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Post by suikoden on Jun 13, 2017 18:41:04 GMT
Well, yes. What's to argue over that? If you don't own Nintendo gear you're out. So niche, as compared to gamers at large. Should I bring up pillars of Enternity? PC exclusive and not to everyone's tastes because of isometric environments? Equally unfair. So niche that it's lifetime sales will probably quadruple Andromedas. Most "gamers at large" have multiple consoles these days anyways - you're probably a casual gamer if you don't - you know - that casual gamer niche. No one's buying Andromeda on Xbox anyways - most of its sales are probably limited to PS4.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 18:45:04 GMT
So niche that it's lifetime sales will probably quadruple Andromedas. Most "gamers at large" have multiple consoles these days anyways - you're probably a casual gamer if you don't - you know - that casual gamer niche. No one's buying Andromeda on Xbox anyways - most of its sales are probably limited to PS4. No, I'm a PC gamer. And I mostly play heavily modded games. I'm not the least bit interested in getting any console.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 13, 2017 18:49:11 GMT
Well, yes. What's to argue over that? If you don't own Nintendo gear you're out. So niche, as compared to gamers at large. Should I bring up pillars of Enternity? PC exclusive and not to everyone's tastes because of isometric environments? Equally unfair. So niche that it's lifetime sales will probably quadruple Andromedas. Most "gamers at large" have multiple consoles these days anyways - you're probably a casual gamer if you don't - you know - that casual gamer niche. No one's buying Andromeda on Xbox anyways - most of its sales are probably limited to PS4. I bought it on Xbox and so did many others on this site
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 13, 2017 19:58:49 GMT
So niche that it's lifetime sales will probably quadruple Andromedas. Most "gamers at large" have multiple consoles these days anyways - you're probably a casual gamer if you don't - you know - that casual gamer niche. No one's buying Andromeda on Xbox anyways - most of its sales are probably limited to PS4. I bought it on Xbox and so did many others on this site yeah I got iAndromeda on PC but yeah I agree I'm suer many people did get it for XB1. But I only got it for PC as the controls suit me best on that system
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 13, 2017 20:27:40 GMT
No the point is you looking for any excuse to bury ME. No, the poor reception, lower than expected review scores, and the "meme effect" of MEA buried ME. Except it's not buried. It did decent enough. It's DA2 again.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 20:51:18 GMT
No, the poor reception, lower than expected review scores, and the "meme effect" of MEA buried ME. Except it's not buried. It did decent enough. It's DA2 again. DA2 had higher review scores than MEA. MEA sits at around a 71 average while DA2 sat at a low 80s. But go ahead and continue to act like DA2 had the same amount of hype and hope as MEA. The more EA and Bioware remains silent on MEA it will be interesting to see how long this DA2 prop is used. My face is tired
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 13, 2017 20:53:51 GMT
Except it's not buried. It did decent enough. It's DA2 again. DA2 had higher review scores than MEA. MEA sits at around a 71 average while DA2 sat at a low 80s. But go ahead and continue to act like DA2 had the same amount of hype and hope as MEA. The more EA and Bioware remains silent on MEA it will be interesting to see how long this DA2 prop is used. Using metacritic as an example is laughable in both cases. It is very close to the same and there was pretty much silence for a bit then too.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 20:55:55 GMT
Using metacritic as an example is laughable in both cases. It is very close to the same and there was pretty much silence for a bit then too. As the professional side of metacritic scores isn't subject to trolls, it's a collection of professional reviews. These reviews don't get any better or worse by being posted elsewhere. Also there are quite a few games that align with player and professional reviews. Pillars of Eternity got 89 by the professionals and 83 by users. Or Mass Effect 2. 94 by professionals and 88 by users.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 21:00:11 GMT
DA2 had higher review scores than MEA. MEA sits at around a 71 average while DA2 sat at a low 80s. But go ahead and continue to act like DA2 had the same amount of hype and hope as MEA. The more EA and Bioware remains silent on MEA it will be interesting to see how long this DA2 prop is used. Using metacritic as an example is laughable in both cases. It is very close to the same and there was pretty much silence for a bit then too. You do not need to use Metacritic. Just look at the review scores from the major media outlets of DA2 and MEA and compare them. You will see that across the board DA2 got better review scores than MEA. THAT is fact.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 13, 2017 21:04:16 GMT
Except it's not buried. It did decent enough. It's DA2 again. DA2 had higher review scores than MEA. MEA sits at around a 71 average while DA2 sat at a low 80s. But go ahead and continue to act like DA2 had the same amount of hype and hope as MEA. The more EA and Bioware remains silent on MEA it will be interesting to see how long this DA2 prop is used. My face is tired Review scores do not make or break a game. Also the whole "my face is tired" meme got old two months ago and wasn't even funny in the first place. It's not even relevant anymore since it has been patched.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 21:05:22 GMT
You do not need to use Metacritic. Just look at the review scores from the major media outlets of DA2 and MEA and compare them. You will see that across the board DA2 got better review scores than MEA. THAT is fact. When it comes to Bioware's strengths, DAII was better than MEA. MEA improved on the gameplay elements, but it regressed on the story and character elements. DAII had a combat system that wasn't to everyone's liking and reused environments. But the storytelling was still above average.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 13, 2017 21:05:29 GMT
Using metacritic as an example is laughable in both cases. It is very close to the same and there was pretty much silence for a bit then too. You do not need to use Metacritic. Just look at the review scores from the major media outlets of DA2 and MEA and compare them. You will see that across the board DA2 got better review scores than MEA. THAT is fact. DA2 isn't the best example to use for this kind of comparison. IIRC PC Gamer gave it 94%. Think about that. Is DA2 a 94% game? 2 points off ME2?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 13, 2017 21:15:40 GMT
Well for one sales data cannot be fairly compared. On top of it being a completely different type of game. Them being different types of games is not the point. The point is that all 3 games were AAA games with a lot of hype backing them and only 2 if the 3 has announced DLC. (sigh) I'm struggling to see any 'point' here. HZD has announced DLC for 'sometime in 2017' BoTW has announced DLC for June 30th, so 4 months post-launch. In recent times BioWare has shipped DLC around 5 months post-launch and rarely announces it earlier than 10 days beforehand. Under normal circumstances, DLC#1 would drop end of July, but with all the patching it might push back to September. We have no indication of atypical behavior as yet.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 13, 2017 21:19:40 GMT
You do not need to use Metacritic. Just look at the review scores from the major media outlets of DA2 and MEA and compare them. You will see that across the board DA2 got better review scores than MEA. THAT is fact. DA2 isn't the best example to use for this kind of comparison. IIRC PC Gamer gave it 94%. Think about that. Is DA2 a 94% game? 2 points off ME2? Heh, I know I'm not supposed to agree with it, but I love DA2 so much more than ME2 that it's all good.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 21:19:56 GMT
PC Gamer:
DA2 94 MEA 80
IGN:
DA2 8.5 MEA 7.7
GameSpot:
DA2 8 MEA 6
Destructoid:
DA2 7.0 MEA 6.5
Should I keep going?
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 13, 2017 21:23:47 GMT
DA2 had higher review scores than MEA. MEA sits at around a 71 average while DA2 sat at a low 80s. But go ahead and continue to act like DA2 had the same amount of hype and hope as MEA. The more EA and Bioware remains silent on MEA it will be interesting to see how long this DA2 prop is used. My face is tired Review scores do not make or break a game. Also the whole "my face is tired" meme got old two months ago and wasn't even funny in the first place. It's not even relevant anymore since it has been patched. 1) Review scores matter to publishers 2) It doesnt matter how much patching Bioware does, you only get 1 time to make a 1st impression. The 1st impression will ALWAYS be relevant.
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 21:28:53 GMT
2) It doesnt matter how much patching Bioware does, you only get 1 time to make a 1st impression. The 1st impression will ALWAYS be relevant. I sitll say they brought that onto themselves. The whole pushing of Origins Access was what turned MEA into a meme generator. I never judge a game based on something like that, since the technical issues will be patches sooner rather than later. But for some little known youtubers it was an excellent chance to finally get some attention. You could also notice that Angry Joe or other more serious youtubers didn't jump that train but waited for playing the whole and patched game. They could have easily avoided the original shitstorm by EA not getting greedy and begging for Access subscriptions.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 13, 2017 21:30:04 GMT
Using metacritic as an example is laughable in both cases. It is very close to the same and there was pretty much silence for a bit then too. You do not need to use Metacritic. Just look at the review scores from the major media outlets of DA2 and MEA and compare them. You will see that across the board DA2 got better review scores than MEA. THAT is fact. A fact, but a misleading one. Post-GamerGate review sites took a credibility hit after they were caught over-praising games. Critic ratings were previously more forgiving (or for sponsorship reasons less harsh). DA2 did review more favorably and some critics were brutally criticised for it. Scores were not consistently applied 2007-2017.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 13, 2017 21:30:32 GMT
1) Review scores matter to publishers 2) It doesnt matter how much patching Bioware does, you only get 1 time to make a 1st impression. The 1st impression will ALWAYS be relevant. Indeed. Unfortunately they're just as prone to hysteria as user reviews. As I say, DA2 is not a 94% game, but it got the score regardless. As for patching, there's no way Bioware/Montreal are getting a fair viewing here. Skyrim managed to get a million GOTYs with backwards flying dragons and a main quest that was literally impossible to accomplish if the player elected to follow the Blade woman rather than fast travel. Meanwhile MEA comes out with some flickering textures and vacant expressions and suddenly it gets the same scores as Aliens: Colonial Marines. Bugs are one thing, and first impressions do matter, but lets not pretend that a game is made or ended based on it.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 13, 2017 21:31:21 GMT
I thought you were leaving the forum for six months?
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Post by abaris on Jun 13, 2017 21:35:37 GMT
A fact, but a misleading one. Post-GamerGate review sites took a credibility hit after they were caught over-praising games. Critic ratings were previously more forgiving (or for sponsorship reasons less harsh). DA2 did review more favorably and some critics were brutally criticised for it. Scores were not consistently applied 2007-2017. As someona having worked in the media. The sponsorship issue is an urban legend. It's more along the lines of getting invited to test some new product, getting early access and inside news if you play ball. You're less likely to get all of that if you don't play along and can only watch from the sidelines while others are getting what you no longer get.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 13, 2017 21:42:13 GMT
A fact, but a misleading one. Post-GamerGate review sites took a credibility hit after they were caught over-praising games. Critic ratings were previously more forgiving (or for sponsorship reasons less harsh). DA2 did review more favorably and some critics were brutally criticised for it. Scores were not consistently applied 2007-2017. As someona having worked in the media. The sponsorship issue is an urban legend. It's more along the lines of getting invited to test some new product, getting early access and inside news if you play ball. You're less likely to get all of that if you don't play along and can only watch from the sidelines while others are getting what you no longer get. I agree that backhanders are mythical, but the review scores were a little softer 2007-2013 because that's what other reviewers were scoring.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 13, 2017 21:48:41 GMT
DA2 had higher review scores than MEA. MEA sits at around a 71 average while DA2 sat at a low 80s. But go ahead and continue to act like DA2 had the same amount of hype and hope as MEA. The more EA and Bioware remains silent on MEA it will be interesting to see how long this DA2 prop is used. My face is tired Review scores do not make or break a game. Also the whole "my face is tired" meme got old two months ago and wasn't even funny in the first place. It's not even relevant anymore since it has been patched. It’s still relevant, because that alone probably put a lot of people off from buying the game - and those people will never revisit the patched game. It doesn’t matter how much better this meme-machine of a game has become - initial impressions are often all that matters.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 13, 2017 21:55:43 GMT
I thought you were leaving the forum for six months?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jun 13, 2017 22:29:15 GMT
Also the whole "my face is tired" meme got old two months ago and wasn't even funny in the first place. It's not even relevant anymore since it has been patched. So, your face is tired of being tired? It isn'tas funny as it was, and it has been used a lot... But I am reminded of Cinderella - if the shoe fits...
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