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Post by SwobyJ on Jul 13, 2017 19:44:10 GMT
What I really don't get is, if ME:A is such a failed game, why bother with any of this? BW continually patches it then EA puts it on sale for really great deals and gives prospective buyers demos, and otherwise try to shine a spotlight on the product. That doesn't scream "failed game" to me. Multiplayer transactions. "This is the perfect time to join the fight for humanity’s new home. Play unlimited Multiplayer and play through to the first planet in Single Player." You'll notice how it gets top billing, (but you could also play single player - but multiplayer is where it's at!!) I think MP gets further Bioware RPGy projects greenlit by the publishing side, but SP gets them happening at all. Still. And I think Bioware is well aware of this, and its even how they avoid employee turnover (designers might love playing MP games, but being stuck to one for years can be a special torture that kills creativity). Keeping designers for SP games and DLC, while still making profits, and just including a requirement to make sure MP happens and is also profitable, is win-win. Mostly. Doesn't work all the time and MP inevitably impacts SP in negative ways (but we also often neglect to note the positive ways). EDIT: This is just my personal impressions with developers. Even things like Overwatch storylines, things utterly unnecessary and of only moderate at best value for franchise growth, is a plus for Blizzard because it doesn't just get fans invested, but developers too. And in an interested direction towards more SP. Sure MEA could end at APEX events. That'd suck, but sure. But I'm inclined to believing we're not there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 19:44:43 GMT
I have yet to seen any game get the kind of improvements that ME:A has gotten through patching. A failed game my get bugfixes, but never have I seen one get new and improved content alongside those patches. Well most games generally don't fix animations since they were never broke to start out with. Various games however get plenty of content drops with patches though. What new content has Andromeda received since launch? Does the headset casual wear count? I haven't seen new missions or DLC so I don't count anything patch related as actual content. I have seen plenty of games with broke-ass animation off the jump that never got patched. Not quite sure were that train is headed... A few quests have been added, appearance items were added, cinematic and conversations were greatly improved... an entirely new romance... you know, nothing of importance added. You may not count it, but that is simply purposeful ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 19:54:13 GMT
Aww come on! Haven't you heard? Mass Effect is dead, no DLC, skeleton crew at Bioware, all from the mouth of our Lord and savior Jason! It only makes sense that a failed, shelved game would make continuous improvements just because! Yup. I've actually played a game that was shelved. It's called Alpha Protocol. All patching ceased trilogy canned. When a project is canned and everything stops. I remember how bad that game was hacked on by the press and gamers. It gave me PTSD.
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Post by melbella on Jul 13, 2017 19:59:28 GMT
Soooo....if we already have the game, can we play the trial (again) to get the achievement unlocked? Yes, I obsess about dumb stuff like that.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 20:03:40 GMT
Correlation does not equal causation. Ooo using big words to dismiss me without an argument. Not surprised. That was the most concise argument I could possibly make...
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Post by smilesja on Jul 13, 2017 20:03:43 GMT
Well most games generally don't fix animations since they were never broke to start out with. Various games however get plenty of content drops with patches though. What new content has Andromeda received since launch? Does the headset casual wear count? I haven't seen new missions or DLC so I don't count anything patch related as actual content. I have seen plenty of games with broke-ass animation off the jump that never got patched. Not quite sure were that train is headed... A few quests have been added, appearance items were added, cinematic and conversations were greatly improved... an entirely new romance... you know, nothing of importance added. You may not count it, but that is simply purposeful ignorance. New Vegas still crashes on me years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
I have seen plenty of games with broke-ass animation off the jump that never got patched. Not quite sure were that train is headed... A few quests have been added, appearance items were added, cinematic and conversations were greatly improved... an entirely new romance... you know, nothing of importance added. You may not count it, but that is simply purposeful ignorance. New Vegas still crashes on me years later. Shh... Bethesda gets a free pass for bugs for some unknown reason...
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 13, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
Yup. I've actually played a game that was shelved. It's called Alpha Protocol. All patching ceased trilogy canned. When a project is canned and everything stops. Correlation does not equal causation. Yes, but history can help to extrapolate tends...
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 20:08:56 GMT
Correlation does not equal causation. Yes, but history can help to extrapolate tends... So the history of a small studio (Obsidian) can help extrapolate data for the largest gaming publisher? Interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:10:20 GMT
Also, taking a look at the trial page on their website: Seems like an awful long time they're leaving the door open for people to try a game they've supposedly abandoned. (Also, because I love pointing out how suikoden never has any clue of what he's talking about, it's the same 10-hour trial that was available to Xbox One and Origin players. It's not "play unlimited multiplayer for free forever", it's "no limitations on the multiplayer during your 10-hour trial", unlike how the single-player is restricted to the beginning of the game.)
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Post by smilesja on Jul 13, 2017 20:16:16 GMT
New Vegas still crashes on me years later. Shh... Bethesda gets a free pass for bugs for some unknown reason...Obsidian made the game. Bethesda published it.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 20:17:59 GMT
Also, taking a look at the trial page on their website: Seems like an awful long time they're leaving the door open for people to try a game they've supposedly abandoned. (Also, because I love pointing out how suikoden never has any clue of what he's talking about, it's the same 10-hour trial that was available to Xbox One and Origin players. It's not "play unlimited multiplayer for free forever", it's "no limitations on the multiplayer during your 10-hour trial", unlike how the single-player is restricted to the beginning of the game.) I never said free unlimited multiplayer forever. Not sure what point you're trying to make. My point was they're emphasizing multiplayer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:19:10 GMT
Shh... Bethesda gets a free pass for bugs for some unknown reason... Obsidian made the game. Bethesda published it. EA published ME:A and is blamed for everything under the sun. Anything with the Bethesda name gets a free pass even if half the userbase can't play due to some bug. Obvious bias is obvious. (But yeah, thanks for the correction and don't mind me bantz. )
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 13, 2017 20:20:30 GMT
Yes, but history can help to extrapolate tends... So the history of a small studio (Obsidian) can help extrapolate data for the largest gaming publisher? Interesting! Odd that that's the only franchise that's ever been cancelled...
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 13, 2017 20:31:57 GMT
Also, taking a look at the trial page on their website: Seems like an awful long time they're leaving the door open for people to try a game they've supposedly abandoned. (Also, because I love pointing out how suikoden never has any clue of what he's talking about, it's the same 10-hour trial that was available to Xbox One and Origin players. It's not "play unlimited multiplayer for free forever", it's "no limitations on the multiplayer during your 10-hour trial", unlike how the single-player is restricted to the beginning of the game.) That's awfully close to N7 Day, by the way, though. I would think they would want to keep building up the franchise every day of that month till N7 Day, right? Not start the first day of the month and having to announce something that the trial is going to be over. I would have closed it by the middle of October or anything before November to avoid that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:42:42 GMT
Also, taking a look at the trial page on their website: Seems like an awful long time they're leaving the door open for people to try a game they've supposedly abandoned. (Also, because I love pointing out how suikoden never has any clue of what he's talking about, it's the same 10-hour trial that was available to Xbox One and Origin players. It's not "play unlimited multiplayer for free forever", it's "no limitations on the multiplayer during your 10-hour trial", unlike how the single-player is restricted to the beginning of the game.) That's awfully close to N7 Day, by the way, though. I would think they would want to keep building up the franchise every day of that month till N7 Day, right? Not start the first day of the month and having to announce something that the trial is going to be over. I would have closed it by the middle of October or anything before November to avoid that. They did a build up of several "initiation" trailers to lead up to the game... perhaps a similar lead up ad campaign goes with whatever is upcoming and possibly going to be released or announced on N7 day. Possible we're skipping DLC and fast-tracking to a sequel that may have been secretly in production even while the first game was being made???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:44:03 GMT
That's awfully close to N7 Day, by the way, though. I would think they would want to keep building up the franchise every day of that month till N7 Day, right? Not start the first day of the month and having to announce something that the trial is going to be over. I would have closed it by the middle of October or anything before November to avoid that. They did a build up of several "initiation" trailers to lead up to the game... perhaps a similar lead up ad campaign goes with whatever is upcoming and possibly going to be released or announced on N7 day. Possible we're skipping DLC and fast-tracking to a sequel that may have been secretly in production even while the first game was being made??? Now that is reaching!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:51:24 GMT
Okay I might get skinned alive for saying this but Alpha Protocol was actually a pretty decent Mass Effect clone. It had pretty damn good dialogue.....pity it was designed like poop in the final few boss fights.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 20:52:44 GMT
Okay I might get skinned alive for saying this but Alpha Protocol was actually a pretty decent Mass Effect clone. It had pretty damn good dialogue.....pity it was designed like poop in the final few boss fights. I agree - I remember the enemy AI was pretty awful but the dialogue and branching paths were great. Maybe Bioware could outsource Obsidian to do the dialogue in the next Mass Effect game if there is one. And someone else to do the animations... and someone else to come up with the plot... Maybe they could sell the franchise to someone else..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:58:48 GMT
They did a build up of several "initiation" trailers to lead up to the game... perhaps a similar lead up ad campaign goes with whatever is upcoming and possibly going to be released or announced on N7 day. Possible we're skipping DLC and fast-tracking to a sequel that may have been secretly in production even while the first game was being made??? Now that is reaching! Oh, I absolutely agree... I'm reaching... but at least I'm reaching in a positively speculative direction.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 13, 2017 21:10:22 GMT
Yup. I've actually played a game that was shelved. It's called Alpha Protocol. All patching ceased trilogy canned. When a project is canned and everything stops. Correlation does not equal causation. He's not correlating behaviour (nor is he attributing cause). He's pointing out that a game can't be both abandoned and maintained in the same way a man can't be both taller and shorter than the man next to him.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 13, 2017 21:31:59 GMT
Okay, I wasn't expecting this. It's a first, isn't it? I mean, has BioWare ever released a free trial for a SP game before? They did Trial for Dragon Age Inquisition, however Trial version of that game no longer exists and instead you can play entire game with EA/Origin Access subscription. ME:A is first, not just BioWare game, but also EA game to get Trial version for free. This is an interesting marketing move for certain. A 2nd chance to try and build up support maybe? Last gasp? A very odd move...unless there is something actually planned? I really don't know anymore.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 13, 2017 22:12:03 GMT
To be fair, arguments could be made for and against the possibility of upcoming DLC. We just don't have enough data.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 13, 2017 22:20:16 GMT
Well most games generally don't fix animations since they were never broke to start out with. Various games however get plenty of content drops with patches though. What new content has Andromeda received since launch? Does the headset casual wear count? I haven't seen new missions or DLC so I don't count anything patch related as actual content. I have seen plenty of games with broke-ass animation off the jump that never got patched. Not quite sure were that train is headed... A few quests have been added, appearance items were added, cinematic and conversations were greatly improved... an entirely new romance... you know, nothing of importance added. You may not count it, but that is simply purposeful ignorance. It's not purposeful ignorance cause it's not real content. Get some DLC then tell me they've added real content cause content keeps people interested....not worrying if the game will even get DLC.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 13, 2017 22:20:27 GMT
What a surprise, Suikoden all over this topic trying to spin this into the death of MEA.
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