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Post by Gileadan on Oct 25, 2023 7:00:32 GMT
The most expensive game currently in the making is GTA VI with a 2 billion USD budget vs Star Citizen's and Squadron 42's shared ~600 million. Not sure if other juggernauts like that are around.
Squadron 42 and MEA are ultimately very different products. They share the science fiction theme but that's about it - almost everything else is different, from the style of story and writing to what you actually do in the game. MEA is what it is, no matter whether Squadron 42 exists or not.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 24, 2023 6:32:47 GMT
Seeing how this project has been going so far they probably accidentally laid off a VFX artist and then realized they still needed one after the fact. But hey, maybe they can get one for a lower salary now.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 14, 2023 8:31:36 GMT
I don't think anyone needs to worry that DAD will be anything like BG3 or any other isometric party based RPG. BioWare has moved away from that gameplay type with every iteration. We'll most likely get a 3rd person action game with some RPG lite elements and barely controllable companions tagging along - some kind of melee / magic focused fantasy Mass Effect, if you will. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it just will be so different from BG3 that a comparison between the two wouldn't make much sense - they'd essentially be different genres.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 9, 2023 5:12:31 GMT
All that quoted headline says is that "unionized DAD QA workers have been laid off". No word about devs, no word that BioWare did it. It's not misleading. That person needs to calm down and acquire some basic reading comprehension skills. Harassment is of course never acceptable. Kicking out employees like BioWare did seems to be less of a problem to that person though. Is this about a city in Scandinavia? Are you an alien? You don't sound human at all.
Please point out where I am incorrect? Just insults doesn't help.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 8, 2023 20:39:45 GMT
All that quoted headline says is that "unionized DAD QA workers have been laid off". No word about devs, no word that BioWare did it. It's not misleading. That person needs to calm down and acquire some basic reading comprehension skills.
Harassment is of course never acceptable. Kicking out employees like BioWare did seems to be less of a problem to that person though. Is this about a city in Scandinavia?
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 5, 2023 13:15:09 GMT
Mark Darrah would potentially fit too. I remember when Casey came back to BioWare and took over GM from Aaron Flynn people were really excited. And I feel like he has always been on the "good" side of the ME fandom whereas Mac Walters took a lot of heat. Hard to say exactly who this person meant though. If it's Mark Darrah they're referencing, I will quit everything. He's been the voice of reason so many times, if he's revealed to be a secret evil, I'm not sure what I will do. Now that would be an epic blunder: Mark Darrah is the secret evil behind everything, now hired as an external contractor to complete his nefarious plans and 50 long time employees get fired so BioWare can actually afford his services. That would be too crazy... right?
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 5, 2023 11:39:53 GMT
Who's "the previous regime" then?
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 5, 2023 9:56:07 GMT
Oh bloody hell (again).
Employment prospects are poor, they worry about paying their bills and getting their kids Christmas presents but if they ask for proper severance they really should feel guilty for endangering an already messed up project?
What a way to stab people who crunched several times through previous management failures in the back. Way to go, you motherless bastards.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 5, 2023 5:15:56 GMT
Well at least CDPR got better again and took their sweet time with Cyberpunk 2.0 and Phantom Liberty. Pretty good stuff as far as game industry related redemption stories go.
BioWare on the other hand seems to have gone from "we pull teams from other projects to crunch for 18 months" to "we call in external help, fire 50 people with a pittance for severance, then pull in teams from other projects and crunch for 18 months".
BioWare was fed from the cake baked by EA Sports and now they aren't sitting at that table anymore.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 4, 2023 12:09:21 GMT
Whenever I hear "delayed for polishing" I remember a friend who worked at Ubisoft's QA for AC:Comet and the first Watchdogs. The latter was delayed for six months or so for "polishing". According to my friend it was extremely unstable at that point and constantly crashed all over the place. And that was just six months, DA4 is probably delayed for about 18 months, so I expect its state to be accordingly worse.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 4, 2023 6:11:53 GMT
Oh good, another dispatch from the eastern front.EDIT: It’s more a commentary about how all the news these days about BioWare is grim, colfoley. And the link is working now. Surprisingly accurate. According to my grand dad and grand uncles the work atmosphere was tense, the end result was poor despite a lot of effort and then they went home without a severance package too... all because of top management issues. In their case there was no one left to sue though.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 4, 2023 5:56:58 GMT
Jesus Fucking Christ. Average of 14 years. An average. And made redundant without cause and - apparently - without meeting even set precedent for severance. I literally have nothing other than swear words and head shakes. What an absolute cluster fuck. There actually is a single word that popped into my head reading all that. "Boycott".
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 4, 2023 5:48:46 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaiderI can't believe I live in a world where BioWare didn't treat the people it let go with every possible courtesy, ones who contributed so much to its past successes... but here we are, I guess. 😔 On the one hand for sure it sounds like a raw deal, on the other hand Dave Gaider would still be managing a hotel if he was never given the chance to be a writer with no real experience years ago by BioWare. Yes but Mr. Gaider was hired by original BioWare in the good old days. Not by the almost completely different company of the same name of today.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 26, 2023 14:03:11 GMT
I think it's that time again. Time to wonder when we'll get news about the game. And also time to conclude we'll probably have news around December(The Game Awards and Dragon Age Day respectively). Sometimes you don't even remember you're waiting for something and at other times it's so difficult to stay patient. mood. And yeah still don't know if the TGAs are the best venue but I am impatient. Why do you think so? Too many games stuffed into one show?
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 23, 2023 5:56:16 GMT
I personally think he was just talking about DA4 moving toward its end, and it's jumbled up with the rest of what he was saying. He was actively getting sick in this livestream, and I've actually edited out a lot of the uh, um, uh, ums that he had. And the transcripts don't convey the long pauses where he was staring at the screen trying to figure out what he was reading, gather his thoughts, and then reply in a timely fashion. If you want to ask for clarification, his channel is there and he does read and reply to just about every comment there is. Probably more fruitful than speculating here. EDIT: Actually, I'll just do it myself. Saves time. He replied: "Definitely just that Dreadwolf is moving towards ship." So no, he wasn't talking about the end of the IP, just that Dreadwolf is trucking along. Thanks for asking him I retract everything I said but boy is his talk imprecise. Oh well, we shall know by the result in the end.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 22, 2023 6:23:15 GMT
I probably wouldn't consider a game that cost EA several reboots (hundreds of people paid for years with no result) and now requires external assistance (Triage Games) for who knows how long until it's finished as "lucrative" - quite the opposite, that is a lot of piled up cost, and that right after their seven-year-development-but-dead-on-arrival Anthem disaster. EA has poured a lot of money into BioWare with not so great results in recent years. Also, full quote of the question and Mr. Darrah's answer: Q: "Do you think the Dragon Age IP should be sold off and taken to another studio like Larian?" Mark: "Uh, I don't think- first of all, that's never going to happen- that- EA doesn't really sell off IPs. I think that it's in good place. It's, uh, it's got support from EA and, uh, and it's moving towards its end." The question was whether a studio like Larian could make DA5, not whether BioWare's DA4 should be handed over to them. It was about the IP as a whole. And Mr. Darrah said the IP is moving towards its end, so likely there won't be a DA5. Well we don't know how lucrative the game will or won't be since its not out yet. Also if it has rebooted then it may've rebooted the budget to. Might help more for the accounting department or a tax write off (wouldn't that be something) but the current version of DA might be the only thing EA is concerned about in terms of budget so, lot at play with that, but we will see. The statement immedietly preceeding the bolded is a direct contradiction to your hypothesis. Both statements don't exist in a background if BioWare/ DA has EAs support right now then its illogical to assume that this is the planned final game. Now again as per my wall of text above it could still very easily end up being so but I am pretty sure Mark was just being a little inprecise with his language because dadithinkimgay is right, it would be absurd to have a private contractor announce that kind of thing on an open live stream. It wouldn't be his decision and given some of the other statements he made in the stream its unlikely they'd even tell him. Edit: Its also possible to talk about more then one thing at once in any statement. Rebooted the budget? Well yes, they'd probably have to set a new budget every time a game is rebooted just for cost transparency and all, but all the money spent on the cancelled previous iterations is still gone. Creating a new budget for a new project doesn't make the previous losses go away. To be actually lucrative DA4 would have to earn back all the budgets spent on every previous failed attempt, otherwise it would still be an overall loss for EA. It would have to sell well enough to make back the costs of several games essentially. On the other hand BioWare just fired 50 people, studio veterans among them, I suppose because they can't afford them or don't need them anymore or both. And of course they have EA's support right now because without that DA4 would be over instantly, like Anthem Next. It's probably close enough to completion that EA thinks it's worth salvaging and at least get a bit of their spent budgets (plural) back.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 22, 2023 5:51:57 GMT
I probably wouldn't consider a game that cost EA several reboots (hundreds of people paid for years with no result) and now requires external assistance (Triage Games) for who knows how long until it's finished as "lucrative" - quite the opposite, that is a lot of piled up cost, and that right after their seven-year-development-but-dead-on-arrival Anthem disaster. EA has poured a lot of money into BioWare with not so great results in recent years.
Also, full quote of the question and Mr. Darrah's answer:
Q: "Do you think the Dragon Age IP should be sold off and taken to another studio like Larian?" Mark: "Uh, I don't think- first of all, that's never going to happen- that- EA doesn't really sell off IPs. I think that it's in good place. It's, uh, it's got support from EA and, uh, and it's moving towards its end."
The question was whether a studio like Larian could make DA5, not whether BioWare's DA4 should be handed over to them. It was about the IP as a whole. And Mr. Darrah said the IP is moving towards its end, so likely there won't be a DA5.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 22, 2023 4:58:03 GMT
"Uh, I don't think- first of all, that's never going to happen- that- EA doesn't really sell off IPs. I think that it's in good place. It's, uh, it's got support from EA and, uh, and it's moving towards its end." Yeah, one way or the other. Once the Solas thing is done with it really feels like the franchise's story has been told, and most of the writers that created it are gone anyway. Time for something new. I believe he was referring to the end of production, not the end of the series. The question was about the IP as a whole so I assume that was what he was talking about, anything else would make little sense. EA won't give the Dragon Age IP to anyone else, and it's moving towards it's end. Mr. Darrah essentially said "No other studio will be making more Dragon Age games after DA4 because EA does not sell off IPs and because the IP is about to end anyway."
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 21, 2023 14:52:16 GMT
Side question. Is Bioware considered a AA studio now, with thenrecent layoffs, or are they still considered AAA? Good question. Will they charge an AAA price for their game?
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 21, 2023 13:11:01 GMT
I will start a new play through with Phantom Liberty and will probably just spend a few hours in the character creator first and peek around a bit. Gives Larian some time to patch BG3 for later this year.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 21, 2023 9:57:49 GMT
"Uh, I don't think- first of all, that's never going to happen- that- EA doesn't really sell off IPs. I think that it's in good place. It's, uh, it's got support from EA and, uh, and it's moving towards its end."
Yeah, one way or the other. Once the Solas thing is done with it really feels like the franchise's story has been told, and most of the writers that created it are gone anyway. Time for something new.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 20, 2023 7:32:35 GMT
I think "being happy with the game" is just a nice inoffensive comment to make that carefully avoids giving any real information. But it clearly can't be in a good state if they're doing their usual business of dragging everyone off from other projects for another year of crunch... again.
My guess is that their project leadership is still headless chicken tier awful and now the devs and artists get to pay the price for that once more. It can't be cheap to pay Mr. Darrah and his minions (no idea how many there are) for a year or longer but they must believe that it's necessary to get this thing on the road... and if I understand their website correctly they mostly offer project management support, so that must still be BioWare's weakness.
Can't wait for the inevitable Jason Schreier article.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 13, 2023 10:36:44 GMT
"So for me, for BioWare, the problem wasn't Frostbite -- the problem was never Frostbite -- the problem was we went through the pain of adopting an engine three times when we should have done it once."This is also what I've heard, and Darrah cemented it. Maybe we can put that crap to rest for good, or do the gamers not believe what developers say anymore? I never understood the Unreal Engine cult. Unreal 3 had hideous texture pop in and it tied AI target updating in multiplayer to the host's framerate. Complete rookie BS... something you won't find in Frostbite.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 13, 2023 7:08:49 GMT
The team size thing is practically a from the top down management failure. Keeping a team working effectively regardless of size is management's primary job, and they failed miserably at it. Way bigger studios than BioWare do exist and they somehow manage to do that. Downsizing teams because management is too incompetent to handle them and then make the remainder of that team crunch to make up for the lost manpower would really be something else. Get competent managers instead? one competent manager cannot manage a team of 10,000. Of course not. But one competent manager at the top (hence "top down management failure") should know how many managers he needs to split the overall team into different sections, each with their own manager and so on. If he can't do that he's got no business being in that position. Then those section managers do the same thing, and it is their job to coordinate their respective teams with the others. If someone can't handle their team then the reasons for that need to be found and eliminated. If the team is truly too large to handle then get someone who can do that or add another guy to help with management. All of these are management jobs.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 13, 2023 6:38:12 GMT
The team size thing is practically a from the top down management failure. Keeping a team working effectively regardless of size is management's primary job, and they failed miserably at it. Way bigger studios than BioWare do exist and they somehow manage to do that.
Downsizing teams because management is too incompetent to handle them and then make the remainder of that team crunch to make up for the lost manpower would really be something else. Get competent managers instead?
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