inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2017 4:30:38 GMT
MEA is just an unfinished lgbt sjw dating simulator with thousands of tedious fetch quests, Anthem is the real mass effect game we were waiting for, even though it doesn't have the mass effect title on it, Drew Karpyshyn is writing the game, the guy who wrote ME1 and 2, so, the good me games There's not nearly enough romance content to come close to qualifying as a dating "simulator".
|
|
inherit
4007
0
3,855
kotoreffect3
1,757
March 2017
kotoreffect3
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 27, 2017 5:31:47 GMT
This is why this franchise must never die
|
|
inherit
5045
0
Feb 27, 2019 21:49:30 GMT
1,574
suikoden
1,692
March 2017
suikoden
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by suikoden on Jun 27, 2017 5:38:30 GMT
MEA is just an unfinished lgbt sjw dating simulator with thousands of tedious fetch quests, Anthem is the real mass effect game we were waiting for, even though it doesn't have the mass effect title on it, Drew Karpyshyn is writing the game, the guy who wrote ME1 and 2, so, the good me games There's not nearly enough romance content to come close to qualifying as a dating "simulator". Well... it's multiplayer, so maybe Anthem players will be able to date real people instead of aliens.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
1383
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:09:08 GMT
An Escape. Andromeda would have worked fine if it were an evacuation scenario game at the end of the reaper war. As it is there is no reason to play it unless you are a fanboy. The premise is just garbage. The premisse isn't the problem. If you collected the memories, you get a pretty good insight on why the Initiative happened. It is an evacuation scenario, as you put it. So that's not my problem with the game, apart from yet another lose thread that never is answered in full. My one and only problem is the overall feeling of blandness, as compared to previous Bioware games. The lead, the companions, the missions. And, to a certain degree, that the most interresting side quests, end in a cliffhanger without being resolved. The murder of Garsson really kept me on my toes, as opposed to the numerous fetch and scan garbage, but in the end it left me even more disappointed, since there is no resolution to it. But to be fair, that stuff should have been explained up front. The game would then have had a better narrative feel from the very start. We would have known exactly why we made the journey. It should not have been left to derp ryder to find clues throughout the game. Exploration on its own does not have the same 'pull' as fighting for survival. Also... The bad guys designs are really really poor. Hell the design throughout the game is poor. Tis a shame they didn't have someone a little more creative on the design front.
|
|
inherit
7535
0
2,066
abaris
2,013
April 2017
abaris
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by abaris on Jun 27, 2017 10:34:24 GMT
But to be fair, that stuff should have been explained up front. The game would then have had a better narrative feel from the very start. We would have known exactly why we made the journey. It should not have been left to derp ryder to find clues throughout the game. Exploration on its own does not have the same 'pull' as fighting for survival. Also... The bad guys designs are really really poor. Hell the design throughout the game is poor. Tis a shame they didn't have someone a little more creative on the design front. In my opinion the whole game is designed poorly. Story, characters, lead, the lot. As compared to previous Bioware games. I was just saying that the premisse isn't the problem. At least for me. I could have taken the journey and would have enjoyed the ride if the framework was filled with life. To be honest, the premisse of the other games wasn't exactly Pulitzer material either. The Reapers destroying life because ultimately life would destroy itself sounds like an even poorer premisse to me. The game overdosed on the blandness drug. Some generic alien race, being a mixture between the Borg and the Collectors assimilating life, only one new friendly alien race, weak sauce companions and side quests that, if they aren't fetch, scan and carry, leave you dangling in thin air without being able to resolve them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
2543
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 12:57:35 GMT
The premisse isn't the problem. If you collected the memories, you get a pretty good insight on why the Initiative happened. It is an evacuation scenario, as you put it. So that's not my problem with the game, apart from yet another lose thread that never is answered in full. My one and only problem is the overall feeling of blandness, as compared to previous Bioware games. The lead, the companions, the missions. And, to a certain degree, that the most interresting side quests, end in a cliffhanger without being resolved. The murder of Garsson really kept me on my toes, as opposed to the numerous fetch and scan garbage, but in the end it left me even more disappointed, since there is no resolution to it. But to be fair, that stuff should have been explained up front. The game would then have had a better narrative feel from the very start. We would have known exactly why we made the journey. It should not have been left to derp ryder to find clues throughout the game. Exploration on its own does not have the same 'pull' as fighting for survival. Also... The bad guys designs are really really poor. Hell the design throughout the game is poor. Tis a shame they didn't have someone a little more creative on the design front. Why? Ryder's personal reasons for making the journey had to do with following his/her dad. The reasons for the Initiative being created, young Ryder simply did not know because Alec Ryder was not very communicative with his children. The "fighting for survival" ploy is also more cliche than each NPC, including the PC, having little personal reasons for making the journey. People having individual reasons for leaving is also more in line with what actually happened historically when different groups of people left Europe for North America. Also, one of the cons about ME1 that is commonly cited is that the NPCs give out huge info dumps at the beginning of the game. I thought this method of providing backstory was infinitely more interesting that hearing Tali prattle on about the Quarians or Shepard grilling everyone he met about their history and culture like an FNG "derp" when he/she was potentially born in space and an N7 war hero who should have easily encountered numerous species before then.
|
|
inherit
231
0
Jan 20, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
1,841
goishen
twitch.tv/goishen
2,360
August 2016
goishen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
goishen
|
Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2017 13:31:49 GMT
No, I think my subjective opinion along with the world's subjective opinion is an objective fact. The world objectively thinks that this is a bad game. The fact that you can't even recognize that, shows that there's something up with you. I'd suggest counseling, but you're too solipsistic to even recognize that there's anything wrong. Keep on thinking that the world is flat, the world was created 6,000 years ago, that everything in that story makes sense, that dinosaurs are fake, the moon landing never happened, 9/11 was an inside job, and most of all, keep on fighting the good fight. Nope, I think your view on it being objective is subjective. Nor do strawman arguments change that. However, you're welcome to your subjective opinion on your objectivity and so am I The closest I think we can get to objectivity on MEA is that it is a polarizing game; some think it is good, some think it is bad and others that it is mediocre or flawed. I think that you need your views on relativity, subjectiveness, and objectiveness examined. You've fallen down the well. So, let's take another approach. How many people died on 9/11? About 3,000? Well, that's subjective. What if I told you that nobody died in those towers that day? The rest is all fake news. Changes the conversation quite a bit, no? You can say that this objectively happened, and that this subjectively happened, and that I'm objectively fucked in the head. That's not the point that I'm going after here. I could care less how many people you think died on 9/11, as I already have a rough estimate of the number. The point I'm trying to get across to you is about objectivity. We have to realize at some point, that facts are facts. And no amount of wishing or saying, "Well, that's subjective!" will make that go away.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2017 13:52:35 GMT
Oh for fuck's sake.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
2543
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 13:53:28 GMT
Nope, I think your view on it being objective is subjective. Nor do strawman arguments change that. However, you're welcome to your subjective opinion on your objectivity and so am I The closest I think we can get to objectivity on MEA is that it is a polarizing game; some think it is good, some think it is bad and others that it is mediocre or flawed. I think that you need your views on relativity, subjectiveness, and objectiveness examined. You've fallen down the well. So, let's take another approach. How many people died on 9/11? About 3,000? Well, that's subjective. What if I told you that nobody died in those towers that day? The rest is all fake news. Changes the conversation quite a bit, no? You can say that this objectively happened, and that this subjectively happened, and that I'm objectively fucked in the head. That's not the point that I'm going after here. I could care less how many people you think died on 9/11, as I already have a rough estimate of the number. The point I'm trying to get across to you is about objectivity. We have to realize at some point, that facts are facts. And no amount of wishing or saying, "Well, that's subjective!" will make that go away. A listed synonym for "objective" is "unbiased." Clearly, you have had a bias concerning this game long before it was even released... as most of us have had. That bias was well documented on the old BSN and here before the game was released... and no amount of claiming that your opinions are objective can make all of that posting history go away. You have a bias. You are not objective. Neither am I; and I'd venture to say that no one here is. The only "objective facts" one could state are purely numerical... but no one is actually counting them and they are presenting their "impressions" of them in biased fashions... not oobjectively at all. In the example you state above, the dead/missing were counted. The stat is objective. However, there is an error factor... and when that error factor is presented to prove up a bias (e.g. fake news), then that statement becomes subjective. Claiming it's objective, doesn't make it so.
|
|
inherit
231
0
Jan 20, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
1,841
goishen
twitch.tv/goishen
2,360
August 2016
goishen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
goishen
|
Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2017 13:56:30 GMT
Way to completely miss the point. Why not try and go back and read what I originally posted and then come back at me? Or do you want me to quote myself?
|
|
inherit
4007
0
3,855
kotoreffect3
1,757
March 2017
kotoreffect3
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 27, 2017 15:01:43 GMT
Nope, I think your view on it being objective is subjective. Nor do strawman arguments change that. However, you're welcome to your subjective opinion on your objectivity and so am I The closest I think we can get to objectivity on MEA is that it is a polarizing game; some think it is good, some think it is bad and others that it is mediocre or flawed. I think that you need your views on relativity, subjectiveness, and objectiveness examined. You've fallen down the well. So, let's take another approach. How many people died on 9/11? About 3,000? Well, that's subjective. What if I told you that nobody died in those towers that day? The rest is all fake news. Changes the conversation quite a bit, no? You can say that this objectively happened, and that this subjectively happened, and that I'm objectively fucked in the head. That's not the point that I'm going after here. I could care less how many people you think died on 9/11, as I already have a rough estimate of the number. The point I'm trying to get across to you is about objectivity. We have to realize at some point, that facts are facts. And no amount of wishing or saying, "Well, that's subjective!" will make that go away. Your analogy is piss poor and you know it. You are comparing a tangible thing with a numerical value that can be measured (the number of people that died on 9/11) to something that is intangible which is the entertainment value of a video game which cannot be measured in a real tangible way without bias (and no assigning a review score to the game does not make it a tangible measurable thing). You are trying to impose your biased and subjective opinion as indisputable fact.
|
|
inherit
231
0
Jan 20, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
1,841
goishen
twitch.tv/goishen
2,360
August 2016
goishen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
goishen
|
Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2017 15:06:49 GMT
No, I'm trying to take all of those scores and come to an objective conclusion.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
2543
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 15:17:01 GMT
If you think your subjective opinion on a form of entertainment is objective fact then there is something wrong with you. Entertainment by it's nature is subjective as are people's preferences and tastes. No, I think my subjective opinion along with the world's subjective opinion is an objective fact. The world objectively thinks that this is a bad game. The fact that you can't even recognize that, shows that there's something up with you. I'd suggest counseling, but you're too solipsistic to even recognize that there's anything wrong. Keep on thinking that the world is flat, the world was created 6,000 years ago, that everything in that story makes sense, that dinosaurs are fake, the moon landing never happened, 9/11 was an inside job, and most of all, keep on fighting the good fight. There, I've quoted you so you don't have to quote yourself. My post stands... and I don't think I've missed your point at all. You are trying to bolster your bias, not only about ME:A but about the "world" in general by exaggerating "facts" and claiming objectivity and flinging insults as well. Hardly "objective" or even remotely trying to get to an objective conclusion.
|
|
inherit
4007
0
3,855
kotoreffect3
1,757
March 2017
kotoreffect3
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 27, 2017 15:20:57 GMT
No, I'm trying to take all of those scores and come to an objective conclusion. Except you can't when every individual review score was the result of a subjective bias review since every reviewer uses intangible criteria to judge a game based on what they believe is the criteria for a good game. The only thing in this situation that can measured objectively is the average of the review scores and that still does not measure the intangible value of the game itself because it varies from person to person based on their own desires and preferences. Also the fact that review scores themselves are so varied from outlet to outlet shows that it is not something that can be objectively measured. If it were every single outlet would have the same exact review score and you would not need to average it out.
|
|
Fen'Harel Faceman
N7
GIF Addict
Workin' so hard, to make it easy.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 13,331 Likes: 30,906
inherit
GIF Addict
374
0
30,906
Fen'Harel Faceman
Workin' so hard, to make it easy.
13,331
August 2016
almostfaceman
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 27, 2017 15:22:14 GMT
No, I'm trying to take all of those scores and come to an objective conclusion.
|
|
inherit
57
0
1
Nov 25, 2024 13:23:36 GMT
35,524
SofaJockey
Not a jockey. Has a sofa.
13,923
August 2016
sofajockey
SofaJockey
SofaJockey
6000
7164
|
Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2017 15:44:59 GMT
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2017 16:12:34 GMT
There's not nearly enough romance content to come close to qualifying as a dating "simulator". Well... it's multiplayer, so maybe Anthem players will be able to date real people instead of aliens. Yeah, nothing's more conducive to romance than an online environment where you're likely to run into a lot of 15 year olds.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
3082
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
Well... it's multiplayer, so maybe Anthem players will be able to date real people instead of aliens. Yeah, nothing's more conducive to romance than an online environment where you're likely to run into a lot of 15 year olds. You referring to BSN or multiplayer?
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2017 17:54:21 GMT
Yeah, nothing's more conducive to romance than an online environment where you're likely to run into a lot of 15 year olds. You referring to BSN or multiplayer?
|
|
inherit
231
0
Jan 20, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
1,841
goishen
twitch.tv/goishen
2,360
August 2016
goishen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
goishen
|
Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2017 19:23:57 GMT
No, I'm trying to take all of those scores and come to an objective conclusion. Except you can't when every individual review score was the result of a subjective bias review since every reviewer uses intangible criteria to judge a game based on what they believe is the criteria for a good game. The only thing in this situation that can measured objectively is the average of the review scores and that still does not measure the intangible value of the game itself because it varies from person to person based on their own desires and preferences. Also the fact that review scores themselves are so varied from outlet to outlet shows that it is not something that can be objectively measured. If it were every single outlet would have the same exact review score and you would not need to average it out. That's fine. If you want me to defend each of those things the same way that you defend this game, that's fine. I can become a 9/11 truther quick. If you believe that facts are facts, and are even willing to go so far as to say that all reviews and the reviews as a whole are subjective. That's great. If you wanna believe the main stream media about 9/11 that a bunch'a Arabs flew into the ARC, that's fine. Just know that I am the only truth teller here.
|
|
inherit
4007
0
3,855
kotoreffect3
1,757
March 2017
kotoreffect3
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 27, 2017 19:29:36 GMT
Except you can't when every individual review score was the result of a subjective bias review since every reviewer uses intangible criteria to judge a game based on what they believe is the criteria for a good game. The only thing in this situation that can measured objectively is the average of the review scores and that still does not measure the intangible value of the game itself because it varies from person to person based on their own desires and preferences. Also the fact that review scores themselves are so varied from outlet to outlet shows that it is not something that can be objectively measured. If it were every single outlet would have the same exact review score and you would not need to average it out. That's fine. If you want me to defend each of those things the same way that you defend this game, that's fine. I can become a 9/11 truther quick. If you believe that facts are facts, and are even willing to go so far as to say that all reviews and the reviews as a whole are subjective. That's great. If you wanna believe the main stream media about 9/11 that a bunch'a Arabs flew into the ARC, that's fine. Just know that I am the only truth teller here. First of all numbnutz you don't even know what my take on 9/11 is and if you are using my take on subjectivity vs objectivity on video games to determine you know what my thoughts on 9/11 are then you are more deluded than I thought. What next are you going to determine you know what someone's stance on immigration is based on what flavor of ice cream they like?
|
|
inherit
The Smiling Knight
538
0
24,097
smilesja
14,567
August 2016
smilesja
|
Post by smilesja on Jun 27, 2017 19:29:59 GMT
Except you can't when every individual review score was the result of a subjective bias review since every reviewer uses intangible criteria to judge a game based on what they believe is the criteria for a good game. The only thing in this situation that can measured objectively is the average of the review scores and that still does not measure the intangible value of the game itself because it varies from person to person based on their own desires and preferences. Also the fact that review scores themselves are so varied from outlet to outlet shows that it is not something that can be objectively measured. If it were every single outlet would have the same exact review score and you would not need to average it out. That's fine. If you want me to defend each of those things the same way that you defend this game, that's fine. I can become a 9/11 truther quick. If you believe that facts are facts, and are even willing to go so far as to say that all reviews and the reviews as a whole are subjective. That's great. If you wanna believe the main stream media about 9/11 that a bunch'a Arabs flew into the ARC, that's fine. Just know that I am the only truth teller here.
|
|
inherit
231
0
Jan 20, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
1,841
goishen
twitch.tv/goishen
2,360
August 2016
goishen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
goishen
|
Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2017 19:37:58 GMT
That's fine. If you want me to defend each of those things the same way that you defend this game, that's fine. I can become a 9/11 truther quick. If you believe that facts are facts, and are even willing to go so far as to say that all reviews and the reviews as a whole are subjective. That's great. If you wanna believe the main stream media about 9/11 that a bunch'a Arabs flew into the ARC, that's fine. Just know that I am the only truth teller here. First of all numbnutz you don't even know what my take on 9/11 is and if you are using my take on subjectivity vs objectivity on video games to determine you know what my thoughts on 9/11 are then you are more deluded than I thought. What next are you going to determine you know what someone's stance on immigration is based on what flavor of ice cream they like? Well, that's subjective.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
1383
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 9:22:31 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
6762
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:41:30 GMT
a "hiatus" only applies to whole titles, not DLC, and is not a reason to panic!!
New Mass Effect: Andromeda DLC Teased by Members of the Dev Team dontfeedthegamers.com/mass-effect-andromeda-dlc-teased-devs
|
|