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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 4, 2017 19:51:56 GMT
Characters, story, gameplay, all better in ME1 yep. Hell, the characters even look better and react better in ME1 than MEA in a lot of ways.
Ehhhhhhhh well to each his own I guess, but I always thought ME1's gameplay was super rough, even after actually getting the full hang of it playing all the time. As for character reactivity, the one and only character that truly reacts to anything is Wrex. So I guess that sort of counts (though his "reaction" is a scripted standoff you cannot avoid under any circumstances), but it's still just the one character. In general though, I'm more on the side of Dragon Age when it comes to companion reactivity. Mass Effect has always been shallow as a frisbee in comparison. GARRUS? TALI? LIARA? KAIDEN? WTF!?! With that said, you're right. Garrus and the usual suspects of great voice actors are built upon the greatness that Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, Sten, Zevran, Wynne, Oghren, etc. displayed in Origins.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:52:53 GMT
Why stop?
Credit where credit is due. ME1 is a great game. Played it twice in 2016/2017 as a part of full trilogy runs. Won't do it again, though, because yep, gameplay.... I like Andromeda too. Again, credit where credit is due.
Seriously, in our day and age, on social media, thanks goodness something, anything at all gets praised.
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Post by suikoden on May 4, 2017 19:53:01 GMT
Characters, story, gameplay, all better in ME1 yep. Hell, the characters even look better and react better in ME1 than MEA in a lot of ways.
The charcters in ME1 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me until ME2. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference. Also I can't judge any of the MT games alone before I play them as a trilogy. I have no idea how I would respond to any of them as a single gaming expereince. I do know I think the character writting ME1 sucks. To each their own. You just have a real lack of a critical eye if you gladly swallow ME:A and bitch about a game that did almost everything better 10 years ago. Even the animations are better lol
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Post by Iakus on May 4, 2017 19:53:06 GMT
The characters in ME1 are real not exaggerated comic book, one liner spewing, attempting meme machine, childs who need Shepard/Ryder to solve all their mundane/idiotic/daddy issues. No, they are boring characters with little dialouge, and bland dissinteresting personalities. You don't have to be wooden and boring to be real. The fact that they are not so in the sequels is my evidence. The last time I played ME1 (just a few months ago) I was shocked how much I didn't give a shit about Garrus, and how all of my good feelings towards him was a carryover from having player ME2-3. Like I said, for me, worst character writing in a Bioware game (great characters thought, that really shine in the sequels). Funny i felt the same way about Ashley WIlliams in ME3, once they glammed her up and got her into the tinfoil miniskirt and thigh-high boots. She was like a completely different person. A much more BORING person.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 4, 2017 19:53:13 GMT
Characters, story, gameplay, all better in ME1 yep. Hell, the characters even look better and react better in ME1 than MEA in a lot of ways.
The charcters in ME1 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me until ME2. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference. Also I can't judge any of the MT games alone before I play them as a trilogy. I have no idea how I would respond to any of them as a single gaming expereince. I do know I think the character writting ME1 sucks. To each their own. The charcters in MEA are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me at all. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference.. I do know I think the character writting MEA sucks. To each their own.
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Post by Iakus on May 4, 2017 19:53:36 GMT
Why stop?
Credit where credit is due. ME1 is a great game. Played it twice in 2016/2017 as a part of full trilogy runs. Won't do it again. I like Andromeda too. Again, credit where credit is due.
Seriously, in our day and age, on social media, thanks goodness something, anything at all gets praised. I literally lost count of the number of times I played ME1.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 4, 2017 19:53:58 GMT
The charcters in ME1 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me until ME2. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference. Also I can't judge any of the MT games alone before I play them as a trilogy. I have no idea how I would respond to any of them as a single gaming expereince. I do know I think the character writting ME1 sucks. To each their own. The characters in ME1 are real not exaggerated comic book, one liner spewing, attempting meme machine, childs who need Shepard/Ryder to solve all their mundane/idiotic/daddy issues. They're not exaggerated, but they are rather stiff, Liara and Tali in particular. Wrex and Ashley are about the only characters in the crew that have anything resembling a discernibly strong personality. More than that, the characters are like islands on the ship, which is a problem that didn't go away until ME3, when they actually moved around and acknowledged the existence of the rest of the crew.
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 19:55:02 GMT
The charcters in ME1 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me until ME2. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference. Also I can't judge any of the MT games alone before I play them as a trilogy. I have no idea how I would respond to any of them as a single gaming expereince. I do know I think the character writting ME1 sucks. To each their own. You just have a real lack of a critical eye if you gladly swallow ME:A and bitch about a game that did almost everything better 10 years ago. Even the animations are better lol And your a unstable loony tune who can't admit that other people have different opinions than you. I have an English degree and worked on a literary magazine, what are your qualifications?
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 4, 2017 19:56:00 GMT
I'd still be playing ME1 now if ME3 didn't turn Shepard's story into a radioactive garbage fire. Oh, come on, ME3 is very enjoyable if you yell "LALALALALA I can't hear you" when appropriate (mostly whenever Kai Leng shows up) and use an ending mod. To me Kai Leng was actually worse than the ending. I mean that. Worst character EVER. Top 3 worst things about the trilogy: 1. Kai Leng 2. FemShep talking to Jacob 3. the ending(s)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:56:53 GMT
Why stop?
Credit where credit is due. ME1 is a great game. Played it twice in 2016/2017 as a part of full trilogy runs. Won't do it again. I like Andromeda too. Again, credit where credit is due.
Seriously, in our day and age, on social media, thanks goodness something, anything at all gets praised. I literally lost count of the number of times I played ME1. That's great. I liked my two runs of the trilogy, they were awesome.
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 19:57:24 GMT
The charcters in ME1 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me until ME2. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference. Also I can't judge any of the MT games alone before I play them as a trilogy. I have no idea how I would respond to any of them as a single gaming expereince. I do know I think the character writting ME1 sucks. To each their own. The charcters in ME3 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me at all. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference.. I do know I think the character writting ME3 sucks. To each their own. The characters in ME3 are not wooden, you might not like the writing in that game, but you need to come up with a better word to excapsulate that than just repeating my own. I agree that we will just have to disagree on this (which was the whole point of my post to begin with).
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Post by n7vakarian on May 4, 2017 19:58:41 GMT
Sorry op but ME1 is by far the best ME game. The sense of wonder and just the atmosphere hasn't been topped at all out of all the games. Sure ME3 had the better gameplay but ME1 had it everywhere else it counted. You're going to have to learn to deal with people praising the games they thought were good and if you can't well maybe the net is not the place for you?
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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 4, 2017 19:59:08 GMT
The charcters in ME3 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me at all. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference.. I do know I think the character writting ME3 sucks. To each their own. The characters in ME3 are not wooden, you might not like the writing in that game, but you need to come up with a better word to excapsulate that than just repeating my own. I agree that we will just have to disagree on this (which was the whole point of my post to begin with). You copied before I edited. I meant MEA, as shows in my fixed post lol.
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Post by rpgmaster on May 4, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
The characters in ME1 are real not exaggerated comic book, one liner spewing, attempting meme machine, childs who need Shepard/Ryder to solve all their mundane/idiotic/daddy issues. No, they are boring characters with little dialouge, and bland dissinteresting personalities. You don't have to be wooden and boring to be real. The fact that they are not so in the sequels is my evidence. The last time I played ME1 (just a few months ago) I was shocked how much I didn't give a shit about Garrus, and how all of my good feelings towards him was a carryover from having player ME2-3. Like I said, for me, worst character writing in a Bioware game (great characters thought, that really shine in the sequels). They're boring to you because they act like adults with responsibilities and duties and their character traits and growth are nuanced and you can't grasp that. You want garbage Joss Whedon cartoon cartoons who act like children, act randomly for the lols and have obvious, simple character traits that can be memed and drawn into fanart. Admit it. Your avatar is Merrill for Christ's sake, one of the most horribly, infanile, stupid, written characters BioWare has ever written. By the end of ME1 I felt like I had assembled a close knit crew and I certainly liked Tali and Garrus and found them interesting and unique characters. So none of this "people only liked them because of ME2" bollocks. These characters (Ashley, DeadKaidan, Liara, Tali, Wrex and Garrus) were one of the reasons I anticipated ME2.
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Post by colfoley on May 4, 2017 20:01:33 GMT
ME 1 was a clunky mess of a game with a servicable story and solid cast. Tier 2.
But after playing it AFTER playing DA I man it was hard not to downgrade it. After the solid and smooth and fast paced combat on top of great RPG mechanics it just made ME 1 really hard to play. Especially on higher difficulties where the enemies became such meat shields. Like you could press the trigger down on an enemy,make a sandwich, and they'd still be alive.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 4, 2017 20:05:12 GMT
Look at the game from the 2007 time period rather than now. Of course 07 graphics and controls will look/feel like crap compared to what we have now, kind of a given and one would be naive to think otherwise. Regardless I would say it's aged well considering it hasn't stopped me from playing even after playing games that look much much better. Graphics are the last thing I look for in a game and I'm serious, I can play pixel games and not be bothered so long as it plays great and it has a great story to play through. Which ME1 does, and it's the best of the franchise to me. I'll just put it right here, EVERYTHING I say about this game WiLL BE OPINION! Gameplay: I view the gameplay superior to the rest of the franchise, why? Well I'm not restricted to 3 abilities (andromeda), and I'm not using an auto cover system (andromeda), I also can use the strategic camera and wheel since I think it was the best in ME1 while ever since it slowly deteriorated to be more if a gears of war game with ME2+3. You were also restricted on what weapons depending on your class, it made that decision matter more where as after ME2 they gave you the ability to use whatever weapons. It also had the most intriguing inventory system, you could change weapons + armor on the fly but it was a disorganized mess (unfortunate they scrapped it rather than actually fixing it). You also didn't have to go out of your way for materials or mine crap to make gear, that was/is a huge turn off with ME2 and andromeda (ME3 scrapped it and instead spoon fed you the weapons). Next up is the mako, clumsy, the most annoying thing about that game when you spend 15 minutes looking for the right spot just to climb a mountain.......only to slide right back down the fucking mountain and trying again and again. However, regardless of its issues, it did help sport the exploration theme to the game just as the nomad does for andromeda but better. It had a gun, and it didn't have no 4 wheel/6 wheel drive bullshit put in place just "because" and it kept a constant speed regardless of terrain unless going straight up a mountain (so annoying having to switch between 4/6 wheel drive in the nomad fir the smallest of slopes. So while annoying, I'd still say the mako is the best vehicle in the series that you drive (sorry to those who want to bring up the kodiak). Dialogue: was just fine, and at it's time was probably the best one out there. Compare it's potential to what andromeda attempted to achieve andromeda (and it's not even just andromeda that fails on it, look at FO4 as another) could've been better on the 4+ options had they actually differed, but ME1 made two options better than saying yes in 4 different ways seriously though, I loved what they were trying to do with andromeda dialogue, but if they can't make it work go back to the paragon/renegade system as it actually worked and had differences, people didn't go back and replay those games various times for nothing. Sound: again, in 07s time it wasn't that bad, I'd expect games now a days to sound better. Let's look at the music now, I'll just bunch up ME1-3 together on this one as they all made music a big part of their games, it gave life to their environments/scenes, and you'll see the music is a big part of why ME1 in specific was popular because of it. Story: well since you agree it's good I'll just cut it short and say awesome. I could go on and on, but I only tried responding to what I saw you mention as I could write an essay on ME1. You'll find ME1 is my favorite of the franchise, you'll also find what I do like about andromeda is because it follows some of the roots ME1 established that ME2+3 abandoned. Exploration being a part of it, not being restricted to bland corridors where that gears of war shooter (ME2+3) comes into play. It also felt more like an RPG than the other two, and you'll find out I also see andromeda more of an RPG than ME2+3 because of it incorporting what ME1 had. A big part of why ME1 was so popular is this question right here. How many sci-fi space RPGs are out there in the market? Especially ones that have you choices, and ones that happened to carry over into the next game? The concept of ME was new at the time, it got a lot of interest because of that. It also introduced the franchise which just makes it even better, many games that first introduce said world happen to be a lot of people's favorites when it comes to said franchise.
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Post by mofojokers on May 4, 2017 20:05:59 GMT
No, they are boring characters with little dialouge, and bland dissinteresting personalities. You don't have to be wooden and boring to be real. The fact that they are not so in the sequels is my evidence. The last time I played ME1 (just a few months ago) I was shocked how much I didn't give a shit about Garrus, and how all of my good feelings towards him was a carryover from having player ME2-3. Like I said, for me, worst character writing in a Bioware game (great characters thought, that really shine in the sequels). They're boring to you because they act like adults with responsibilities and duties and their character traits and growth are nuanced and you can't grasp that. You want garbage Joss Whedon cartoon cartoons who act like children, act randomly for the lols and have obvious, simple character traits that can be memed and drawn into fanart. Admit it. Your avatar is Merrill for Christ's sake, one of the most horribly, infanile, stupid, written characters BioWare has ever written. By the end of ME1 I felt like I had assembled a close knit crew and I certainly liked Tali and Garrus and found them interesting and unique characters. So none of this "people only liked them because of ME2" bollocks. These characters (Ashley, DeadKaidan, Liara, Tali, Wrex and Garrus) were one of the reasons I anticipated ME2. Buddy you just said it best and a reason i can't stand MEA. The Joss Whedon cartoonish people doing things for lols annoys me. I really want them to step away from it and go for a more darker and mature style. Like found in the original ME or Witcher 3. The cringe worthy writing in MEA cuts to the bone for me as a Mass Effect huge fan.
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Post by rpgmaster on May 4, 2017 20:06:10 GMT
The characters in ME1 are real not exaggerated comic book, one liner spewing, attempting meme machine, childs who need Shepard/Ryder to solve all their mundane/idiotic/daddy issues. They're not exaggerated, but they are rather stiff, Liara and Tali in particular. Wrex and Ashley are about the only characters in the crew that have anything resembling a discernibly strong personality. More than that, the characters are like islands on the ship, which is a problem that didn't go away until ME3, when they actually moved around and acknowledged the existence of the rest of the crew. It wasn't a problem. I like that each character had his/her own corner of the ship. You always knew where find them. When the characters move around so much (like in ME:A) that you need a map to find them then you have a problem.
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 20:12:31 GMT
No, they are boring characters with little dialouge, and bland dissinteresting personalities. You don't have to be wooden and boring to be real. The fact that they are not so in the sequels is my evidence. The last time I played ME1 (just a few months ago) I was shocked how much I didn't give a shit about Garrus, and how all of my good feelings towards him was a carryover from having player ME2-3. Like I said, for me, worst character writing in a Bioware game (great characters thought, that really shine in the sequels). They're boring to you because they act like adults with responsibilities and duties and their character traits and growth are nuanced and you can't grasp that. You want garbage Joss Whedon cartoon cartoons who act like children, act randomly for the lols and have obvious, simple character traits that can be memed and drawn into fanart. Admit it. Your avatar is Merrill for Christ's sake, one of the most horribly, infanile, stupid, written characters BioWare has ever written. By the end of ME1 I felt like I had assembled a close knit crew and I certainly liked Tali and Garrus and found them interesting and unique characters. So none of this "people only liked them because of ME2" bollocks. These characters (Ashley, DeadKaidan, Liara, Tali, Wrex and Garrus) were one of the reasons I anticipated ME2. No they are boring to me because they have nothing of interest to say, and are mostly walikng codexes to deliver background and species info. Calling someone else immature for different taste or interest calls into question the matturity of the person making the accusation. It's fine that you enjoyed your experience with the characters in the game (as I said, I am not knocking the characters, just the writing). It is also completely true that I had an alternative experience. The game is really good, and has a great story, which helps mask the underwritten characters, but I'm not myself very sure how much I would like it if I didn't take it as part one in a trilogy. If you want my honest opinion, at this point in development, I'd give the Trilogy as a whole higher marks than MEA, but I would still criticize the writing in the first game. DAO has better writing. That is, of course, an opinion.
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 20:13:32 GMT
The characters in ME3 are not wooden, you might not like the writing in that game, but you need to come up with a better word to excapsulate that than just repeating my own. I agree that we will just have to disagree on this (which was the whole point of my post to begin with). You copied before I edited. I meant MEA, as shows in my fixed post lol. Ok, apologies, critique still stands.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 4, 2017 20:13:34 GMT
They're not exaggerated, but they are rather stiff, Liara and Tali in particular. Wrex and Ashley are about the only characters in the crew that have anything resembling a discernibly strong personality. More than that, the characters are like islands on the ship, which is a problem that didn't go away until ME3, when they actually moved around and acknowledged the existence of the rest of the crew. It wasn't a problem. I like that each character had his/her own corner of the ship. You always knew where find them. When the characters move around so much (like in ME:A) that you need a map to find them then you have a problem. Oh see now this is just whiny nonsense for the heck of it. The Tempest is tiny. It doesn't even take a minute to determine where anyone is on the ship, especially since they only cycle between certain zones on each deck (like Jaal is always either in the crew quarters or cargo bay when not in the tech lab). I've never once used the map to do it, and "critical" dialogue always takes place in their designated quarters as well.
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Post by suikoden on May 4, 2017 20:15:51 GMT
You just have a real lack of a critical eye if you gladly swallow ME:A and bitch about a game that did almost everything better 10 years ago. Even the animations are better lol And your a unstable loony tune who can't admit that other people have different opinions than you. I have an English degree and worked on a literary magazine, what are your qualifications? I'll have to report you for attacking me like that. Try not to let yourself be so easily triggered. Are the animations better in ME:A? No. Story? Nope. Characters? Nope. Sound/Music - Hell no. Pew Pew Bang Bang? Yep. 1/5 versus a ten year old game is pretty bad. That's why it's on the verge of a 69% metacritic score. Right up there with Bioware's Sonic. If you were to compare Andromeda vs it's current peers and ME1 versus it's peers when it came out, in comparison - Andromeda is a fail on every front. Every current AAA comparable trounces Andromeda. IMO of course. Have a nice day!
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Post by decafhigh on May 4, 2017 20:16:49 GMT
ME1 is the best game of the series, why on earth would I stop praising it?
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 20:16:55 GMT
How did Sten fit into Tali's bodystocking...uncomfortable!
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