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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 20:46:10 GMT
I don't think that's necessarily unexpected. A third party is working on the patches and they really only have to work on potential DLC so its not like ME:A 2 was on the horizon with "Dylan", DA 4, SWTOR, and whatever Star Wars game they are developing coming up next. Even if it was a flawless out of the gate, you probably wouldn't see a follow up for 3-4 years. Look at Dragon Age Inquisition, supposedly the best launch in BioWare history over 2 1/2 years ago and we haven't heard anything on its follow up yet. With all the projects that BioWare is juggling, you are probably looking at longer development cycles than before. This is what I think as well. Development time is needed to polish and figure out how to turn Frostbite into a true RPG machine. As of now, it's not quite there.
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Post by suikoden on May 10, 2017 20:46:13 GMT
Ok....this article is crap. First of all they call MEA a 'reboot' it is not a reboot in any way shape or form. At best its a 'soft reboot', but even then it throws out none of previously established canon so it does not count really as that. Second of all, it says quite dramatically 'sources say ME has been put on ice', and Montreal has been downsized, but then the only sources it quotes say that they are happy with Andromeda and just moving around people to deal with other EA projects...which makes sense. Honestly, what the actual hell Kotaku? "Our teams at BioWare and across EA put in tremendous effort bringing Mass Effect Andromeda to players around the world. Even as BioWare continues to focus on the Mass Effect Andromeda community and live service, we are constantly looking at how we’re prepared for the next experiences we will create. The teams in EA Worldwide Studios are packed with talent, and more than ever, we are driving collaboration between studios on key projects. With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We’re also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development. There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead." To me that sounds an awful lot like "we tried real hard, but fucked up. The game hasn't sold well, and a better use of our resources is other Bioware projects" If the game sold well, work on a sequel would be ongoing. It's clearly not. Personally, this feels good. Drink it in, maaaaaannnn. It's gonna be a long time till we get another Mass Effect game - and by then, hopefully Bioware will have got their shit together.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 20:46:19 GMT
How does one conclude from this article that there won't be DLC or patches anymore? Slopes be slippery, boyeh! But seriously though, I can see why people would fear that. Patches I would say are kind of a thing that need to happen for the long-term benefit of the game if they have a strong incentive to make money on the product. DLC, well who knows. DA got a shit-ton of hate when it came out, but it has some of my favorite DLC in that franchise other than Trespasser, so we'll see. Frankly I don't really fear that the franchise will simply disappear, but I'd like the life of this particular game to be extended at least.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:46:47 GMT
I think they will continue on with their planned DLC's and finish Andromeda out. A lot of story threads might get tied up, some threads may remain for the future game to address. I don't think ME is going "Bye-bye", it just might be a few years before we have anything else from the franchise. The team's going to need to give serious thought to what they want to do with it. I do hope Ryder and crew come back, though. I am still waiting for JE2. It's still not dead. Does not mean it's happening.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2017 20:47:38 GMT
Disappointing, but...I guess that makes Dragon Age BioWare's 'flagship' franchise now. I'll be naively optimistic and hope that maybe this means good things for DA4? Honestly DA has probably been the flagship franchise since ME 3. I think, again maybe slight reading between the lines, that EA was actually a little reluctant to make a new ME game given the ending. So I would not be the least bit surprised if this news does end up being true eventually and EA/ BioWare decides to fold and move on from MEA to work on the 'new IP' and DA 4 especially...but there is nothing in the article to indicate that is happening now. The article is essentially being two faced nonsense.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 10, 2017 20:47:42 GMT
Hmmm. There was news some time back that EA was putting significant money on their Montréal studios, most assumed it included BioWare, so I wonder if there's been a change of plans or either this or that are wrong. Mass Effect on hiatus is disappointing, but I wonder if it's really a hiatus or just that they'll be focusing on Secret IP and DA while only a small core ME team figures out what's next for them, ie. if they are going to fo what the DA team has been doing until very recently. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Bioware is downsizing. Hopefully in the HR and PR sections and hire someone who gets these millenials and my generation that doesn't grasp or understand that art is not a commodity.
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Post by tarotmage on May 10, 2017 20:48:00 GMT
As opposed to keeping your mouth shut and get stuck with a sub-par product?
Nope - People could have pointed out bugs without going into a mouth foaming endless rage. You know - pointing out things calmly in stead of slamming it in their faces and fill page after page with endless complaints. Than you would maybe have a "sub-par" (your opinion, not mine) game for now, but at least an chance to have some nice improvements, maybe a good DLC and (probably) an improved game in the future. No you only have a "sub-par" game with nothing coming any more (except for some bug-fixes if we are lucky) . I guess this is your ideal situation and you are extremely happy with it. Me - not so much... My, my -- all this generalizing!
Not everyone gets rabid at pointing out bugs. I have seen plenty of clear, concise, helpful reports stating things in Andromeda that need to be fixed. Hell, I've even submitted a few myself.
But hey -- anything to support your argument, right?
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Post by AnDromedary on May 10, 2017 20:48:35 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't mind. I suggested this after ME3 already. Let it sit for a while, let it rest. THen come back with something new and fresh. Not sure if it makes so much sense to do it now but I don't mind. Also, letting Montreal go back to the support role that they came from is probably a good idea. I haven't seen anything come out of that BW studio that could really hold a candle to what the Edmonton guys used to do. So if this turns out to be true, I'm ok with it. Obviously, if they do downsize and as a result people are being let go, I do hope they'll have no trouble finding jobs elsewhere quickly. I am not saying I want people fired, I am just saying that this team as it was put together for this project, while making a fun game, didn't quite hold up to the standard that I would like to see for future ME games. Where in Montreal, man? Montreal isn't particularly big on tech. They're going to have to hit Vancouver, Edmonton or the states to find work that isn't just about minimum wage. Huh? I mean, not that I thought about it much but isn't Montreal super big on game development? Practically every big publisher has huge teams there, Eidos Montreal, Ubi Montreal (which is frigging huge!), EA Mobile. If you gonna find work as a game dev, it's probably there.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:49:53 GMT
I think they will continue on with their planned DLC's and finish Andromeda out. A lot of story threads might get tied up, some threads may remain for the future game to address. I don't think ME is going "Bye-bye", it just might be a few years before we have anything else from the franchise. The team's going to need to give serious thought to what they want to do with it. I do hope Ryder and crew come back, though. ME1 - 2007. ME2 - 2010 (3 yrs later). ME3 - 2012 (2 yrs later). It sounds like more than a few years, which would be situation normal. ME might be going into cryo sleep...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 20:50:13 GMT
This could probably mean a couple of patches and no DLCs at all. Well I hope people are now happy. Thinking that bitching is going to give you a better product...flash news...It won't. After Deus Ex this is the second franchise I love that is put on halt...while crap like Battlefield, Battlefront and CoD are released every freaking year....damn if it goes like this I won't have anything to play with. If IF they cancel DLC it would be because of sales, not bitching. And if the sales don't support DLC that's on EA/Bioware, not the customers. Bitching... hahahaha. The unofficial BSN forums are the source of information EA uses to calculate their long term plans. HAHAHAHAHAHA! It's the bottom line and the bottom line is that the game failed to meet expectations. To those who insist that unofficial BSN forums caused so much grief... go get a job in the real world. If you can even get hired. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.
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Post by Psychevore on May 10, 2017 20:50:21 GMT
How does one conclude from this article that there won't be DLC or patches anymore? Slopes be slippery, boyeh! But seriously though, I can see why people would fear that. Patches I would say are kind of a thing that need to happen for the long-term benefit of the game if they have a strong incentive to make money on the product. DLC, well who knows. DA got a shit-ton of hate when it came out, but it has some of my favorite DLC in that franchise other than Trespasser, so we'll see. Frankly I don't really fear that the franchise will simply disappear, but I'd like the life of this particular game to be extended at least. I don't see that. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain DA2 got a much worse response and even that game got DLC and patches.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 20:51:16 GMT
EA's response is "public relations" and "damage control". The franchise is going to be milked for what it is worth and then discarded. If everyone was praising this game so highly do you really think they would have dared to scale back anything or give any indication that development for sequels or DLC or whatever would slow down? EA is about the money. This is bad for money. Its bad publicity. That isn't good for the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the final ME gave we get. They might consider a remaster of the trilogy now. I suppose this would finally shut down any commentary that Andromeda is little more than a cash-grab. I mean, what would a remaster even add that's particularly meaningful? I think just about the only real benefit we'd see here is the ability to now have our next gen system play old games we may have lost when we finally gave up the previous gen consoles (unless you're on PC). But as one who has played the hell out of the trilogy and have all of its DLC's, would I really have incentive to pay for the entire trilogy and add-on story content? Man, I played ME3 a billion times. I can't pay for that again.
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Post by AGECCR on May 10, 2017 20:52:13 GMT
I think they will continue on with their planned DLC's and finish Andromeda out. A lot of story threads might get tied up, some threads may remain for the future game to address. I don't think ME is going "Bye-bye", it just might be a few years before we have anything else from the franchise. The team's going to need to give serious thought to what they want to do with it. I do hope Ryder and crew come back, though. ME1 - 2007. ME2 - 2010 (3 yrs later). ME3 - 2012 (2 yrs later). It sounds like more than a few years, which would be situation normal. ME might be going into cryo sleep... I meant information, specifically. I'm not expecting a new game yet. I'm playing "wait-and-see".
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 20:52:16 GMT
Where in Montreal, man? Montreal isn't particularly big on tech. They're going to have to hit Vancouver, Edmonton or the states to find work that isn't just about minimum wage. Huh? I mean, not that I thought about it much but isn't Montreal super big on game development? Practically every big publisher has huge teams there, Eidos Montreal, Ubi Montreal (which is frigging huge!), EA Mobile. If you gonna find work as a game dev, it's probably there. It is, but you're not going to get a second look if your last workplace was Bioware from 2014 and up. You're going to have to sell yourself and be above the stink you left behind, YouTube, game reviewers and fans showed that Bioware pharted this one out and didn't bother to flush or spray the air... just like every public bathroom in Montreal. Seriously, I'd rather get fined for pissing on the side of a wall.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 20:52:52 GMT
Slopes be slippery, boyeh! But seriously though, I can see why people would fear that. Patches I would say are kind of a thing that need to happen for the long-term benefit of the game if they have a strong incentive to make money on the product. DLC, well who knows. DA got a shit-ton of hate when it came out, but it has some of my favorite DLC in that franchise other than Trespasser, so we'll see. Frankly I don't really fear that the franchise will simply disappear, but I'd like the life of this particular game to be extended at least. I don't see that. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain DA2 got a much worse response and even that game got DLC and patches. It did, and DA2, for all its faults, actually did function quite normally out the gate compared to MEA.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:53:22 GMT
But yet Dragon Age Inquisition still was able to produce three highly successful, high quality DLCs. That is highly debatable. No it's really not
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:54:22 GMT
Although I'm critical of some of the creative and practical decisions made for Andromeda I do want Bioware to continue with Pathfinder Ryder and the Andromeda galaxy, for the narrative's sake a longer term commitment would ultimatly be best for Mass Effect. Even if this means little to no DLC for this game. Similiar to the transition from ME1 to ME2, some aspects of the universe could be silently reinvented to serve the narrative's needs, a lot for lore changed between those games, not always for the better, but it demonstrated that at least some creative freedom is permissable while staying mostly true to the backstory of the predecessor.
That said, I did just finished the Citadel Party in ME3 and it's quite frankly amazing what they accomplished just there. It did took three games and loads of DLC to work up to that moment though. MEA tried to emulate some of that stuff by making the crew all dynamic and talktive but it just didn't to well considering Neither the player nor the protaganist have know these characters for very long. The game would have benefited from more subdued characters and narratives. At least a straightforward goal at the beginning of the game would have been preferable.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 20:54:42 GMT
Good to hear. They really need to rethink this series, if after 5 years, Andromeda was the best they could give us. I love Mass Effect, but Bioware are scrubs now, and if the franchise is ever revived, hopefully it'll be by a developer that's actually talented, and has a passion for game development. On a side note, if Bioware's new IP isn't a hit, the company is probably fucked. And sadly if it is a hit that will be the end of RPG's from Bioware as they will go full action shooter with the new IP. Oh well, we all knew this was coming eventually once EA bought BW. Actually took a lot longer than I expected it to. Me too. I thought Inquisition, though flawed at the start, was still a very good title once the DLCs rolled in. However, I didn't buy them until recently and I am sure other people felt the same. That is not good when you literally leave parts of the story unfinished and no one is caring enough to finish it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:55:04 GMT
Concerning. Hopefully the new IP and DATevinter are successful otherwise this old meme will finally be valid: The possibility of DA4 failing scares the shit out of me right now
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Post by projectpatdc on May 10, 2017 20:55:07 GMT
What's the point? They won't go back change the controls and mechanics so why gimmickly remaster something for marginally crisper visuals Out of all the remasters that have been released, MET was the only one I wanted. Well, for one thing minimalistic effort with a pretty good chance of a high reward. Plus, you can get somewhat a decent gauge of fanbase interest. Say couple years down the line they "remaster" it you can then see if fans want more ME. Because, I don't see a ME5 announcement till at least 2020. Given that Dylan and possibly DA4 is in the works. I mean it's cool if they make it, but make a proper remaster or remake. Don't just slightly update the visuals. Ubisoft's Ezio collection remaster was piss poor and only showed how outdated the gameplay in AC2 was compared to the new games. If you remake the game use newer assets, blend in with some older mechanics, and keep the same story. I would have bought an actual AC2 remake alone using AC Unity's graphics, 1:1 scale buildings, and parkour. The could remake ME1, 2, 3 with MEA's combat and graphics. They could also redo all the optional worlds in ME1 with proper outposts and give the Mako and Nomad makeover. ME2 could widen the narrow corridors with alternate routes and include optional open world like areas to explore. Same for ME3. They could also remaster ME3's ending completely. That would be worth buying. Anything less would be a waste of money for the consumer and the devs.
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Post by mordivier on May 10, 2017 20:55:09 GMT
That is highly debatable. No it's really not Really? It is a fact that people cant have diverging opinions on a content's quality opposed to your own? Hah. Right.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 20:56:00 GMT
They might consider a remaster of the trilogy now. What's the point? They won't go back change the controls and mechanics so why gimmickly remaster something for marginally crisper visuals Paragon/Renegade... seen it in Frostbite? Nope. They can't grasp how to make that work and leaving it out would not be a remaster. It would be a disservice.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:56:03 GMT
They might consider a remaster of the trilogy now. I suppose this would finally shut down any commentary that Andromeda is little more than a cash-grab. I mean, what would a remaster even add that's particularly meaningful? I think just about the only real benefit we'd see here is the ability to now have our next gen system play old games we may have lost when we finally gave up the previous gen consoles (unless you're on PC). But as one who has played the hell out of the trilogy and have all of its DLC's, would I really have incentive to pay for the entire trilogy and add-on story content? Man, I played ME3 a billion times. I can't pay for that again. I played it twice, do not own the paid DLCs, and I won't purchase a remaster, because why? If I really wanted to, the original is perfectly playable, and I know the story by heart after two runs. I pay to see what happens next. Not to mention Andromeda is fun to play. But that at least I hope gets transplanted in the new IP or DA4.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:56:14 GMT
Really? It is a fact that people cant have diverging opinions on a content's quality opposed to your own? Hah. Right. It is debatable like everything. But being HIGHLY debatable is something else
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Post by bohemiadrinker on May 10, 2017 20:56:50 GMT
This is bullshit.
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