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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 2:02:41 GMT
dear god. For the last time being in a vacuum does not mean not having any lighting or storms. You can have a vacuum with an atmosphere. What a vacuum mean that there is a lack of a gas or product and pressure that is enough to cause sucking. Saying an environment is a vacuum does not mean it has no atmosphere, it mean there is enough pressure and lack of gas or a paticular gas to cause suction. The definition of vacuum is lack of gas. A perfect vacuum has zero pressure, which means zero atmosphere. As far as a lot (but not all) of Earth-based stuff is concerned to all practical intents and purposes Martian atmospheric pressure is as good as vacuum. To say "it's not vacuum" is like saying "being stationary" means not moving at all, when moving an inch per millenium is, for most purposes, as good as stationary. And to say it's vacuum is reasonable enough in a lot of cases. no. One there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.there are only false ones. Look it up. Two.boyle's law says otherwise of that detail with pressure. Synthetic vacuum can be done with pressure. Three. Why Mars works as a vacuum is the lack of element in it's atmosphere. It not stationary. It just that the atmosphere is very thin and lacking a lot of the materials that are found in the body. If you go high enough in earth's atmosphere same thin would happen.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 2:11:14 GMT
The definition of vacuum is lack of gas. A perfect vacuum has zero pressure, which means zero atmosphere. As far as a lot (but not all) of Earth-based stuff is concerned to all practical intents and purposes Martian atmospheric pressure is as good as vacuum. To say "it's not vacuum" is like saying "being stationary" means not moving at all, when moving an inch per millenium is, for most purposes, as good as stationary. And to say it's vacuum is reasonable enough in a lot of cases. I think someone's mixing up vacuum and vacuum cleaners. Cause sucking? Lol. In H7 Ryder clearly said the atmosphere was not breathable. It may also have been a vacuum but I don't see the connection to floating rocks. Gravity holds stuff together, atmosphere or no. no that is the same conspt. Vacuum are called that for a reason. If you want to get real texhnical, perfect vacuums don't exist and scientific can create synthetic vacuums on earth. It can still be do with just a lack of an element.hell, this is the very reason why beings are able to breath. By boyle's law if you have an atmosphere with a high enough pressure of gas like [co2] and a container filled with [o] and make a hole in that container the [o] will go where there is no [o] which is the atmosphere filled with [co2]. The is an effect of a vacuum.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 3:48:40 GMT
*face palm. Ithe clear you did not understand what I just wrote. A statement of a vacuum does not mean nothing is there bUT a lack of element (gas) in one location apposed to another location causing a draw of that element to where it'says not due to pressure. That is boyle'so law....aka en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_lawWhat you keep missing is that planet lacks oxygen. It any environment lacks a gas and pressure element of that gad is present a vacuum is made. It matter not if it has an atmosphere. As the element is open and the gas move suction is made and a event of a vacuum is created. It's literally how we breath.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 3:53:15 GMT
Okay, as for Habitat 7... That's a planet with a fully functional atmosphere. It just isn't compatible with humans. AI they can't breathe the "air" there. This isn't speculation, or a long winded explanation either. Its directly stated in-game. As for your "Why didn't they JUST" as far as Alec and Ryder changing helmets: Evac was not "30" seconds away. It was 3-4 minutes away, and Ryder junior had already sustained enough damage to lose consciousness, both from the inhospitable atmosphere AND a botched transfer from SAM. This is explained via cutscene and convo after the fact. The scourge moving? There are NUMEROUS references as to how it seeks its targets. Conversations and at least THREE cutscenes. (Fleeing the Archon, Meridian, and the final battle) as well as several references with collectible anomalies. I'm not saying there aren't inconsistencies, but these mentioned here aren't for lack of proper information being presented. If you make it through the whole game without being aware something like the scourge can move that is most definitely an observational error on your part. You could blame the disinterest on lack of suspension of disbelief, but you really lose that point as you threw down money for the scifi genre in the first place. If you don't buy into those tropes, again, you have no one but yourself to blame for buying an item that is centered on them. Oh my gosh! You guys have totally convinced me! I LOVE this game now! ME-A is the bestest game EVER. Are you guys happy now? we are pointing out that it a you issue. Your like one those people who hate interstellar because they think that gravity effecting time part of the plot makes no sense.
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Post by Obadiah on May 13, 2017 4:03:57 GMT
*face palm. Ithe clear you did not understand what I just wrote. A statement of a vacuum does not mean nothing is there bUT a lack of element (gas) in one location apposed to another location causing a draw of that element to where it'says not due to pressure. That is boyle'so law....aka en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_lawWhat you keep missing is that planet lacks oxygen. It any environment lacks a gas and pressure element of that gad is present a vacuum is made. It matter not if it has an atmosphere. As the element is open and the gas move suction is made and a event of a vacuum is created. It's literally how we breath. Good god. My post wasn't a response to you in particular, it was just a post for reference so people would know what the atmosphere on Habitat 7 was. Also, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of something closer to "osmosis" where fluids move from high concentrations to low concentration across a membrane, and not Boyle's Law which is just about pressure in a volume. Don't let me get in the way of... whatever that explanation was. P.S. Just remembered the proper term for gas moving from an area of high concentration to low concentration, without any pressure difference, is diffusion.
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 13, 2017 4:22:39 GMT
*face palm. Ithe clear you did not understand what I just wrote. A statement of a vacuum does not mean nothing is there bUT a lack of element (gas) in one location apposed to another location causing a draw of that element to where it'says not due to pressure. That is boyle'so law....aka en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_lawWhat you keep missing is that planet lacks oxygen. It any environment lacks a gas and pressure element of that gad is present a vacuum is made. It matter not if it has an atmosphere. As the element is open and the gas move suction is made and a event of a vacuum is created. It's literally how we breath. *sish* No.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 4:56:39 GMT
*face palm. Ithe clear you did not understand what I just wrote. A statement of a vacuum does not mean nothing is there bUT a lack of element (gas) in one location apposed to another location causing a draw of that element to where it'says not due to pressure. That is boyle'so law....aka en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_lawWhat you keep missing is that planet lacks oxygen. It any environment lacks a gas and pressure element of that gad is present a vacuum is made. It matter not if it has an atmosphere. As the element is open and the gas move suction is made and a event of a vacuum is created. It's literally how we breath. *sish* No. dude. Yes. That is literally what is defined as what a vacuum is. I post the law of physics that cause is it. What do you not get about this?
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 5:00:58 GMT
*face palm. Ithe clear you did not understand what I just wrote. A statement of a vacuum does not mean nothing is there bUT a lack of element (gas) in one location apposed to another location causing a draw of that element to where it'says not due to pressure. That is boyle'so law....aka en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_lawWhat you keep missing is that planet lacks oxygen. It any environment lacks a gas and pressure element of that gad is present a vacuum is made. It matter not if it has an atmosphere. As the element is open and the gas move suction is made and a event of a vacuum is created. It's literally how we breath. Good god. My post wasn't a response to you in particular, it was just a post for reference so people would know what the atmosphere on Habitat 7 was. Also, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of something closer to "osmosis" where fluids move from high concentrations to low concentration across a membrane, and not Boyle's Law which is just about pressure in a volume. Don't let me get in the way of... whatever that explanation was. 1. Osmosis is just a term used for water and liquids though a membrane. 2. Boyle's law is for gas exchange. And it still vacuum. Add boyle's laws is what allows being the breath. I had to study this for a year as a medical student. I know this for a fact the boyle's law causes vacuums and is used for breathing.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 13, 2017 5:17:01 GMT
Good god. My post wasn't a response to you in particular, it was just a post for reference so people would know what the atmosphere on Habitat 7 was. Also, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of something closer to "osmosis" where fluids move from high concentrations to low concentration across a membrane, and not Boyle's Law which is just about pressure in a volume. Don't let me get in the way of... whatever that explanation was. 1. Osmosis is just a term used for water and liquids though a membrane. 2. Boyle's law is for gas exchange. And it still vacuum. Add boyle's laws is what allows being the breath. I had to study this for a year as a medical student. I know this for a fact the boyle's law causes vacuums and is used for breathing. I think you are confusing a "vacuum" with "negative pressure".
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 5:21:19 GMT
1. Osmosis is just a term used for water and liquids though a membrane. 2. Boyle's law is for gas exchange. And it still vacuum. Add boyle's laws is what allows being the breath. I had to study this for a year as a medical student. I know this for a fact the boyle's law causes vacuums and is used for breathing. I think you are confusing a "vacuum" with "negative pressure". vacuums are caused by negative pressure.It's how we make synthetic vacuums. Hell, the increase and decrease of gas presume is how we breath. The literal boyle'so law.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 13, 2017 5:22:30 GMT
we are pointing out that it a you issue. Your like one those people who hate interstellar because they think that gravity effecting time part of the plot makes no sense. I hate Interstellar because TARS and CASE are seriously the only properly good characters in the movie.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 5:29:33 GMT
we are pointing out that it a you issue. Your like one those people who hate interstellar because they think that gravity effecting time part of the plot makes no sense. I hate Interstellar because TARS and CASE are seriously the only properly good characters in the movie. I just hate how it went all space magic at the end with the black hole other then that I like the movie fine.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 13, 2017 5:32:09 GMT
I think you are confusing a "vacuum" with "negative pressure". vacuums are caused by negative pressure.It's how we make synthetic vacuums. Hell, the increase and decrease of gas presume is how we breath. The literal boyle'so law. Ah sorry, I thought you had to be talking about a physics vacuum, not an engineering vacuum. Because an engineering vacuum (lower than atmospheric pressure) wouldn't make sense for the atmosphere on a planet because that would be atmospheric pressure. So while you can have thunderstorms in areas of differing pressure, saying they can exist in a vacuum makes little sense because that would mean they exist in an atmosphere that is if lower pressure than the atmosphere, and that doesn't make any sense.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 5:40:31 GMT
vacuums are caused by negative pressure.It's how we make synthetic vacuums. Hell, the increase and decrease of gas presume is how we breath. The literal boyle'so law. Ah sorry, I thought you had to be talking about a physics vacuum, not an engineering vacuum. Because an engineering vacuum (lower than atmospheric pressure) wouldn't make sense for the atmosphere on a planet because that would be atmospheric pressure. So while you can have thunderstorms in areas of differing pressure, saying they can exist in a vacuum makes little sense because that would mean they exist in an atmosphere that is if lower pressure than the atmosphere, and that doesn't make any sense. when refer to a vacuum I'm refer to a state not that that it's close to a true vacuum. I mean that the effects of a vacuum will happen. As boyle's laws stated based on volume and pressure gas will move from one location to another. My point is the even with an atmosphere the planet will still act like a vacuum because it lacks oxygen. And based on boyle's law anything with oxygen in that environment will have all of it sucked out once it has any opening. Boyle's law is still a part of how vacuums work syteticly made or natural.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 13, 2017 5:48:53 GMT
Ah sorry, I thought you had to be talking about a physics vacuum, not an engineering vacuum. Because an engineering vacuum (lower than atmospheric pressure) wouldn't make sense for the atmosphere on a planet because that would be atmospheric pressure. So while you can have thunderstorms in areas of differing pressure, saying they can exist in a vacuum makes little sense because that would mean they exist in an atmosphere that is if lower pressure than the atmosphere, and that doesn't make any sense. when refer to a vacuum I'm refer to a state not that that it's close to a true vacuum. I mean that the effects of a vacuum will happen. As boyle's laws stated based on volume and pressure gas will move from one location to another. My point is the even with an atmosphere the planet will still act like a vacuum because it lacks oxygen. And based on boyle's law anything with oxygen in that environment will have all of it sucked out once it has any opening. Boyle's law is still a part of how vacuums work syteticly made or natural. That's not even close to true. Boyle's Law and vacuums aren't specific to elements missing. That's osmosis. Atmospheric pressure has nothing to do with oxygen. So the atmosphere can't have less pressure than itself.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 6:24:23 GMT
when refer to a vacuum I'm refer to a state not that that it's close to a true vacuum. I mean that the effects of a vacuum will happen. As boyle's laws stated based on volume and pressure gas will move from one location to another. My point is the even with an atmosphere the planet will still act like a vacuum because it lacks oxygen. And based on boyle's law anything with oxygen in that environment will have all of it sucked out once it has any opening. Boyle's law is still a part of how vacuums work syteticly made or natural. That's not even close to true. Boyle's Law and vacuums aren't specific to elements missing. That's osmosis. Atmospheric pressure has nothing to do with oxygen. So the atmosphere can't have less pressure than itself. 1. Boyle's law does refer to missing elements of gass. Example The law is pressure and volume equals consistency. It's how we breath. We breath through gas exchange due to pressure And it is how we breath. 2. Osmosis is with solutions and liquids not gas exchange. And even then that between a membrane.
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Post by unwanted on May 13, 2017 6:29:01 GMT
If I were to look out of my window and see a floating hedgehog, I would be reciting the experience to everyone I met for years, and a hedgehog is a lot smaller than a mountain.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 6:36:54 GMT
If I were to look out of my window and see a floating hedgehog, I would be reciting the experience to everyone I met for years, and a hedgehog is a lot smaller than a mountain.
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Post by unwanted on May 13, 2017 6:55:13 GMT
If I were to look out of my window and see a floating hedgehog, I would be reciting the experience to everyone I met for years, and a hedgehog is a lot smaller than a mountain. I do happen to live on a hill, but my lightheartedness is not due to lack of oxygen, I can assure you.
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Post by mfr001 on May 13, 2017 11:27:21 GMT
If I were to look out of my window and see a floating hedgehog, I would be reciting the experience to everyone I met for years, and a hedgehog is a lot smaller than a mountain. Well, it might just have happened that all the fleas on the hedgehog decided to jump up simultaneously taking the hedgehog with them. Alternatively, the fleas might all get underneath and split into groups jumping up in sequence to give the appearance of floating. So nothing weird here folks, just carry on as usual. (Now to sit back and wait for someone to work out how many fleas this would take for the average hedgehog. ) Alternatively the hedgehog might be getting high on Helium.
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Post by DarkBeaver on May 13, 2017 12:25:02 GMT
Oh my gosh! You guys have totally convinced me! I LOVE this game now! ME-A is the bestest game EVER. Are you guys happy now? we are pointing out that it a you issue. Your like one those people who hate interstellar because they think that gravity effecting time part of the plot makes no sense. You just dont get it. The opening is a chance ro set the tone for the game. Telling me that you can see the scourge move in the final battle DOES NOT change the first impression. You can probably write 4 paragraphs on how Liam is the greatest literary character since Hamlet, that will not change the fact that my first impression was that he was a doofus. I get it. You love the game. You want everyone to love the game like you do. I'm sorry you cannot accept that for some people, it was just meh.
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 12:59:52 GMT
we are pointing out that it a you issue. Your like one those people who hate interstellar because they think that gravity effecting time part of the plot makes no sense. You just dont get it. The opening is a chance ro set the tone for the game. Telling me that you can see the scourge move in the final battle DOES NOT change the first impression. You can probably write 4 paragraphs on how Liam is the greatest literary character since Hamlet, that will not change the fact that my first impression was that he was a doofus. I get it. You love the game. You want everyone to love the game like you do. I'm sorry you cannot accept that for some people, it was just meh. Three. Three cutscenes (at least) where the scourge moves. As well as numerous instances in the game that reference the scourge's ability to do so. And a lack of oxygen is not what defines or causes a vacuum people. A lack of pressure that would cause decompression would do this, but Habitat 7 has an atmospheric pressure of "2.3 Atmospheres." These measurements are in comparison to Earth as a standard.
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Post by Reorte on May 13, 2017 13:03:20 GMT
The definition of vacuum is lack of gas. A perfect vacuum has zero pressure, which means zero atmosphere. As far as a lot (but not all) of Earth-based stuff is concerned to all practical intents and purposes Martian atmospheric pressure is as good as vacuum. To say "it's not vacuum" is like saying "being stationary" means not moving at all, when moving an inch per millenium is, for most purposes, as good as stationary. And to say it's vacuum is reasonable enough in a lot of cases. no. One there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.there are only false ones. Look it up. Two.boyle's law says otherwise of that detail with pressure. Synthetic vacuum can be done with pressure. Three. Why Mars works as a vacuum is the lack of element in it's atmosphere. It not stationary. It just that the atmosphere is very thin and lacking a lot of the materials that are found in the body. If you go high enough in earth's atmosphere same thin would happen. Either you failed to read what I said or you failed to understand it, or both. I also thought that it was pretty obvious that the "stationary" thing was an analogy, and that the point was that whilst there is no such thing as a true vacuum (even deep space in intergalactic regions has the odd molecule) to all practical purposes some things can be treated as a vacuum. The same applies to any other concept, like "stationary". In any case as has been pointed out by others Habitat 7 has quite a thick atmosphere, it's just not breathable by humans.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 13:16:40 GMT
we are pointing out that it a you issue. Your like one those people who hate interstellar because they think that gravity effecting time part of the plot makes no sense. You just dont get it. The opening is a chance ro set the tone for the game. Telling me that you can see the scourge move in the final battle DOES NOT change the first impression. You can probably write 4 paragraphs on how Liam is the greatest literary character since Hamlet, that will not change the fact that my first impression was that he was a doofus. I get it. You love the game. You want everyone to love the game like you do. I'm sorry you cannot accept that for some people, it was just meh. no you don't get it. It all technical forms you would never see the surge move. You're inside a space ship and at the time it hit at the very back of the ship. They would be not way to explain it at that time because no one knows what it is. Mea does have a bad first impression be that has nothing to do with the scorge.
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