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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 17:51:38 GMT
How does not wanting to play ME3 stop you from playing ME1 again? Just play it and then end your Shepard's story there in your mind. It's still a complete game in and of itself. If I really truly hated the ending post-EC (which I don't), I could see myself being soured to starting the game again, knowing how it ends. Admittedly, the ending is one of the primary factors in my desire to never see anything resembling a prequel set in the Milky Way though. I get that this isn't entirely rational, but frankly, I don't care XD However, ME1 doesn't end with ME3... It's story ends with Shepard defeating Saren and climbing out of the rubble smiling. Lots of people often don't follow every work in a series so they are written to stand alone to some degree; and ME1 does just fine as a stand alone game. Certainly, people are free to go on whining about "sour grapes" for years on end. They're only hurting themselves... only denying themselves of further enjoyment of something they claim to have enjoyed so much. I just don't know they think the rest of us should care.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 17:53:13 GMT
How does not wanting to play ME3 stop you from playing ME1 again? Just play it and then end your Shepard's story there in your mind. It's still a complete game in and of itself. Because I know how the story will play out. I know that whatever victory Shepard wins in ME1 will turn to ashes. I know that Sovereign's menacing soliloquy is just the ramblings of a broken Starchild. And I know for all of Ash's toughness, she is destined for a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. We will shcorch the univershe....and when it ish done, and the franchishe ish ashesh, then...you have my permission to cry.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 18:00:52 GMT
How does not wanting to play ME3 stop you from playing ME1 again? Just play it and then end your Shepard's story there in your mind. It's still a complete game in and of itself. Because I know how the story will play out. I know that whatever victory Shepard wins in ME1 will turn to ashes. I know that Sovereign's menacing soliloquy is just the ramblings of a broken Starchild. And I know for all of Ash's toughness, she is destined for a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. One official choice of endings to the story involves Shepard dying at the end of ME2... and then ME3 never happens at all.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on May 8, 2017 18:01:08 GMT
You are entitled to your opinion OP,however i am entitled to mine and if i choose to wear rose tinted glasses when looking at an older game so be it.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2017 18:02:10 GMT
If I really truly hated the ending post-EC (which I don't), I could see myself being soured to starting the game again, knowing how it ends. Admittedly, the ending is one of the primary factors in my desire to never see anything resembling a prequel set in the Milky Way though. I get that this isn't entirely rational, but frankly, I don't care XD However, ME1 doesn't end with ME3... It's story ends with Shepard defeating Saren and climbing out of the rubble smiling. Lots of people often don't follow every work in a series so they are written to stand alone to some degree; and ME1 does just fine as a stand alone game. Certainly, people are free to go on whining about "sour grapes" for years on end. They're only hurting themselves... only denying themselves of further enjoyment of something they claim to have enjoyed so much. I just don't know they think the rest of us should care. And I never read a book by Stephen King again after the Dark Tower series. Never rewatched Lost or BSG after those shows ended. Some endings are so bad they poison the entire product. If you cannot understand that, then I envy you.
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Post by souljahbill14 on May 8, 2017 18:05:19 GMT
Ok let's compare ME1 to ME:A Shepard > Ryder Garrus > Liam Liara > Peebee Tali > Vetra Wrex > Drack Joker > Kallo Ashley > Cora Kaiden > Jaal Anderson > Dunn ME1 facial animations > ME:A facial animations ME1 music > ME:A music ME1 CC > ME:A CC Saren > Archon Reapers > Kett Geth > Remnant Mako > Nomad (mako at least had a cannon and could drive up almost anything) ME1 writing > ME:A writing Normandy > Tempest (Normandy has well-calibrated cannons) Now for the stuff in ME:A's favour... Frostbite Engine > Unreal 3 engine Tempest captains quarters > Normandy captains quarters ME:A combat > ME1 combat This is full of personal opinion.
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Post by decafhigh on May 8, 2017 18:32:10 GMT
Ok let's compare ME1 to ME:A Shepard > Ryder Garrus > Liam Liara > Peebee Tali > Vetra Wrex > Drack Joker > Kallo Ashley > Cora Kaiden > Jaal Anderson > Dunn ME1 facial animations > ME:A facial animations ME1 music > ME:A music ME1 CC > ME:A CC Saren > Archon Reapers > Kett Geth > Remnant Mako > Nomad (mako at least had a cannon and could drive up almost anything) ME1 writing > ME:A writing Normandy > Tempest (Normandy has well-calibrated cannons) Now for the stuff in ME:A's favour... Frostbite Engine > Unreal 3 engine Tempest captains quarters > Normandy captains quarters ME:A combat > ME1 combat Agree with everything but the Mako. I actually prefer the Nomad, sure you need to upgrade it to make it actually good but I'll trade that for being able to actually steer. A cannon would be cool though.
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Post by themikefest on May 8, 2017 18:35:38 GMT
And I know for all of Ash's toughness, she is destined for a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. Come now Iakus. You can't say that about your favorite character.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2017 18:37:12 GMT
And I know for all of Ash's toughness, she is destined for a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. Come now Iakus. You can't say that about your favorite character. I certainly don't LIKE saying it. But you can't say I'm wrong...
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 18:44:24 GMT
Ok let's compare ME1 to ME:A Shepard > Ryder Garrus > Liam Liara > Peebee Tali > Vetra Wrex > Drack Joker > Kallo Ashley > Cora Kaiden > Jaal Anderson > Dunn ME1 facial animations > ME:A facial animations ME1 music > ME:A music ME1 CC > ME:A CC Saren > Archon Reapers > Kett Geth > Remnant Mako > Nomad (mako at least had a cannon and could drive up almost anything) ME1 writing > ME:A writing Normandy > Tempest (Normandy has well-calibrated cannons) Now for the stuff in ME:A's favour... Frostbite Engine > Unreal 3 engine Tempest captains quarters > Normandy captains quarters ME:A combat > ME1 combat Some of these seem rather uneven, but remembering that this is ME1 and not later iterations of some of these characters...I dunno man. Garrus was kind of a statue in ME1 (though I'd really compare him to Vetra, not Liam, who is more like the dopey not-Kaidan of the group), and Tali? Way more so. There's just no way on Satan's brown earth that I can see Vetra getting beaten by the Space Gypsy Codex. As for the Tempest, beyond weaponry, I'll always consider it vastly superior to the Normandy in terms of its interior layout. Those turians were on drugs when they placed that galaxy map so far away from the bridge.
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Post by themikefest on May 8, 2017 18:47:39 GMT
I certainly don't LIKE saying it. But you can't say I'm wrong... I'm sure when Bioware releases a sequel to ME3, they won't have her wearing a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 18:50:28 GMT
However, ME1 doesn't end with ME3... It's story ends with Shepard defeating Saren and climbing out of the rubble smiling. Lots of people often don't follow every work in a series so they are written to stand alone to some degree; and ME1 does just fine as a stand alone game. Certainly, people are free to go on whining about "sour grapes" for years on end. They're only hurting themselves... only denying themselves of further enjoyment of something they claim to have enjoyed so much. I just don't know they think the rest of us should care. And I never read a book by Stephen King again after the Dark Tower series. Never rewatched Lost or BSG after those shows ended. Some endings are so bad they poison the entire product. If you cannot understand that, then I envy you. I could "understand" you not ever buying another Bioware game (lots of people have those sorts of grudges). They are still grudges, but people have a right to not spend their money where they please.... but you're denying yourself something you've already bought that you say you had enjoyed. If I enjoy something the first time, then it's an almost surety that I'll enjoy it again and again. I don't need to like every Picasso or Van Gough to continually enjoy looking at some of them. I don't need to like every book written by an author to continue to enjoy the ones I've already read and enjoyed. When I was a kid, I didn't need to love or even read every Hardy Boys book to have still enjoyed some of them enough to read them more than once. Even though each book was connected by some of the characters or locations... they still were standalone stories... and ME1 is a standalone game in its own right.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 18:52:08 GMT
I certainly don't LIKE saying it. But you can't say I'm wrong... I'm sure when Bioware releases a sequel to ME3, they won't have her wearing a tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots Hah. A sequel. That's a long wait for a train don't come.
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Post by themikefest on May 8, 2017 18:54:21 GMT
Hah. A sequel. That's a long wait for a train don't come. Then the train will miss out.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 8, 2017 19:02:21 GMT
Come now Iakus. You can't say that about your favorite character. I certainly don't LIKE saying it. But you can't say I'm wrong... But since your signature already says that you are using mods, why not just use one more: www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/157/?
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2017 19:09:16 GMT
Yeah, I've tried using that one. But for whatever reason, that mod simply will not work for me.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 8, 2017 19:19:54 GMT
Yeah, I've tried using that one. But for whatever reason, that mod simply will not work for me. I'll grant you, it can be a bit tricky to use, especially in combination with some other mods but it's just been updated in March and the new version works well for me. Alternatively, there is always Virmire.
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Post by colfoley on May 8, 2017 19:55:33 GMT
Honestly its hard to think of one thing that ME 1 does better then MEA. Gameplay? Nah. RPG Elements? Not even close. Story: Not really. Oh wait...I got something. Lack of bugs. That's right. There were less bugs in ME 1...but then when I got my hands on it it was already out for like what...6 years? Pacing is better. There are no continuity problems. Writing is constistent. There are no immersion breaking, hard to believe "plot holes". Oh and for the love of god, answer this ONE damn time already: Name the RPG elements. Comparing a 10year old game with a fresh one when it comes to graphics and fluent gameplay... jesus, amazing. Can it become any more stupid? ...in MEA. I suppose not but then there really aren't in Andromeda either. Nothing major anyways. There are several plot holes, all major ones, in ME 1. Especially when you consider the rest of the series. There are none in MEA. The inventory system is better. The freedom to level up and create your character is better. There is a crafting system, which while it sucks, is better then one that does not exist. The dialogue system is also better. Light years better. People say that Andromedas system is 'four ways of the paragon', i found ME 1s to be 'three ways of the bland' Arguably the only advantage ME 1 has is its CC. And even then by personal taste i have to go with MEAs. Of course all of this is personal taste. I don't know about that either. There were games that had very fluid gameplay released in 2007. ME 1 gets a pass because it was Biowares first shooter. In fact it gets a pass on the RPG stuff too for much the same reason. But that does not mean Andromeda can't be acknowledged for the improvements it's made.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 19:57:36 GMT
There are several plot holes, all major ones, in ME 1. Especially when you consider the rest of the series. There are none in MEA. Lying is still a thing, I see.
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Post by cloud9 on May 8, 2017 20:20:21 GMT
Hell even Uncharted: Drake's Fortune has better graphics, combat, and cinematics kills Mass Effect. Sad really.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 8, 2017 20:25:59 GMT
Hell even Uncharted: Drake's Fortune has better graphics, combat, and cinematics kills Mass Effect. Sad really. I am just going to consider you a fool in this matter. The combat in the first Drake game is awful. You can hardly aim your firearm and hit the target due to its wonky mechanics. The graphics are better in MEA as well. Naughty Dog also manufactures games differently then BioWare. There is a video somewhere on YouTube about it.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 8, 2017 20:37:33 GMT
Ok let's compare ME1 to ME:A Shepard > Ryder Garrus > Liam Liara > Peebee Tali > Vetra Wrex > Drack Joker > Kallo Ashley > Cora Kaiden > Jaal Anderson > Dunn ME1 facial animations > ME:A facial animations ME1 music > ME:A music ME1 CC > ME:A CC Saren > Archon Reapers > Kett Geth > Remnant Mako > Nomad (mako at least had a cannon and could drive up almost anything) ME1 writing > ME:A writing Normandy > Tempest (Normandy has well-calibrated cannons) Now for the stuff in ME:A's favour... Frostbite Engine > Unreal 3 engine Tempest captains quarters > Normandy captains quarters ME:A combat > ME1 combat Some of these seem rather uneven, but remembering that this is ME1 and not later iterations of some of these characters...I dunno man. Garrus was kind of a statue in ME1 (though I'd really compare him to Vetra, not Liam, who is more like the dopey not-Kaidan of the group), and Tali? Way more so. There's just no way on Satan's brown earth that I can see Vetra getting beaten by the Space Gypsy Codex. As for the Tempest, beyond weaponry, I'll always consider it vastly superior to the Normandy in terms of its interior layout. Those turians were on drugs when they placed that galaxy map so far away from the bridge. Companions in MEA aren't exact copies of MET comps, they are part-mashup, part-original. When talking to them I often had a feeling that I've already seen\heard whatever the interaction was about, but it's not that obvious. Vetra is nothing like Ash, even though these 2 cut-scenes start in exactly same way.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 20:40:34 GMT
I'm not keen on either romance, but then, Liara is honestly the only romance I genuinely enjoy in the trilogy.
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Post by colfoley on May 8, 2017 20:46:58 GMT
There are several plot holes, all major ones, in ME 1. Especially when you consider the rest of the series. There are none in MEA. Lying is still a thing, I see. or different opinions are still a thing.
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Post by linksocarina on May 8, 2017 20:49:31 GMT
However, ME1 doesn't end with ME3... It's story ends with Shepard defeating Saren and climbing out of the rubble smiling. Lots of people often don't follow every work in a series so they are written to stand alone to some degree; and ME1 does just fine as a stand alone game. Certainly, people are free to go on whining about "sour grapes" for years on end. They're only hurting themselves... only denying themselves of further enjoyment of something they claim to have enjoyed so much. I just don't know they think the rest of us should care. And I never read a book by Stephen King again after the Dark Tower series. Never rewatched Lost or BSG after those shows ended. Some endings are so bad they poison the entire product. If you cannot understand that, then I envy you. I love the metaphorical endings of bsg and lost...then again I would.
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