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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 24, 2017 13:27:35 GMT
objectively we can say it has had a mixed reception Well since we're on a Capt. Obvious roll, objectively we can say all video games have had a mixed reception. None are universally loved, hated, or meh'd.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 24, 2017 14:15:36 GMT
Nope, I think your view on it being objective is subjective. Nor do strawman arguments change that. However, you're welcome to your subjective opinion on your objectivity and so am I The closest I think we can get to objectivity on MEA is that it is a polarizing game; some think it is good, some think it is bad and others that it is mediocre or flawed. objectively we can say it has had a mixed reception Yes, I think that's safe to say. (some do have a predominant good or awful reception)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 14:27:16 GMT
Nope, I think your view on it being objective is subjective. Nor do strawman arguments change that. However, you're welcome to your subjective opinion on your objectivity and so am I The closest I think we can get to objectivity on MEA is that it is a polarizing game; some think it is good, some think it is bad and others that it is mediocre or flawed. objectively we can say it has had a mixed reception Yes, you can.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 24, 2017 15:00:56 GMT
objectively we can say it has had a mixed reception Well since we're on a Capt. Obvious roll, objectively we can say all video games have had a mixed reception. None are universally loved, hated, or meh'd. "I've seen the light!" 😂
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 24, 2017 23:47:46 GMT
objectively we can say it has had a mixed reception Well since we're on a Capt. Obvious roll, objectively we can say all video games have had a mixed reception. None are universally loved, hated, or meh'd. While no one game might receive actually unanimous praise or condemnation, there can always be a pattern detected. For example, Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild falls firmly into "received well" while Ride to Hell falls into "received poorly" The big issue is in the middle. Some games that were mixed overall trend more positively than others. I'd posit Andromeda was mixed to good, while say Halo 5 was mixed to poor.
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Post by danishgambit on Jun 25, 2017 6:28:00 GMT
I don't see what EA would gain by saying anything at all. They'll just keep doing what they're doing and keep fans' attention on Bioware. However EA doesn't seem like the type of company that puts anything on ice. When they're done with something it's a wrap. Period. The only exception I can think of is NBA Live but that's a sports game. And besides I don't see why this is hard to believe. Bioware putting Montreal on their flagship franchise sent clear messages long before Andromeda was released. They could've easily put Montreal on project Dillan but it's been clear ever since they started talking about it that they wanted to take on Destiny 2 and now it's just obvious that they wanted to get their best people on it.
So I'm honestly past thoughts of the end of Mass Effect. If it returns I'll be pleasantly surprised. Otherwise life goes on. The real question is whether Bioware is still in the business of making RPGs.
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Post by warrior on Jun 25, 2017 7:58:20 GMT
I don't see what EA would gain by saying anything at all. They'll just keep doing what they're doing and keep fans' attention on Bioware. However EA doesn't seem like the type of company that puts anything on ice. When they're done with something it's a wrap. Period. The only exception I can think of is NBA Live but that's a sports game. And besides I don't see why this is hard to believe. Bioware putting Montreal on their flagship franchise sent clear messages long before Andromeda was released. They could've easily put Montreal on project Dillan but it's been clear ever since they started talking about it that they wanted to take on Destiny 2 and now it's just obvious that they wanted to get their best people on it. So I'm honestly past thoughts of the end of Mass Effect. If it returns I'll be pleasantly surprised. Otherwise life goes on. The real question is whether Bioware is still in the business of making RPGs. Same.
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Post by abaris on Jun 25, 2017 19:49:49 GMT
So I'm honestly past thoughts of the end of Mass Effect. If it returns I'll be pleasantly surprised. Otherwise life goes on. The real question is whether Bioware is still in the business of making RPGs. That's also a wait an see question, isn't it? If they aren't, it wouldn't break me either. There will always be a company picking up where they left off, thereby also leaving an opening in the market. But Bioware has always produced games I wasn't the least bit interested in, without abandoning their strengths. Andromeda is only the latest game I don't care one bit about.
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Post by thedarkprince on Jun 25, 2017 21:07:29 GMT
Should they?.....yes Mass Effect has a very loyal fan base, so letting them know would be nice.
Will they?.....Nope. EA simply doesn't roll this way. They will just take the series out back and bury it in a shallow grave, never to mention it again. Leaving fans hoping and praying for years for the series to come back.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 21:58:52 GMT
Well since we're on a Capt. Obvious roll, objectively we can say all video games have had a mixed reception. None are universally loved, hated, or meh'd. While no one game might receive actually unanimous praise or condemnation, there can always be a pattern detected. For example, Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild falls firmly into "received well" while Ride to Hell falls into "received poorly" The big issue is in the middle. Some games that were mixed overall trend more positively than others. I'd posit Andromeda was mixed to good, while say Halo 5 was mixed to poor. i'd say subjectively that halo5 had virtually zero replay value and was too short, it relied on having a good film lots of marketing and a bolt on multiplayer that was almost as shit as crisis 3... its only saving grace is that the kids love it and will spend hours upon hours playing it despite barely doing more than get lucky with a kill or two every few revives.... on the other hand Andromeda has a good backstory has replay value (if for no other reason than to level up some more) but has a much better multiplayer now that half the bugs have been fixed (although that no sound bug really is shitty) subjectively speaking ive spent a lot more time playing Andromeda than I did playing halo (all of them combined) but not as much time as I did playing the original Zelda game (haven t played one since the 90's) so for me none of the newer versions of Zelda were of import / having said that the bad points of Andromeda only really shine through with female ryder because the voice acting is that bad
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 25, 2017 22:09:44 GMT
>Halo >bolt on MP
srsly?
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 26, 2017 6:26:47 GMT
And yet... smears are being sold for milliions of whatever your curreny is, because the 'painter' is good at bullshitting people into thinking it means something deep. That said, I do agree to a point. A verily skilled painter may use very difficult detailed techniques, at which point, indeed the value may rightfully rise. Some years ago Spy magazine put that to the test by making a fake gallery exhibit out of some first-graders' watercolors. The results were not completely conclusive. Nobody thought the works were very good, but they weren't treated as obvious jokes either. IIRC they didn't actually end up selling any, though. If they couldn't tell them apart, that doesn't say enough?
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 6:54:03 GMT
Some years ago Spy magazine put that to the test by making a fake gallery exhibit out of some first-graders' watercolors. The results were not completely conclusive. Nobody thought the works were very good, but they weren't treated as obvious jokes either. IIRC they didn't actually end up selling any, though. If they couldn't tell them apart, that doesn't say enough? That the consuming public is not intelligent. Luckily EA and Bioware have also figured this out.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 26, 2017 7:11:47 GMT
If they couldn't tell them apart, that doesn't say enough? That the consuming public is not intelligent. Luckily EA and Bioware have also figured this out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 8:31:28 GMT
ME isn't dead. I see another ME game being released in 2020/21 FWIW I can see them ditching Andromeda for the time being, but going back and revisiting the original trilogy. Whether or not that is a reboot or whatever I don't know. Make the Trip to Andromeda make some kind of sense rather than just some half arsed attempt to reboot a game series that the writers wrote into a corner. An Escape. Andromeda would have worked fine if it were an evacuation scenario game at the end of the reaper war. As it is there is no reason to play it unless you are a fanboy. The premise is just garbage.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 26, 2017 8:36:29 GMT
Another ME game at some point will happen, but it will be not MEA2. I don't believe we will see Ryder's and Andromeda ever again.
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Post by abaris on Jun 26, 2017 9:28:46 GMT
An Escape. Andromeda would have worked fine if it were an evacuation scenario game at the end of the reaper war. As it is there is no reason to play it unless you are a fanboy. The premise is just garbage. The premisse isn't the problem. If you collected the memories, you get a pretty good insight on why the Initiative happened. It is an evacuation scenario, as you put it. So that's not my problem with the game, apart from yet another lose thread that never is answered in full. My one and only problem is the overall feeling of blandness, as compared to previous Bioware games. The lead, the companions, the missions. And, to a certain degree, that the most interresting side quests, end in a cliffhanger without being resolved. The murder of Garsson really kept me on my toes, as opposed to the numerous fetch and scan garbage, but in the end it left me even more disappointed, since there is no resolution to it.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 26, 2017 16:56:20 GMT
Another ME game at some point will happen, but it will be not MEA2. I don't believe we will see Ryder's and Andromeda ever again. You believing that won't make it happen.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 17:33:20 GMT
Another ME game at some point will happen, but it will be not MEA2. I don't believe we will see Ryder's and Andromeda ever again. You believing that won't make it happen. They would have announced something by now. Yet E3 has come and gone, and not a peep from any devs when they're asked about it. Theyre just squeezing out the last multiplayer $$$ they can get. As soon as multiplayer is dead (and it's dying fast), the patches will end and everyone can move on. To Zelda
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 26, 2017 17:43:35 GMT
You believing that won't make it happen. They would have announced something by now. Yet E3 has come and gone, and not a peep from any devs when they're asked about it. Theyre just squeezing out the last multiplayer $$$ they can get. As soon as multiplayer is dead (and it's dying fast), the patches will end and everyone can move on. To Zelda I used to want to play BOTW but you have made me hate it.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 17:53:59 GMT
They would have announced something by now. Yet E3 has come and gone, and not a peep from any devs when they're asked about it. Theyre just squeezing out the last multiplayer $$$ they can get. As soon as multiplayer is dead (and it's dying fast), the patches will end and everyone can move on. To Zelda I used to want to play BOTW but you have made me hate it. Yep - best game ever!
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 26, 2017 17:55:22 GMT
You believing that won't make it happen. They would have announced something by now. Yet E3 has come and gone, and not a peep from any devs when they're asked about it. Theyre just squeezing out the last multiplayer $$$ they can get. As soon as multiplayer is dead (and it's dying fast), the patches will end and everyone can move on. To Zelda Dude I own and use an xbox one for gaming. Don't assume that all gamers use all platforms for their gaming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 18:04:33 GMT
They would have announced something by now. Yet E3 has come and gone, and not a peep from any devs when they're asked about it. Theyre just squeezing out the last multiplayer $$$ they can get. As soon as multiplayer is dead (and it's dying fast), the patches will end and everyone can move on. To Zelda I used to want to play BOTW but you have made me hate it. They ruined Zelda for me by making it Skyrim ver 2. As a longtime Zelda fan, that felt immersion breaking. I'm very happy I bought MEA instead.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 26, 2017 18:10:55 GMT
An Escape. Andromeda would have worked fine if it were an evacuation scenario game at the end of the reaper war. As it is there is no reason to play it unless you are a fanboy. The premise is just garbage. The premisse isn't the problem. If you collected the memories, you get a pretty good insight on why the Initiative happened. It is an evacuation scenario, as you put it. So that's not my problem with the game, apart from yet another lose thread that never is answered in full. For me, that's not cutting it by a long shot though for three reasons: 1. The silliness of even starting the AI (and having it stared by humans of all people) remains because the fail safe scenario was only introduced very late in the AI. The whole endevor still started in a very weird and illogical manner. 2. It also didn't matter for 99.9% of the people who signed up for it or who worked on it because the whole evacuation angle was kept top secret and only a handful of people in the upper echelons of AI leadership had any idea about it. So it's useful as an incentive for people to go either. 3. It still doesn't address the main problem with the premise and that's how they got to Andromeda. The ODSY drive makes no sense in the ME universe as we knew it before ME:A. So yea, memories or no, the premise was, is and remains garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 18:19:13 GMT
The premisse isn't the problem. If you collected the memories, you get a pretty good insight on why the Initiative happened. It is an evacuation scenario, as you put it. So that's not my problem with the game, apart from yet another lose thread that never is answered in full. For me, that's not cutting it by a long shot though for three reasons: 1. The silliness of even starting the AI (and having it stared by humans of all people) remains because the fail safe scenario was only introduced very late in the AI. The whole endevor still started in a very weird and illogical manner. 2. It also didn't matter for 99.9% of the people who signed up for it or who worked on it because the whole evacuation angle was kept top secret and only a handful of people in the upper echelons of AI leadership had any idea about it. So it's useful as an incentive for people to go either. 3. It still doesn't address the main problem with the premise and that's how they got to Andromeda. The ODSY drive makes no sense in the ME universe as we knew it before ME:A. So yea, memories or no, the premise was, is and remains garbage. That's why we find out all those shocking things about the AI from Alec's memories. It's a mystery left open and intended to be solved in a DLC or later game. What you don't understand, only the benefactor has the real answers for, and depending on their species, lord knows how they made the AI work.
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