What score this game deserved after latest patches?

Jun 21, 2017 11:31:35 GMT majesticjazz said:

Jun 21, 2017 11:09:39 GMT abaris said:

The problem isn't them including Abrams, they included Krem (Crem?), can't remember how he's spelled, too. The problem is the presentation. Same as with Gil. It's ham fisted, not interesting and ultimately an insult to the LGBT community, since both are no more than checklists to tick off.

But that aside, I don't remember that SJW bullshit being even a topic before DAII and certainly ME3. That's me speculating, but wit tacking on horde mode multiplayer they may have attracted an additional audience of self declared red blooded males, who aren't much into storytelling and take issue with LGBT people.

Its all about how it is executed. Horizon saw great sales, great review scores, and has a great reputation and yet it is very progressive in many areas. Yet you do not see any people complaining about SJW stuff in the same manner as they do with Bioware games.

Like you said, Bioware takes the "checking the list" approach rather than the organic approach to many issues. The DA2 Anders romance was also an issue to many people.

Besides, Bioware isnt all progressive as people make them out to be. Why is it all their default heros have been white?

*cough* Jade Empire.

BioWARE is progressive, because its worlds are open to and acknowledge the possibility of a protagonist of any gender, skin color, and sexuality and, more importantly, a diverse player creating this protagonist.

As someone who is always a minority demographics, and becoming more and more so as I age (as an old lady of a weird origin in both place and time, playing videogames I cannot marginalize myself further if I tried), over my 20 years of playing Bio games, I saw the games "warm" up to me with every next installment. I could see more and more the consideration given to "well, it might not be a teen male playing it, you know, so perhaps we should add (or take out) this or that". This consideration is what's important to me, that forgoing the assumption that "you play a videogame, therefore you are an edgy male teen who is bored with school, and overall does not have a "decent" real life."

At times they go overboard to show welcome. What was clumsy in the beginning, became perfectly organic later on where the female gamer was concerned, imo. If they stay the course, more Krems and Gils will turn into Avitus and Dorians. Just like Alistair followed Anomen. Just like the human crowds on the Nexus is ethnically diverse, and you don't even notice it any longer and it's a pleasure to see humanity in all its variability mingling.

Equality's final goal is for that what makes you a special snowflake today, warranting notice or protection,  become entirely mundane tomorrow. But the trouble with mundane is that it does not occasion notice, which is kindda hard to convey in a video-game dialogue particularly when you gotta flag  it for a follow up with the PC like a flirt initiating a romance.