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Post by wright1978 on Oct 7, 2016 8:05:10 GMT
It was obvious they'd return given the increased resource spent on them in various games. Also it helps not make most of the squad romanceable, and considering they'll likely follow DAI's approach of giving multiple romances to all/most sexual orientation, and the rumour of seven squadmates, I was expecting it. Ok, let's do the math... 7 hypothetical squadmates 2/2/2 hypothetical Love Interest (two gay romances man and woman, two heterosexual romances man and woman, two bisexuals man and woman) If we have romances who aren't squadmates = maybe we have... 3 of 7 squadmates romanceable or 4 of 7 squadmates romanceable Which is good because it reduces the drama inside the missions (what I'm saying?? I LOVE THE DRAMA INSIDE MISSIONS!)and we have romance options outside our squads (I want to fell in love with a baddie knowing he/she is a baddie BECAUSE I LOVE THE DRAMA)I'm still hoping there's 8 or 9 squaddies personally. If there's only going to be as low as 3/4 squad based romances i'd prefer they not be gated at all
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 7, 2016 8:08:39 GMT
I prefer they'd be less, since more companions generally means less content. And the fact the lines for each squadmate seems to be bigger then before fits with a smaller squad. I doubt the romances in the team will be all bisexual/available to everyone. Gating is likely still in, at least in my opinion.
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Post by Arcian on Oct 7, 2016 8:26:52 GMT
How will it play out? Act 1 flirting, Act 2 flirting, Act 3 sex.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 7, 2016 8:55:56 GMT
How will it play out? Act 1 flirting, Act 2 flirting, Act 3 sex. I hope it's not as rigid as that. Sex earlier. Then later acts are deepening of relationship not a build up to sexual element.
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Post by dalinne on Oct 7, 2016 10:33:23 GMT
How will it play out? Act 1 flirting, Act 2 flirting, Act 3 sex. They can't do that, that's Shepard's brand! If Ryder can't dance and she/he says their should go... I'm out, you hear me? OUT!!!
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Post by shechinah on Oct 7, 2016 10:37:05 GMT
For the romances that do include sex, I'd still like for them to be fitted the character they involve. In the case of sex, this could mean that the option of sex occurs at different points depending the characterization of the romanced like, some might take place early in the relationship, some late and some later.
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Post by Monk on Oct 7, 2016 18:08:47 GMT
Well, if they make sex less an end-goal and more of a relationship builder, they could practically make it an early "Act 1" option. Though, depending on who you're trying to go with, it could end messily for you because you were too eager "trying to get the sex on". If, if, they're really going to make the "process" more organic, this'll make for some interesting gameplay and replay experience. And hats off to BioWare if they pull it off like the labor of love it is.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Nov 7, 2016 23:48:07 GMT
Sorry to bring this back from the dead, But I heard that there was new info on relationships/ romances? I missed alot of the goings on on twitter and was wondering what was specifically said. Also, i have no idea how to get ahold of the Game informer mag, so if anyone could tell me that one, that woule be great too.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 8, 2016 0:00:16 GMT
Sorry to bring this back from the dead, But I heard that there was new info on relationships/ romances? I missed alot of the goings on on twitter and was wondering what was specifically said. Also, i have no idea how to get ahold of the Game informer mag, so if anyone could tell me that one, that woule be great too. Here is the points that specifically relates to it from Game Informer Details:
-There are more relationships in the game than any other Bioware game (as they noted fans make a big emphasis on romance in the games)
-Emphasis that relationships don't just culminate in a sex scene, but rather characters can just want to get in the sack, while others are interested in long term relationships and others still aren't interested at all. Bioware wanted to capture more "shooting bottles with Garrus" moments in the game, of which there are plenty.
Source: bsn.boards.net/thread/2082/game-informer-details?page=1
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 8, 2016 0:18:58 GMT
Female Drell love interest when? You can just lick her skin to get high and won't have to spend a single credit on drugs.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 8, 2016 0:19:26 GMT
It seems like they'll be introducing one-night stands that can only be one-night stands and do not have a romance path like, say, Jack did. I don't mind the idea: it could fit rather nicely with some of the characters I have in mind.
I'm mostly considering the execution such as whether this could lock down romances. I wouldn't mind it if it does if the romance is in a later stage, for the lack of a better word, like after the romantic relationship has begun to form and not when the characters are still just flirting and haven't even broached the topic.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 8, 2016 3:13:56 GMT
Same as always. Mac is talking ME:A up to be a vast improvement over previous games on Twitter, but he did the same for ME3 and I think there's a lot to give and take. I expect there'll be character bloating and too perfectly alligned sexualities and characters just for the sake of giving every type of player the experience they need. I mean it's good for roleplaying but I almost felt with DA:I that I was being relegated to be "the straight guy who got his straight romance" while gay guys got their gay romance and lesbian players got their lesbian romances, and I think the sense of art is lost when you do it like that, even though it's RPG. It feels more like BioWare is making sure not to offend anyone than it feels like they're proactively trying to make interesting choices.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 8, 2016 3:16:16 GMT
Same as always. Mac is talking ME:A up to be a vast improvement over previous games on Twitter, but he did the same for ME3 and I think there's a lot to give and take. I expect there'll be character bloating and too perfectly alligned sexualities and characters just for the sake of giving every type of player the experience they need. I mean it's good for roleplaying but I almost felt with DA:I that I was being relegated to be "the straight guy who got his straight romance" while gay guys got their gay romance and lesbian players got their lesbian romances, and I think the sense of art is lost when you do it like that, even though it's RPG. It feels more like BioWare is making sure not to offend anyone than it feels like they're proactively trying to make interesting choices. ...what?
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Post by jediguardian on Nov 8, 2016 4:38:37 GMT
I wonder if I will have Asian/white Male Character to be romance with since Liam is Black (strong possible) . I dont have problem with that but lately, It feel like Bioware love to choose black people to be gay male character (Steve, Dorian in 2 past game)
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 8, 2016 4:48:32 GMT
I wonder if I will have Asian/white Male Character to be romance with since Liam is Black (strong possible) . I dont have problem with that but lately, It feel like Bioware love to choose black people to be gay male character (Steve, Dorian in 2 past game) ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ My take is that Bio will be criticized no matter what.
They might as well do heir best and then can say, ".. I did it my way...".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 4:50:59 GMT
I wonder if I will have Asian/white Male Character to be romance with since Liam is Black (strong possible) . I dont have problem with that but lately, It feel like Bioware love to choose black people to be gay male character (Steve, Dorian in 2 past game) ... i'm pretty sure dorian isn't black?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 4:57:07 GMT
I wonder if I will have Asian/white Male Character to be romance with since Liam is Black (strong possible) . I dont have problem with that but lately, It feel like Bioware love to choose black people to be gay male character (Steve, Dorian in 2 past game) ... i'm pretty sure dorian isn't black? Yeah, neither Steve or Dorian are black. Steve is of Hispanic descent, and Dorian I believe is the equivalent of Indian for Thedas.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 8, 2016 12:04:56 GMT
I wonder if I will have Asian/white Male Character to be romance with since Liam is Black (strong possible) . I dont have problem with that but lately, It feel like Bioware love to choose black people to be gay male character (Steve, Dorian in 2 past game) ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ My take is that Bio will be criticized no matter what.
They might as well do heir best and then can say, ".. I did it my way...".
If they truly make an impressive game, no holds barred, they obviously won't be heavily criticised, but anything with a negative impact or the safe approach will just lead them further down into the rabbit hole. I still think fans are waiting for them to prove they can do better than their recent games and top ME2 or DA:O again someday. They're limited by being part of EA so they have to focus test everything and make it accessible to newcomers like never before, but limitations can be creatively empowering, but I'm not sure if BioWare has found that advantage yet. For one, gameplay itself is pushed so heavily it needs to be really good to make the game as a whole feel great. If all missions are combat-based like ME3 and DA:I the combat has to be able to withhold our patience for 60+ hours or it will flop. Similarly if the worlds are still oversized with scarcely interesting sights and content it'll also make it unimpressive. They have chosen, or been chosen to create a game in a certain format, and they have to deliver on that to avoid further critical backlash.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 8, 2016 13:32:04 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ My take is that Bio will be criticized no matter what.
They might as well do heir best and then can say, ".. I did it my way...".
Snip They have chosen, or been chosen to create a game in a certain format, and they have to deliver on that to avoid further critical backlash. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
And that, may be one reason for EA to announce a possible fluidity in launch dates. Bio with EA's blessing wants and needs to nail this correctly.
Though, EA:s use of the word "guidance" usually deals with their financial projections. Any change in guidance means their sales projection will be altered +/-. ... meaning they may decide to move the launch date from the current fiscal year (ends in Mar 2017) to the 2017 fiscal year (1st qrtr or 2nd... etc) to better reflect a company in control of their yearly income/sales projections.
I'm curious if the standard / hard / ultra hard options is less "dialogueish" than if you chose Story Mode.
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Post by Blue-Slates on Nov 8, 2016 14:31:25 GMT
... i'm pretty sure dorian isn't black? Yeah, neither Steve or Dorian are black. Steve is of Hispanic descent, and Dorian I believe is the equivalent of Indian for Thedas. I always saw Cortez as being Afro-Latino *shrugs* I hope with relationships being more organic we get: 1. Ninjamances: i know everyone hates these but I actually kinda really like them. When Alistair offered the rose to my Warden obecasue she was being nice to him, at the time it was really awkward, but looking back it felt pretty organic. I dunno, I guess I'm tired of always pushing for a relationship. I wanna be flirted with, dammit >:I 2. That we can refuse the sex bits without ending the romance. Not necessarily have an asexual romance (though I know those are greatly appreciated and I want them in the game for the peeps that would like them), but maybe I want to play a shy character who doesn't want to get physical at that time, just an option to wait while the relationship is still building. This option's pretty unlikely but I just think it'd be nice. I'm not sure how I feel about there being "loads" of romances. I hope the content doesn't get too thinned out. I gotta say I don't mush care for mini flirts :I
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 14:50:02 GMT
Alistair giving you the rose isn't an example of ninjamancing. For that event to appear you have to flirt with him first. The flirt lines were generally light, but were the triggers to unlock romance contents with the love interested, including convos started by the companion, like Alistair offering the rose. A ninjamance would be Liara in ME, where unless you treat her badly, the game recognizes that you're interested in her.
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Post by Blue-Slates on Nov 8, 2016 16:01:53 GMT
Alistair giving you the rose isn't an example of ninjamancing. For that event to appear you have to flirt with him first. The flirt lines were generally light, but were the triggers to unlock romance contents with the love interested, including convos started by the companion, like Alistair offering the rose. A ninjamance would be Liara in ME, where unless you treat her badly, the game recognizes that you're interested in her. I think it counts since one time I said something he disapproved of and next convo he's giving me a plant :/ Apart from my very first playthrough, I've never chosen flirty options with Al and he's always ambushed me with his love confessions. Or maybe I'm just that bad at talking to people My point still stands though (I hope). Choosing the heart icon all the time feels too gamey to me.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 16:04:06 GMT
Alistair giving you the rose isn't an example of ninjamancing. For that event to appear you have to flirt with him first. The flirt lines were generally light, but were the triggers to unlock romance contents with the love interested, including convos started by the companion, like Alistair offering the rose. A ninjamance would be Liara in ME, where unless you treat her badly, the game recognizes that you're interested in her. I think it counts since one time I said something he disapproved of and next convo he's giving me a plant :/ Apart from my very first playthrough, I've never chosen flirty options with Al and he's always ambushed me with his love confessions. Or maybe I'm just that bad at talking to people My point still stands though (I hope). Choosing the heart icon all the time feels too gamey to me. I don't think in DAI you have to pick it every time. Some picks are necessary for the game to register your preference though.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 8, 2016 16:18:30 GMT
Yeah, neither Steve or Dorian are black. Steve is of Hispanic descent, and Dorian I believe is the equivalent of Indian for Thedas. I always saw Cortez as being Afro-Latino *shrugs* I hope with relationships being more organic we get: 1. Ninjamances: i know everyone hates these but I actually kinda really like them. When Alistair offered the rose to my Warden obecasue she was being nice to him, at the time it was really awkward, but looking back it felt pretty organic. I dunno, I guess I'm tired of always pushing for a relationship. I wanna be flirted with, dammit >:I 2. That we can refuse the sex bits without ending the romance. Not necessarily have an asexual romance (though I know those are greatly appreciated and I want them in the game for the peeps that would like them), but maybe I want to play a shy character who doesn't want to get physical at that time, just an option to wait while the relationship is still building. This option's pretty unlikely but I just think it'd be nice. I'm not sure how I feel about there being "loads" of romances. I hope the content doesn't get too thinned out. I gotta say I don't mush care for mini flirts :I 1. That's not what ninjamances are, actually.
Example: in Mass Effect 1, one of the options to tell Liara that you only want to be friends unintentionally starts the romance without informing the player. This a bug rather than flawed design.
Example: in Mass Effect 1, you can accidentally end up in a romance because you selected an option like "I want to talk about you" or "how are you doing" with an eligible companion like Liara (female/male), Kaidan (female) or Ashley (male). These options exist with non-romanceable companions which is part of why they're deceptive. I think I remember running into this one with Ashley on no-mance run where I didn't know it had even activated the romance until the scene where the Normandy was locked down. This is flawed design, in my opinion, if I remember this right.
Example: in Dragon Age: Origins, you can ask Leliana if Marjolaine was special to her which activates the romance without indicating to the player that it was a romane trigger.
To sum: a ninjamance is not a case of a companion approaching or flirting with the player character but a case of things like the player character being completely unaware they'd activated a romance, bugged options or options that trigger a romances despite in no way indicating romantic or sexual intent. In worst case, the player is locked into a romance that they don't want and where they'd have to replay a large portion of the game as a do-over if there are no cancelation options after the point where they realize they've been ninjamanced.
Mass Effect 1 would have been this for me if it hadn't been for the fact that you could thankfully discover if you'd been ninjamanced on a no-mance by whoever came by the lockers after the Normandy had been locked down. The romance could be cancelled by you basically picking the bottom options.
2. It has been confirmed that you'd be able to have relationships without sex but whether this is optional or asexual romances is not known. I'm just glad for the no-sex option so I'm fine with either. Mass Effect 2 really needed that.
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Post by Panda on Nov 8, 2016 17:00:11 GMT
Eh I usually call it ninjamance as well if I'm just surprised by sudden romance happening. It doesn't have to be bug in my books, I got ninjamanced by Leliana a lot just for being nice to her which game saw as flirty dialogue I guess.
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