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Post by DarkBeaver on May 13, 2017 13:18:50 GMT
You just dont get it. The opening is a chance ro set the tone for the game. Telling me that you can see the scourge move in the final battle DOES NOT change the first impression. You can probably write 4 paragraphs on how Liam is the greatest literary character since Hamlet, that will not change the fact that my first impression was that he was a doofus. I get it. You love the game. You want everyone to love the game like you do. I'm sorry you cannot accept that for some people, it was just meh. Three. Three cutscenes (at least) where the scourge moves. As well as numerous instances in the game that reference the scourge's ability to do so. And a lack of oxygen is not what defines or causes a vacuum people. A lack of pressure that would cause decompression would do this, but Habitat 7 has an atmospheric pressure of "2.3 Atmospheres." These measurements are in comparison to Earth as a standard. Really? Three cutscenes and numerous references in the opening 30 min of gameplay? Because I really tried to emphasize that I was talking about my first impression. and i wasnt the one arguing about the specifics of vacuums and atmosphere. I just commented it semed like they could have shared a helmet for 4 minutes, and that spun off the vacuum/atmosphere argument.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 13:31:11 GMT
no. One there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.there are only false ones. Look it up. Two.boyle's law says otherwise of that detail with pressure. Synthetic vacuum can be done with pressure. Three. Why Mars works as a vacuum is the lack of element in it's atmosphere. It not stationary. It just that the atmosphere is very thin and lacking a lot of the materials that are found in the body. If you go high enough in earth's atmosphere same thin would happen. Either you failed to read what I said or you failed to understand it, or both. I also thought that it was pretty obvious that the "stationary" thing was an analogy, and that the point was that whilst there is no such thing as a true vacuum (even deep space in intergalactic regions has the odd molecule) to all practical purposes some things can be treated as a vacuum. The same applies to any other concept, like "stationary". In any case as has been pointed out by others Habitat 7 has quite a thick atmosphere, it's just not breathable by humans. Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies.
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 13:33:15 GMT
Because there's no way they could have shared a helmet for four minutes. One of them was unconscious. This was explained.
And boo hoo if the game doesn't answer your questions within the first 30 minutes. By the end of the game there are still several mysteries to uncover, the scourge being one of them.
And piss on your initial impression as well because you somehow made it through the entire game without noticing that the scourge moves. It wasn't some secret, which would be okay if you weren't under the impression that were the game's fault. Hate on the game all you like but you should go find a legitimate reason to do so outside of your inability to connect a dot, failing that, to listen when the game literally tells you a thing.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 13:36:14 GMT
You just dont get it. The opening is a chance ro set the tone for the game. Telling me that you can see the scourge move in the final battle DOES NOT change the first impression. You can probably write 4 paragraphs on how Liam is the greatest literary character since Hamlet, that will not change the fact that my first impression was that he was a doofus. I get it. You love the game. You want everyone to love the game like you do. I'm sorry you cannot accept that for some people, it was just meh. And a lack of oxygen is not what defines or causes a vacuum people. A lack of pressure that would cause decompression would do this, but Habitat 7 has an atmospheric pressure of "2.3 Atmospheres." These measurements are in comparison to Earth as a standard. 1. State like a vacuum can because in atmosphere. 2. And it can be cause by a lack of a gas via Boyle's law. Which is based on pressure and volume.
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 13:38:40 GMT
Either you failed to read what I said or you failed to understand it, or both. I also thought that it was pretty obvious that the "stationary" thing was an analogy, and that the point was that whilst there is no such thing as a true vacuum (even deep space in intergalactic regions has the odd molecule) to all practical purposes some things can be treated as a vacuum. The same applies to any other concept, like "stationary". In any case as has been pointed out by others Habitat 7 has quite a thick atmosphere, it's just not breathable by humans. Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. Alec Ryder is able to speak at the point of his death. He's not in any state of vacuum. His breathing is labored, as is Ryder junior's. They are not experiencing any form of a vacuum. They are simply breathing in an atmospheric composition that their biological makeup cannot use to sustain itself.
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Post by Obadiah on May 13, 2017 13:45:18 GMT
Three. Three cutscenes (at least) where the scourge moves. As well as numerous instances in the game that reference the scourge's ability to do so. And a lack of oxygen is not what defines or causes a vacuum people. A lack of pressure that would cause decompression would do this, but Habitat 7 has an atmospheric pressure of "2.3 Atmospheres." These measurements are in comparison to Earth as a standard. Really? Three cutscenes and numerous references in the opening 30 min of gameplay? Because I really tried to emphasize that I was talking about my first impression. and i wasnt the one arguing about the specifics of vacuums and atmosphere. I just commented it semed like they could have shared a helmet for 4 minutes, and that spun off the vacuum/atmosphere argument. I get this. I don't know where I got the information, but I did understand that at least the Scourge was attracted to Remnant spacefaring or active drive core technology, and that is what Ryder used in the finale. I don't know how often the Scourge just moves randomly though. I never saw it in game, and it looks pretty static on planets. If it does just move randomly, that would make the navigation charts that Sarissa stole from the Kett kind of useless. Unless those charts can predict the movement to some degree, which would be interesting.
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Post by Reorte on May 13, 2017 13:46:03 GMT
Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. I know exactly what a vacuum is. All you're saying is that in reality you can't get a perfect vacuum, but you can get situations which for whatever your current practical concerns are you can treat as being pretty much the same as one. Which is what I said. "Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses." Boyle's law tells you that if you expand the volume the pressure will drop (and vice-versa). That with a big enough increase in volume you can end up with a pressure that's low enough to be treated as a vacuum is entirely beside the point. "it also means a state of vacuum can happen" doesn't mean anything. What happened when Alec Ryder died is that without his helmet on there wasn't a breathable atmosphere for him to breath. Simple as that. Absolutely nothing to do with vacuums.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 13:55:59 GMT
Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. Alec Ryder is able to speak at the point of his death. He's not in any state of vacuum. His breathing is labored, as is Ryder junior's. They are not experiencing any form of a vacuum. They are simply breathing in an atmospheric composition that their biological makeup cannot use to sustain itself. Yes, he was in a state of a vacuum. Oxygen was being sucked out of his lungs. He jist talked while it hapoen befire he passed out. Also,the oxygen is not needed for us to speak, we can talk with near any gas in our lungs, we just can't live with any gas in our lungs. I already pointed out what happen to a person who is on mars with no space suit. With the low atmospheric pressure in comparison to Earth, death would occur in minutes. This vacuum like pressure would rupture both skin and organs. That might hurt. If by any “chance” you survive that, you would probably die from the large temperature ranges. The average annual temperature on Mars is -64*F, ranging from -199*F to 80*F throughout its revolution around the sun. If you were to bypass that, the lack of oxygen would get to you- and fast. Compared to earth’s 20%, mars has 0.1%, not to mention intense UV radiation, surface chemicals and oxidants. As stated before. Habitat 7 has little oxygen.
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 13:57:23 GMT
Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. I know exactly what a vacuum is. All you're saying is that in reality you can't get a perfect vacuum, but you can get situations which for whatever your current practical concerns are you can treat as being pretty much the same as one. Which is what I said. "Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses." Boyle's law tells you that if you expand the volume the pressure will drop (and vice-versa). That with a big enough increase in volume you can end up with a pressure that's low enough to be treated as a vacuum is entirely beside the point. "it also means a state of vacuum can happen" doesn't mean anything. What happened when Alec Ryder died is that without his helmet on there wasn't a breathable atmosphere for him to breath. Simple as that. Absolutely nothing to do with vacuums. He's working on a technicality: That since the planet has no Oxygen that the oxygen in Ryder's lungs would automatically be displaced, vacuumed out. This isn't a point for point theory though, it boils down to pressure variance, not round peg round hole. Oxygen or no (which makes up a laughably small percentage of our own breathable atmosphere) to displace the "air" in his lungs in a way to cause death there would have to be a difference in pressure outside of his body in comparison to the pressures inside of his body. But the atmospheric pressure is at 2.3 times that of Earth. Given that we don't know WHAT the composition of Hab7's atmosphere is, nor the composition of Ryder's personal air supply, its impossible to determine the variances in pressure between the gas mixtures. But given the tiny part that oxygen plays in our atmosphere, ASSUMING he's falling to a vacuum is illogical at best. At worst its using a base understanding of wikipedia to try and prove a point with a thin technicality. Given that Ryder does not exemplify even ONE symptom of experiencing vacuum (his lung function has no problem exerting pressure enough to respirate and speak) Cause of death would be asphyxiation.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:02:18 GMT
Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. I know exactly what a vacuum is. All you're saying is that in reality you can't get a perfect vacuum, but you can get situations which for whatever your current practical concerns are you can treat as being pretty much the same as one. Which is what I said. "Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses." Boyle's law tells you that if you expand the volume the pressure will drop (and vice-versa). That with a big enough increase in volume you can end up with a pressure that's low enough to be treated as a vacuum is entirely beside the point. "it also means a state of vacuum can happen" doesn't mean anything. What happened when Alec Ryder died is that without his helmet on there wasn't a breathable atmosphere for him to breath. Simple as that. Absolutely nothing to do with vacuums. Yes it is an issue of a state of a vacuum. As I said many times it's a law of physic of gas for it to move from on area to another based in volume and pressure. If you have a container of gasand bring it to a location where that gas is not and open it the gas leave that container and make a vacuum like state temporarily. Eventually it does end but it does happen.it boule's law.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:07:18 GMT
I know exactly what a vacuum is. All you're saying is that in reality you can't get a perfect vacuum, but you can get situations which for whatever your current practical concerns are you can treat as being pretty much the same as one. Which is what I said. "Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses." Boyle's law tells you that if you expand the volume the pressure will drop (and vice-versa). That with a big enough increase in volume you can end up with a pressure that's low enough to be treated as a vacuum is entirely beside the point. "it also means a state of vacuum can happen" doesn't mean anything. What happened when Alec Ryder died is that without his helmet on there wasn't a breathable atmosphere for him to breath. Simple as that. Absolutely nothing to do with vacuums. He's working on a technicality: That since the planet has no Oxygen that the oxygen in Ryder's lungs would automatically be displaced, vacuumed out. This isn't a point for point theory though, it boils down to pressure variance, not round peg round hole. Oxygen or no (which makes up a laughably small percentage of our own breathable atmosphere) to displace the "air" in his lungs in a way to cause death there would have to be a difference in pressure outside of his body in comparison to the pressures inside of his body. But the atmospheric pressure is at 2.3 times that of Earth. Given that we don't know WHAT the composition of Hab7's atmosphere is, nor the composition of Ryder's personal air supply, its impossible to determine the variances in pressure between the gas mixtures. But given the tiny part that oxygen plays in our atmosphere, ASSUMING he's falling to a vacuum is illogical at best. At worst its using a base understanding of wikipedia to try and prove a point with a thin technicality. Given that Ryder does not exemplify even ONE symptom of experiencing vacuum (his lung function has no problem exerting pressure enough to respirate and speak) Cause of death would be asphyxiation. I in no way said that planet was a total vacuum. I just said a vacuum like state happen. This is something that happens with partial vacuum that a state of nothing can be made but temporarily. And of course his death is asphyxiation but no matter how you cut the cause of that asphyxiation is due to the air being suckered out of his lungs.
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Post by Obadiah on May 13, 2017 14:10:05 GMT
He's working on a technicality: That since the planet has no Oxygen that the oxygen in Ryder's lungs would automatically be displaced, vacuumed out. This isn't a point for point theory though, it boils down to pressure variance, not round peg round hole. Oxygen or no (which makes up a laughably small percentage of our own breathable atmosphere) to displace the "air" in his lungs in a way to cause death there would have to be a difference in pressure outside of his body in comparison to the pressures inside of his body. But the atmospheric pressure is at 2.3 times that of Earth. Given that we don't know WHAT the composition of Hab7's atmosphere is, nor the composition of Ryder's personal air supply, its impossible to determine the variances in pressure between the gas mixtures. But given the tiny part that oxygen plays in our atmosphere, ASSUMING he's falling to a vacuum is illogical at best. At worst its using a base understanding of wikipedia to try and prove a point with a thin technicality. Given that Ryder does not exemplify even ONE symptom of experiencing vacuum (his lung function has no problem exerting pressure enough to respirate and speak) Cause of death would be asphyxiation. I in no way said that planet was a total vacuum. I just said a vacuum like state happen. This is something that happens with partial vacuum that a state of nothing can be made but temporarily. And of course his death is asphyxiation but no matter how you cut the cause of that asphyxiation is due to the air being suckered out of his lungs. Oh my, you REALLY don't understand Boyle's law.
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Post by mfr001 on May 13, 2017 14:11:14 GMT
Either you failed to read what I said or you failed to understand it, or both. I also thought that it was pretty obvious that the "stationary" thing was an analogy, and that the point was that whilst there is no such thing as a true vacuum (even deep space in intergalactic regions has the odd molecule) to all practical purposes some things can be treated as a vacuum. The same applies to any other concept, like "stationary". In any case as has been pointed out by others Habitat 7 has quite a thick atmosphere, it's just not breathable by humans. Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. I am trying to understand your meaning in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Are you implying that if you take an oxygen cylinder (for example) and place it in a sealed room containing chlorine the opening the tap on the cylinder will create a vacuum? The only way you could appeal to Boyle's Law is to assume that the universe has infinite volume and use P = k/V to show that P is zero. So there is no gas pressure (or vapour pressure) anywhere! (For the mathematically inclined you can use a similar argument to show that there are no prime numbers. There will be a quiz on this tomorrow.)
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:13:12 GMT
Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. I know exactly what a vacuum is. All you're saying is that in reality you can't get a perfect vacuum, but you can get situations which for whatever your current practical concerns are you can treat as being pretty much the same as one. Which is what I said. "Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses." Boyle's law tells you that if you expand the volume the pressure will drop (and vice-versa). That with a big enough increase in volume you can end up with a pressure that's low enough to be treated as a vacuum is entirely beside the point. "it also means a state of vacuum can happen" doesn't mean anything. What happened when Alec Ryder died is that without his helmet on there wasn't a breathable atmosphere for him to breath. Simple as that. Absolutely nothing to do with vacuums. dude, if it was a case that it was death by suffocation alone that they could both live by trading the helmet. But being that this is an environment that lacks oxygen I know for a fact that it would get sucked out of there lungs.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:15:42 GMT
I in no way said that planet was a total vacuum. I just said a vacuum like state happen. This is something that happens with partial vacuum that a state of nothing can be made but temporarily. And of course his death is asphyxiation but no matter how you cut the cause of that asphyxiation is due to the air being suckered out of his lungs. Oh my, you REALLY don't understand Boyle's law. yes I do. It's the basics of how we breath. How would the oxygen not get sucked out of his lung if he in an area with no oxygen and a high enough pressure?
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:21:22 GMT
Here the thing you don't understand. The consent of what a vacuum is. General in science they are 3 types that are referred: perfect vacuums, false vacuums, and synthetic vacuums. Perfect vacuums, though a consept, can't exist because it a concept of an area have nothing in it. That's impossible to do even in space. You would have to take everything,including dark energy, out which impossible to do. Space is called a vacuum because it's close to the consept of a perfect vacuum. Stating something is a vacuum does not mean it has nothing there, it also mean a state of a vacuum can happen. And that is what happen on the habitat 7.this happen with the gas of oxygen. With Boyle's law a state of a vacuum can happen due to the pressure and volume of gasses. If you you take a gas element in a container and take to place where it does not.exist and make a hole in a contianer, a state.of a vacuum will acute as it leaves the container. My point is that is what happening with Alec Ryder when he dies. I am trying to understand your meaning in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Are you implying that if you take an oxygen cylinder (for example) and place it in a sealed room containing chlorine the opening the tap on the cylinder will create a vacuum? The only way you could appeal to Boyle's Law is to assume that the universe has infinite volume and use P = k/V to show that P is zero. So there is no gas pressure (or vapour pressure) anywhere! (For the mathematically inclined you can use a similar argument to show that there are no prime numbers. There will be a quiz on this tomorrow.) no, the vacuum would be at the mouth of the continent not the total room. It with be a partial vacuum and it would be temporary. And then it would be based on how much pressure is in the container or in the room. Any ammont of a container would have have some level of pressure in it due to the volume of what's in it.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 13, 2017 14:22:32 GMT
Oh my, you REALLY don't understand Boyle's law. yes I do. It's the basics of how we breath. How would the oxygen not get sucked out of his lung if he in an area with no oxygen and a high enough pressure? Because the "element" doesn't matter. If I have fluorine gas in a container at a certain pressure, and all the atmosphere outside of it is made entirely of nitrogen gas, at the exact same pressure, and I open that container, the fluorine will seep out/diffuse into the atmosphere, sure, but it won't get "sucked out" because of vacuum. Note: this is incredibly simplified, and there are a lot of other things to consider I'm this scenario like density and whatnot, but at it's basis, to similar elemental gases at equal pressure do not create a vacuum for the other based simply in lack of one of the elements. That's not how pressure works.
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Post by Reorte on May 13, 2017 14:27:13 GMT
dude, ifor it was a case it was death by suffocation alone that they could both live by trading the helmet. But being that this is an environment that lacks oxygen I know for a fact that it would get sucked out of there lungs. Yes, they probably could've done, at least if both had remained concious. Maybe that was Alec's hope, but seeing that Ryder Junior was passing out realised that that wasn't an option, because the unconcious Ryder wouldn't have been able to hold his / her breath when they needed to. If anything the planetary atmosphere would've been forced in, since the Habitat 7 atmospheric pressure is higher than 1 bar (on the assumption that the suit provides air at 1 bar pressure).
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:32:32 GMT
yes I do. It's the basics of how we breath. How would the oxygen not get sucked out of his lung if he in an area with no oxygen and a high enough pressure? Because the "element" doesn't matter. If I have fluorine gas in a container at a certain pressure, and all the atmosphere outside of it is made entirely of nitrogen gas, at the exact same pressure, and I open that container, the fluorine will seep out/diffuse into the atmosphere, sure, but it won't get "sucked out" because of vacuum. Note: this is incredibly simplified, and there are a lot of other things to consider I'm this scenario like density and whatnot, but at it's basis, to similar elemental gases at equal pressure do not create a vacuum for the other based simply in lack of one of the elements. That's not how pressure works. as I said before. It is based on pressure and volume. If it's of equal pressure a vacuum like state will not happen. Ether the pressure on the outside or the pressure in the container must be greater for it to happen. We already know it's one of those variables when Ryder cracked his\her visor and air started to leak out in high streams of pressure.
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 14:38:10 GMT
dude, ifor it was a case it was death by suffocation alone that they could both live by trading the helmet. But being that this is an environment that lacks oxygen I know for a fact that it would get sucked out of there lungs. Yes, they probably could've done, at least if both had remained concious. Maybe that was Alec's hope, but seeing that Ryder Junior was passing out realised that that wasn't an option, because the unconcious Ryder wouldn't have been able to hold his / her breath when they needed to. If anything the planetary atmosphere would've been forced in, since the Habitat 7 atmospheric pressure is higher than 1 bar (on the assumption that the suit provides air at 1 bar pressure). ConciousNess has nothing to do with trading that helmet. Alec put that helmet on Ryder on his own mean come keep it maintain on his own. And Alec passed out in secs. In a non vacuum state you do not pass out in secondservice, it would take up to 4 minutes for that happen at the most. If the air was not being sucked out of Alec lungs he could just trade the helmet and live. You don't pass out in seconds like Alec and Ryder did unless the air is being sucked out of your lungs. If the pressure of the atmosphere forced the air out of their lung that it means a state of a vacuums happened. That's how particul vacuums work.
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Post by Reorte on May 13, 2017 14:44:26 GMT
ConciousNess has nothing to do with trading that helmet. Alec put that helmet on Ryder on his own mean come keep it maintain on his own. And Alec passed out in secs. In a non vacuum state you do not pass out in secondservice, it would take up to 4 minutes for that happen at the most. If the air was not being sucked out of Alec lungs he could just trade the helmet and live. You don't pass out in seconds like Alec and Ryder did unless the air is being sucked out of your lungs. Again - the pressure on Habitat 7 is not that low. Look it up - 2.3 atmospheres. Even if it was a lot lower you can still hold your breath (if you've got any in you to hold at the time). You'd be having other unpleasant effects to worry about if the pressure was very low.
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Post by DarkBeaver on May 13, 2017 15:01:33 GMT
Because there's no way they could have shared a helmet for four minutes. One of them was unconscious. This was explained. And boo hoo if the game doesn't answer your questions within the first 30 minutes. By the end of the game there are still several mysteries to uncover, the scourge being one of them. And piss on your initial impression as well because you somehow made it through the entire game without noticing that the scourge moves. It wasn't some secret, which would be okay if you weren't under the impression that were the game's fault. Hate on the game all you like but you should go find a legitimate reason to do so outside of your inability to connect a dot, failing that, to listen when the game literally tells you a thing. I never "hated" on the game. If I had to rate it, I would give it about a 6/10. If anything, you are "hating" on the fact that I would question anything about the game. I offered to agree to disagree on our different feelings in a civil tone about the opening, but you cannot seem to allow that. I dont know why you are taking such an intolerant stance in a "discussion forum". I am not attacking you and your feelings about the game on a personal level. I disliked the Angara and Jaal, as written. Other people love them. I dont tell them, "piss on your feelings about the angara".
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 15:02:38 GMT
ConciousNess has nothing to do with trading that helmet. Alec put that helmet on Ryder on his own mean come keep it maintain on his own. And Alec passed out in secs. In a non vacuum state you do not pass out in secondservice, it would take up to 4 minutes for that happen at the most. If the air was not being sucked out of Alec lungs he could just trade the helmet and live. You don't pass out in seconds like Alec and Ryder did unless the air is being sucked out of your lungs. Again - the pressure on Habitat 7 is not that low. Look it up - 2.3 atmospheres. Even if it was a lot lower you can still hold your breath (if you've got any in you to hold at the time). You'd be having other unpleasant effects to worry about if the pressure was very low. if that's true then they could just trade helmets to share air and both live.
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 16:12:46 GMT
You are severely confused.
1. The atmospheric pressure is GREATER than Earth's. His body would not be expelling "oxygen" as there's no void (pressure) for it to be sucked out by.
2. Oxygen itself is not the issue. Our atmosphere has just shy of 21% oxygen in the MIXTURE. Habitat7 could be comprised of 80% oxygen and still not be conducive to human life. The idea behind that law you're quoting (and vacuum in general) is pressure variance. Not round peg-round hole (not simply oxygen so the atmosphere's composition automatically pulls the oxygen from his lungs. His lungs would collapse if this were the case. Hab7 would not filter through the air mixture in his lungs for "what it's looking for.") Oxygen at this point is the least important variable.
3. Nothing is being pulled from Alec Ryder's lungs. He is continually breathing, and speaking.My point in that he is speaking is to point out the fact that his lungs are in no way depressurizing.
4. Consciousness would have everything to do with trading helmets periodically over the course of four minutes. Holding your breath is a CONSCIOUS effort, and the issue with Hab7's atmosphere is less the absence of approx 20.95% oxygen in its mixture, but likely the other 79.05% that makes it toxic to humans.
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 16:22:32 GMT
Because there's no way they could have shared a helmet for four minutes. One of them was unconscious. This was explained. And boo hoo if the game doesn't answer your questions within the first 30 minutes. By the end of the game there are still several mysteries to uncover, the scourge being one of them. And piss on your initial impression as well because you somehow made it through the entire game without noticing that the scourge moves. It wasn't some secret, which would be okay if you weren't under the impression that were the game's fault. Hate on the game all you like but you should go find a legitimate reason to do so outside of your inability to connect a dot, failing that, to listen when the game literally tells you a thing. I never "hated" on the game. If I had to rate it, I would give it about a 6/10. If anything, you are "hating" on the fact that I would question anything about the game. I offered to agree to disagree on our different feelings in a civil tone about the opening, but you cannot seem to allow that. I dont know why you are taking such an intolerant stance in a "discussion forum". I am not attacking you and your feelings about the game on a personal level. I disliked the Angara and Jaal, as written. Other people love them. I dont tell them, "piss on your feelings about the angara". Because the things you've questioned in this thread were answered by the game you are questioning. There's a difference in questioning valid points, and questioning readily apparent information due to you lack of observational skills. Your rating, opinion of the game's characters or overall impression with the title as a whole isn't what bugs me. What I've taken issue with are the points you've highlighted in this particular thread, namely with not noticing how the scourge behaves, as if that were anyone's fault BUT YOURS. Essentially you bought a game and didn't pay attention to blatant details and important plot points, and then wondered why these story elements IN the game didn't make sense. That's not an "agree to disagree" situation. Opinions of characters, scripting, gameplay or art SURE.... But not the elements here, that you've been clearly called out and corrected on.
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