME1. So we end up with 2 not being all that relevant and 3 being a deus ex machina. This has been my own major criticism of ME2 as well. It's like Ep1 in the Star Wars series which does not really forward the plot. So instead of telling a story in 3 movies the coming of Vader was crammed into 2 movies and the rush job shows. I've never really looked at ME2 as a Reaper story. It's just this fun episodic side story. While I see people praising the suicide mission like it's the best thing ever I was never impressed. I loved ME1's ending, but ME2's was "meh". |
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Post by warrior on May 5, 2017 17:09:59 GMT
I just started a new game of ME1.
The thing is that this game knows how to tell a story and worldbuild properly. The way you're launched into the narrative and the way the narrative flows is much better. Saren as a villain who turns out to be the pawn of the greater villain is also good bc, unlike the Archon, it gives his villainy a little more complexity.
I miss the actual gameplay of MEA, though--it's much cleaner to me. And wow is it hard to create a decent looking femShep. I watched that intro an ungodly amount of times before giving up and accepting an ugly character. Even the default looked weird in the game's lighting. Though the speaking animations are better, as others have pointed out...
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Post by griffith82 on May 5, 2017 17:20:47 GMT
Well that didn't take long. Nearly every thread no matter the starting topic devolves into an ending debate. *sigh*
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Post by KaiserShep on May 5, 2017 17:35:33 GMT
I just started a new game of ME1. The thing is that this game knows how to tell a story and worldbuild properly. The way you're launched into the narrative and the way the narrative flows is much better. Saren as a villain who turns out to be the pawn of the greater villain is also good bc, unlike the Archon, it gives his villainy a little more complexity. I miss the actual gameplay of MEA, though--it's much cleaner to me. And wow is it hard to create a decent looking femShep. I watched that intro an ungodly amount of times before giving up and accepting an ugly character. Even the default looked weird in the game's lighting. Though the speaking animations are better, as others have pointed out... I found I had an easier time with FemShep than I did with Bro. One wrong move on the slider and suddenly I was going beyond Paleozoic. |
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Post by smilesja on May 5, 2017 17:39:36 GMT
What really bugs me about ME2 is that it has oodles of ingredients that would build up into my favorite game, like the atmosphere and the cast of colorful violent misfits, but then gets bogged down by the reaper plot and fails to really advance it. If this was some other point in the Milky Way's history and we were instead fighting some Independence Day type aliens that lived in the galactic core, I probably would have enjoyed it more. At least then we wouldn't have that godawful human reaper. Harbinger was a disposable muppet with anyway, and his voice was greatly inferior to Sovereign. Starchild was a fool to make that thing its representative. Because Bioware did not plan this out despite the claim that it was always intended to be a trilogy. They completely wasted the events of ME1. So we end up with 2 not being all that relevant and 3 being a deus ex machina. This has been my own major criticism of ME2 as well. It's like Ep1 in the Star Wars series which does not really forward the plot. So instead of telling a story in 3 movies the coming of Vader was crammed into 2 movies and the rush job shows. I've never really looked at ME2 as a Reaper story. It's just this fun episodic side story. While I see people praising the suicide mission like it's the best thing ever I was never impressed. I loved ME1's ending, but ME2's was "meh". One advantage that ME: A has is that they can plan out where the game will go. I think the transition will go smoother in the sequels. |
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Inspiring the desire to do a third one (even if not acted upon) is like... wow! All 4 games did that, but tbh. I can tell you what kind of Shepard/Ryder I want as my 3rd PT for both the Trilogy and Andromeda. In gross details. 
