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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 18:26:03 GMT
If DA didn't die despite the reception of DA2 why would Mass Effect series die?
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 18:31:00 GMT
If DA didn't die despite the reception of DA2 why would Mass Effect series die? The critical reception for DA2 was actually good... Not mediocre. The level of hate was also not at all comparable...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 18:38:56 GMT
If DA didn't die despite the reception of DA2 why would Mass Effect series die? The critical reception for DA2 was actually good... Not mediocre. The level of hate was also not at all comparable...
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 18:41:18 GMT
The critical reception for DA2 was actually good... Not mediocre. The level of hate was also not at all comparable... Low 80's average, lotta 90's, some game of the years. If that gets a face palm, then Andromeda gets a Cleveland steamer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 18:42:39 GMT
Low 80's average, lotta 90's, some game of the years. If that gets a face palm, then Andromeda gets a Cleveland steamer.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 26, 2017 18:53:10 GMT
For me, that's not cutting it by a long shot though for three reasons: 1. The silliness of even starting the AI (and having it stared by humans of all people) remains because the fail safe scenario was only introduced very late in the AI. The whole endevor still started in a very weird and illogical manner. 2. It also didn't matter for 99.9% of the people who signed up for it or who worked on it because the whole evacuation angle was kept top secret and only a handful of people in the upper echelons of AI leadership had any idea about it. So it's useful as an incentive for people to go either. 3. It still doesn't address the main problem with the premise and that's how they got to Andromeda. The ODSY drive makes no sense in the ME universe as we knew it before ME:A. So yea, memories or no, the premise was, is and remains garbage. That's why we find out all those shocking things about the AI from Alec's memories. It's a mystery left open and intended to be solved in a DLC or later game. What you don't understand, only the benefactor has the real answers for, and depending on their species, lord knows how they made the AI work. How could a secret benefactor ever explain the stupidity of over 80.000 (100.000 if you count the quairan ark) people to sign up for this crap? How could they explain the nonsensical nature of the magical ODSY drive, that somehow was built in broad daylight but was never mentioned by anyone else somehow? Sorry friend, the saying "DLC will make everything great again" reminds me too much of the ME3 ending debates. Maybe the benefactor knows more, however, I doubt BioWare does (or cares).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 18:55:38 GMT
That's why we find out all those shocking things about the AI from Alec's memories. It's a mystery left open and intended to be solved in a DLC or later game. What you don't understand, only the benefactor has the real answers for, and depending on their species, lord knows how they made the AI work. How could a secret benefactor ever explain the stupidity of over 80.000 (100.000 if you count the quairan ark) people to sign up for this crap? How could they explain the nonsensical nature of the magical ODSY drive, that somehow was built in broad daylight but was never mentioned by anyone else somehow? Sorry friend, the saying "DLC will make everything great again" reminds me too much of the ME3 ending debates. Maybe the benefactor knows more, however, I doubt BioWare does (or cares). People followed a dream, and it's natural to want to get the opportunity of a life time and to make that happen. I doubt half of them cared how they got there, just that they did and could start over. Oh they do and they have plans. That's how BW works.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 19:01:37 GMT
Low 80's average, lotta 90's, some game of the years. If that gets a face palm, then Andromeda gets a Cleveland steamer. Solid argument. Well thought out. I can see why you like Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:02:21 GMT
Solid argument. Well thought out. I can see why you like Andromeda. Thank you!
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 26, 2017 19:17:54 GMT
How could a secret benefactor ever explain the stupidity of over 80.000 (100.000 if you count the quairan ark) people to sign up for this crap? How could they explain the nonsensical nature of the magical ODSY drive, that somehow was built in broad daylight but was never mentioned by anyone else somehow? Sorry friend, the saying "DLC will make everything great again" reminds me too much of the ME3 ending debates. Maybe the benefactor knows more, however, I doubt BioWare does (or cares). People followed a dream, and it's natural to want to get the opportunity of a life time and to make that happen. I doubt half of them cared how they got there, just that they did and could start over. Oh they do and they have plans. That's how BW works. Well this is the wrong thread but let's just say that when humanity has interstellar travel for just about 20 years, made first contact with aliens just about 15 ago, has a dozen barely colonized garden worlds at their doorstep and when less than 1% of the Milky Way is explored at all, "following a dream" should mean anything else but certainly not going into cryosleep for over 600 years to fly to another galaxy. It's like asking the first explorers of the Americas to fly to Mars in 1520. And that's just one point. But as I said, it's kinda off topic here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
People followed a dream, and it's natural to want to get the opportunity of a life time and to make that happen. I doubt half of them cared how they got there, just that they did and could start over. Oh they do and they have plans. That's how BW works. Well this is the wrong thread but let's just say that when humanity has interstellar travel for just about 20 years, made first contact with aliens just about 15 ago, has a dozen barely colonized garden worlds at their doorstep and when less than 1% of the Milky Way is explored at all, "following a dream" should mean anything else but certainly not going into cryosleep for over 600 years to fly to another galaxy. It's like asking the first explorers of the Americas to fly to Mars in 1520. And that's just one point. But as I said, it's kinda off topic here. Talking to all the NPC's you learn of why they wanted to leave and since the MW was a whole galaxy and Heleus is just a small cluster, there's even more in Andromeda to explore than the MW.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 26, 2017 19:29:20 GMT
Talking to all the NPC's you learn of why they wanted to leave and since the MW was a whole galaxy and Heleus is just a small cluster, there's even more in Andromeda to explore than the MW. Just because the authors made a few NPCs say it doesn't mean it makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:31:51 GMT
Talking to all the NPC's you learn of why they wanted to leave and since the MW was a whole galaxy and Heleus is just a small cluster, there's even more in Andromeda to explore than the MW. Just because the authors made a few NPCs say it doesn't mean it makes sense. It's a game where we have a magic translator that can make all aliens speak our language, so I think trying to have a fantasy game make sense doesn't really work, and it should just be enjoyed for what it is, and not what it logically should be or how you think it logically should be. I don't take anything seriously, so that's probably why I enjoy it more than many others.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 26, 2017 19:34:49 GMT
If DA didn't die despite the reception of DA2 why would Mass Effect series die? I posted this in another thread but I will mention it again here: First off, DA2 didnt have low 70s review score average. Second, the DA franchise at the time only consisted of 1 game prior to DA2 releasing. At the time MEA released, the ME franchise consisted of 3 games. This means that the popularity and install base of the ME brand was WAY larger than that of the DA brand when DA2 released. So if MEA failed to live up to the hype critically, especially when standing on the shoulders of 3 past successful games, then this could give EA enough alarm to not go forward. Third, ME3 in many ways left a sour taste in many people's mouth. Overall it was a grear game that got good review scores and sold a lot, but the ending really hurt the brand. MEA was supposed to turn the page and start fresh. It was supposed to be in 2017 what ME1 was in 2007. It was supposed to make people forget about the ME3 ending and show that the ME brand still is a powerhouse but it only reinforced the idea that ME3 was the last good ME game and MEA was a lousy attempt at a cash grab by EA using the Bioware B-team. And fourth, the DA2 development while rushed, didnt have the same amount of in-studio drama as the MEA development had during it's 5 years. So yeah, fans hates DA2 and it still got SP DLC, but the core circumstances and expectations surrounding both games are drastically different.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 26, 2017 19:45:52 GMT
Just because the authors made a few NPCs say it doesn't mean it makes sense. It's a game where we have a magic translator that can make all aliens speak our language, so I think trying to have a fantasy game make sense doesn't really work, and it should just be enjoyed for what it is, and not what it logically should be or how you think it logically should be. I don't take anything seriously, so that's probably why I enjoy it more than many others. Alright, since we have arrived at the old "because it's fiction nothing matters" argument, let's leave it there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:47:13 GMT
It's a game where we have a magic translator that can make all aliens speak our language, so I think trying to have a fantasy game make sense doesn't really work, and it should just be enjoyed for what it is, and not what it logically should be or how you think it logically should be. I don't take anything seriously, so that's probably why I enjoy it more than many others. Alright, since we have arrived at the old "because it's fiction nothing matters" argument, let's leave it there. Nah... not an argument. I just don't care about facts when I play a game unless it's based on a real life situation. For me games are an escape from reality. The more real they are the less I feel that escape.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 26, 2017 23:44:32 GMT
Yeah and the more they give in, the worse those people will get thinking they can walk all over them. Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game, and you that love this game just let them get away with it if it was up to you. More mediocrity! We don't care how bad it is, we'll buy it anyways! Take our money!" Luckily the backlash has resulted in change. It is called having a personal taste something who seem unable to understand. So please shut up.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 26, 2017 23:55:46 GMT
Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game, and you that love this game just let them get away with it if it was up to you. More mediocrity! We don't care how bad it is, we'll buy it anyways! Take our money!" Luckily the backlash has resulted in change. It is called having a personal taste something who seem unable to understand. So please shut up. The problem is, for the trilogy... most people had the same taste. "Hmmm, this tastes good! I'll have another!" For Andromeda, a huge portion of fans were like "Ewww, this tastes reaaaaallll bad" EA kinda doesn't want that to be the case and would prefer the majority to think that it tastes good.
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Post by Zemgus on Jun 27, 2017 0:02:12 GMT
Mass Effect may or may not be "dead" - we don't know the truth. The guy who wrote the article said he believes that there will be no DLC. If that happens and there's no announcement of "we're switching our focus onto making another Mass Effect game now" (like happened with DA2's expansion dlc) then I guess you can assume there won't be another Mass Effect for a while now.
So the question: will Bioware announce it? I don't see that. They could maybe hint it in an interview or something but no official "Mass Effect is dead" announcement. Should Bioware announce it? Hmm, I guess it would be nice of them to do that so fans don't have to speculate among themselves about it any longer.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 27, 2017 0:12:16 GMT
MEA is just an unfinished lgbt sjw dating simulator with thousands of tedious fetch quests, Anthem is the real mass effect game we were waiting for, even though it doesn't have the mass effect title on it, Drew Karpyshyn is writing the game, the guy who wrote ME1 and 2, so, the good me games Anthem is being written by the same guy who writes massive exposition dumps instead of characters and a generic game world that looks so bland and samey that it makes Destiny look like Overwatch and it's in genre that EA has constantly failed in if Titanfall, Titanfall 2, and Star Wars: Battlefront are any indicators of their success. Maybe EA will get it right with Anthem but I doubt it.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2017 0:15:10 GMT
MEA is just an unfinished lgbt sjw dating simulator with thousands of tedious fetch quests, Anthem is the real mass effect game we were waiting for, even though it doesn't have the mass effect title on it, Drew Karpyshyn is writing the game, the guy who wrote ME1 and 2, so, the good me games The guy who writes massive exposition dumps instead of characters and a generic game world that looks so bland and samey that it makes Destiny look like Overwatch? Interesting commentary if true. Maybe that is why I did not like ME 1s cast as much as Andromeda's or 2s. Though then again from what I've observed the characters in KOTOR were good.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 27, 2017 0:41:27 GMT
The guy who writes massive exposition dumps instead of characters and a generic game world that looks so bland and samey that it makes Destiny look like Overwatch? Interesting commentary if true. Maybe that is why I did not like ME 1s cast as much as Andromeda's or 2s. Though then again from what I've observed the characters in KOTOR were good. Tali, Liara, Ash, Kaiden, and Wrex (until you get his loyalty quest) are just talking exposition dumps with about there respective races, classes, and politics. Garrus is only one when you talk to him he actually tells you about his life and he doesn't go on and on about turian government, society, religion, history, and etc. Or that we never learn much about Saren IN GAME and that he less screen time and his motivations make less sense than the Archon does in ME:A (the Archon wants to make all life in the cluster into kett and those that don't he will destroy) and is the end little more than glorified henchman that the only thing that makes him remarkable is that Shepard can talk into blowing his brains out and that is the ONLY memorable thing about him, and without the fact that Shepard can talk him into committing suicide he's just a standard 2D villain henchman with vague reasoning and does very little to drive the plot along. Most of his personality and backstory comes from the first novel and Mass Effect: Evolution comic mini-series and IMHO Drew Karpyshen's best work for Mass Effect was his novels.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2017 0:45:22 GMT
Interesting commentary if true. Maybe that is why I did not like ME 1s cast as much as Andromeda's or 2s. Though then again from what I've observed the characters in KOTOR were good. Tali, Liara, Ash, Kaiden, and Wrex (until you get his loyalty quest) are just talking exposition dumps with about there respective races, classes, and politics. Garrus is only one when you talk to him he actually tells you about his life and he doesn't go on and on about turian government, society, religion, history, and etc. Or that we never learn much about Saren IN GAME and that he less screen time and his motivations make less sense than the Archon does in ME:A (the Archon wants to make all life in the cluster into kett and those that don't he will destroy) and is the end little more than glorified henchman that the only thing that makes him remarkable is that Shepard can talk into blowing his brains out and that is the ONLY memorable thing about him, and without the fact that Shepard can talk him into committing suicide he's just a standard 2D villain henchman with vague reasoning and does very little to drive the plot along. Most of his personality and backstory comes from the first novel and Mass Effect: Evolution comic mini-series and IMHO Drew Karpyshen's best work for Mass Effect was his novels. I disagree about Saren, I quite liked him about a villain. But other then that, heck even about Saren, you are right.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 27, 2017 1:45:15 GMT
Low 80's average, lotta 90's, some game of the years. If that gets a face palm, then Andromeda gets a Cleveland steamer. Have you seen the fan reaction through?
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