People need to stop praising ME1

I know, right.

I wanted to bang that, but Joker had dibs. Oh well, I would be there on the rebound once the magic is gone... Tracy Heifer sold Edi. Badass.

So what, right now any works needs to be loved by everybody at the moment of release, there needs to be a majority consensus for everything and if there is not, it means its not good?

Just because a work is controversial at the time of his release or is not universally acclaimed immediatly does not mean its not good its just that many people did not liked it or think its good. Internet opinion does not mean shit for many people and they are not wrong because they decide to think otherwise, since when a works having discussion and debates about means its not good?

People seems to think dying light is a good zombie game, I think its quite bad and average at best I had to force myself to finish it even if I did have some appreciation for dead island. While mass effect andromeda is highly controversial and I think its an overall good game, even If I think it could be improved in significant ways. Jim sterling thinks modern warfare 3 is a good game at the same time he thinks mario kart 7 is not a good one. Do we have to rework our brain to think like the people who don't share our opinion about it?

A lot of works have been controversial in history, they divided people back in the day. There are tons of exemple that cause controversy, discussion, division when they came out. I will leave you to this tropes : tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VindicatedByHistory



Van gogh is now recognized as a great painter and his painting are among the most expansive one. Yet when he was still alive, he had a harsh time selling any of them, because nobody wanted any.


Same for rembrandt Night's watch (No not that night watch, the painting), when it came out it was not well received, due to being seen as less acurate and precise painting than rembrandt previous work. It was not what people excepted of him, they wanted something more alike his previous painting. Yet centuries after his death, right now this painting is considered his best work.



The reverse can also happen. The birth of Venus from Cabanel was acclaimed at the time it was release, it was THE painting that artisit should try to immitate. A long time after it was painted, people started to think differently and looked at this painting as a kind of a "too classical" work and it was not that great. And I can go on and on about the exemple throught history
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The fact that a specific works has some controversy, discussion, debates when it is release, and that it divides people does not mean its good or bad, it does not make it into a fact. You can think the way you want, but its certainly not because a work is controversial or is not universally acclaimed that it means its shit. 

Folks gotta have something interesting to talk about around here.  Perhaps MEA isn't it?  

I wanted Andromeda to take me to a new place and leave the Milky Way behind. Instead I got not-Wrex (Drack), not-Ashley (Cora), not-Liara (Peebee), not-Normandy (Tempest), not-Reapers (Kett), not-Reaper technology... well, you see where I'm going. Then SAM pretty much is a buttplug you can't remove. It's uncomfortable, annoying and I didn't want it there in the first place. Compound that with the fact that we're really not human at all, but super synths made to look human without facial expressions. Losing my shit when I'm trying to upgrade a weapon because what the AI lacks in strategy it makes up in bullet-soaking. I won't go over the release of the game prior to 1.05. So yeah... there is GREAT POTENTIAL there, but I got bored and disconnected with it in less than two runs. I wanted BioWARE to kick ass for personal reasons. Andromeda was a bunt single in baseball terms. It was cheap, but effective enough that there is some hope for it down the road. BioWare learned nothing from Inquisition and didn't apply what worked there to Andromeda. This is why I point my finger at Bioware along with EA. 

To be honest, Cora and Peebee are very different from Ash/Liara and even the Kett seem to be different from the Reapers. The only "clone" is Drack/Wrex but even he has different views from Wrex. That being said ME:A fulfilled the great potential to me and I'm looking forward to more.

Since the existence of muslims in the first century did not have a single thing to do with the staetement you were critquing, I thought either that you were having some kind of mental fit, or were being plagued with an inadequate reading ability. No, I was not wrong, because I was not being literal, if that can't be grasped by your pea brain that is of no concern to me. Since further discource between us is a pointless endeavor (and you cannot assail the actual point I made in the sentence, that majority rule has no relevance to the truth of a statement), you have better slide back into whatever the slacked jawed, toothless swamp you oiriginally emerged from. 

Great! I'm jealous. I wish I was with you. I do appreciate the underlying potential, but right now I can't see past the faults. I had issues with ME 3's ending not being addressed fully with the Extended Cut, but I do have the MEHEM mod. And guess what? I'm back to playing on the Unreal canvas. Sure, the Frostbite canvas is beautiful (it really doesn't shine on this current rig) but I know it's underutilized. The lack of music, the general unpolished voice acting and dialogue, the reused story line, the numerous bugs that are present, and some questionable main plot points and you can't help but see an unfinished product. And it basically it is... we need the DLC to complete the story. EA learned nothing from the original trilogy. They're exploiting it, not re-inventing it. Anyway, I'm jealous. I tried to get back into Fallout 4. Epic fail. I tried to get back into Inquisition, but once I went through the DLC for my canon run, I didn't want to restart it again. Modding will keep the franchise fresh, but EA knows better. YouTubers love doing lore shows that keep the product fresh in people's minds (whether they're playing or not), but you know... EA knows best. You're not going to believe this, but there were a lot of people at PAX South just trashing Bioware. The competition is smarter, wealthier and campaigning against Bioware. Because it will be extremely profitable, but again... EA knows best. Anyway, I'm jealous. Seriously. Wish I was there with you.

Almost everything in genre work is derivative. You can find very few completely original ideas. It really isn't a strike against ME at all.

First of all, great baseball analogy.  Heh but those things do break up no hitters too.  So bunt singles can be great too.  

But at the end of the day that is one of the things that I found really fascinating about Andromeda.  They put new and fascinating twists on old themes and plot points.  Especially with Drack and the Kett.  Drack may have been 'not Wrex', but he was a new twist on the classic Krogan archetype.  He was a mercenary who did not really care about the big picture and had lived for so long he really did not think he had anything to contribute, but then he learned better.  And he also cared deep down about his people but had it beaten out of him by centuries of misuse and neglect. Whereas Wrex always cared.  As far as the Kett is concerned, again very similar to the Reapers but they added a personal note to something that was very horrific in the OT...but yet I was never horrified by it.  The Husks I shot in ME 3 I never considered that they were anything more then mindless husks, the Kett though?  That could have been Jaal's family for crying out loud.  

They did take and learn a lot of the lessons from Inquisition.  The two biggest complaints in DA I was its 'open world' and its repetive fetch quests.  What did BioWare do?  Cut the amount of zones in half, make all but one of them relevant to the overall plot, and then add secondary side quests with stories that fill out the planet or the setting or a whole....or the character etc. etc. 

Hey you have every right to be.  I am not saying your opinion is invalid, quite the contrary, if you did not like how similar the game was to things that BioWare did on the trilogy I can...perfectly understand that.  People get different millages out of certain topics.  I am just saying that for me I thought these issues and topics were things that BW put new twists on and presented it in a fresh new light despite being so similar...

Though I really do not see Peebee as a discount Liara.  That one does not make any sense to me at all...and yet I really do not like either character. 

I didn't even touch them subverting tropes with giving Ryder the keys to the car in the opening hours of the game, like most RPG protags ever, but then Ryder had no idea what to do with it.