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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 14, 2017 13:03:33 GMT
Look, I know it's fun for everyone to trash Suikoden the way he does the game. He's obviously very angry and dissatisfied about how MEA turned out. Consider that he's actually more CONCERNED that BioWare is going to fail and he'll never see another decent RPG out of them than that he's a complete hater. I've said before that I'm not a fan of his tactics but I'm really starting to see that he's NOT HAPPY with the idea that BioWare may never do another ME game again. It's just coming out as anger at BioWare. I don't think he hopes BioWare fails. Instead, he fears that they'll fail. I've read posts from him where he's bashed members who are happily talking about the game or optimistic about DLC and said they were all circlejerking. You do know what that is right? I also remember some kind of happy dance video or gif he posts that I think was related to no dlc news or something along those lines. Circlejerking comments have come from him on more than one occasion. Perhaps two or three? Not that I am for attacking him but I think whatever he gets at this point in response to that behavior is something of his own making. For ever action there is an equal or opposite reaction. If he doesn't want people to treat him badly, perhaps he should not be rude and insulting? This forum really loves the mindset that two wrongs make a right. It's very hypocritical of most. I'd agree with DMC, people should lay off if they themselves want to be taken seriously. Doubt it'll happen cause most get riled up over the smallest of things or accuse people of being trolls yet months later they'll still talk to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:09:31 GMT
And I'm the one with "purposeful ignorance" 👍 *whoosh*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:27:57 GMT
I've read posts from him where he's bashed members who are happily talking about the game or optimistic about DLC and said they were all circlejerking. You do know what that is right? I also remember some kind of happy dance video or gif he posts that I think was related to no dlc news or something along those lines. Circlejerking comments have come from him on more than one occasion. Perhaps two or three? Not that I am for attacking him but I think whatever he gets at this point in response to that behavior is something of his own making. For ever action there is an equal or opposite reaction. If he doesn't want people to treat him badly, perhaps he should not be rude and insulting? This forum really loves the mindset that two wrongs make a right. It's very hypocritical of most. I'd agree with DMC, people should lay off if they themselves want to be taken seriously. Doubt it'll happen cause most get riled up over the smallest of things or accuse people of being trolls yet months later they'll still talk to them. Most of the forum probably has him on ignore at this point. Many of us do not respond. Some do. I do when he's just asking a question about the game or what people like in threads he starts which he has a few of them going right now. They are the most productive posts/threads I have seen from him since before I was a member. I haven't read the whole threads but his questions at least are interesting and do not appear to be trolling or baiting. I do hope the threads remain this way and that we can all get along. But if he trolls then getting negative responses is part for the course. People come here everyday and there is only so much crap they should have to take. Yeah laying off would be good. If everyone ignored him the behavior might stop. But people normally don't respond well to being repeatedly antagonized. Nor should they have to. People who behave that was should be banned. I have noted more than a few people have deleted their profile, and I suspect that many of them just get sick of the atmosphere which is in part created by negative behavior exhibited by him and others like him. Of the ones I've noted that have left, all seemed rather nice. Some quite optimistic and friendly which is rather sad to see the nicer ones go. Speaks volumes about the forum and what is going on in it when nice and generally positive posters delete their profiles because they had enough negativity and arguing or needing to defend liking something in a forum that is overall designed for people who like that specific something. That is a sad state of affairs. And it sure wasn't these nice people who left that were responsible for any negative atmosphere here.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 14, 2017 14:47:24 GMT
But even if sales sucked, they probably aren't worse than DA2 which took a ton of abuse and got next to no good reviews. Actually, DA2 was released to some great (seriously overhyped) critical reviews. Even now DA2 maintains a Metascore of 82 compared to Andromeda's 72. I remember this quote from PCGamer vividly: Turns out you didn't even have to wait one. Tell me about it. The insane reception DA2 received was about the point where I started losing faith in game reviews in general. PC Gamer awarded it a 94 IIRC. 94. DA2. Ninety. Four.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 14, 2017 14:53:33 GMT
Look, I know it's fun for everyone to trash Suikoden the way he does the game. He's obviously very angry and dissatisfied about how MEA turned out. Consider that he's actually more CONCERNED that BioWare is going to fail and he'll never see another decent RPG out of them than that he's a complete hater. I've said before that I'm not a fan of his tactics but I'm really starting to see that he's NOT HAPPY with the idea that BioWare may never do another ME game again. It's just coming out as anger at BioWare. I don't think he hopes BioWare fails. Instead, he fears that they'll fail. I've read posts from him where he's bashed members who are happily talking about the game or optimistic about DLC and said they were all circlejerking. You do know what that is right? I also remember some kind of happy dance video or gif he posts that I think was related to no dlc news or something along those lines. Circlejerking comments have come from him on more than one occasion. Perhaps two or three? Not that I am for attacking him but I think whatever he gets at this point in response to that behavior is something of his own making. For ever action there is an equal or opposite reaction. If he doesn't want people to treat him badly, perhaps he should not be rude and insulting? I didn't actually so I looked it up. Now I wish I didn't.🤢
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 14, 2017 15:58:52 GMT
Actually, DA2 was released to some great (seriously overhyped) critical reviews. Even now DA2 maintains a Metascore of 82 compared to Andromeda's 72. I remember this quote from PCGamer vividly: Turns out you didn't even have to wait one. Tell me about it. The insane reception DA2 received was about the point where I started losing faith in game reviews in general. PC Gamer awarded it a 94 IIRC. 94. DA2. Ninety. Four. OTOH, the negative fan reviews were hysterical and overblown. Remember how crazy the old boards were about DA2? My takeaway from DA2 was to distrust fan reviews even more than professional reviews.
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Post by bshep on Jul 14, 2017 17:13:44 GMT
Tell me about it. The insane reception DA2 received was about the point where I started losing faith in game reviews in general. PC Gamer awarded it a 94 IIRC. 94. DA2. Ninety. Four. OTOH, the negative fan reviews were hysterical and overblown. Remember how crazy the old boards were about DA2? My takeaway from DA2 was to distrust fan reviews even more than professional reviews. Not sure why but internet trolls started stalking bioware games since DA2 The game has a big problem with reused scenario assets but the characters and story are good, also the gameplay is a huge improvement over the point and click thing from the previous game. Bottom line DA2 is a good game but with some annoying issues.
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Post by VanSinn on Jul 15, 2017 1:59:12 GMT
It's probably already been said, but I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread. Sue me. I wouldn't be surprised if this means most (if not all) of the patching is complete, and EA/Bioware are trying to "re-market" the game in a "finished" state. I doubt they'll drum up a HUGE amount of extra sales, but a boost certainly wouldn't hurt. It could also be a prelude to perhaps SP DLC, where the more people who own the base game = higher chance of more DLC sales. This one is definitely a guess, though, since we have no idea if SP DLC is in the works. I think ME:A made enough in initial sales to warrant at least one SP DLC, but again, this is pure speculation. I wouldn't be surprised if no DLC is forthcoming, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were, either.
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Post by dawnold on Jul 15, 2017 2:36:18 GMT
Do you guys think they would release dlc on the same day as the "Xbox One X" launch (N7 day)? The eyes of the world would be wide open on that day, they just have to hope they glance in the right direction.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 15, 2017 7:56:29 GMT
What a surprise, Suikoden all over this topic trying to spin this into the death of MEA. Pathological. To be honest if folk let suikoden say his piece without further arguing about his presence (he is allowed to post) then we could have a higher proportion of discussion to argument, yes? Enough of that. Onwards...
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 15, 2017 9:20:50 GMT
What a surprise, Suikoden all over this topic trying to spin this into the death of MEA. Pathological. To be honest if folk let suikoden say his piece without further arguing about his presence (he is allowed to post) then we could have a higher proportion of discussion to argument, yes? Enough of that. Onwards... I'm not saying he isn't allowed to post. I'm just calling him pathological about it. Am regularly in stitches to be honest. 'I saw a lot of new posters today, so I figured I'd get the word out about this "Jason" guy' Jason in quotes of course, gotta stay mysterious.
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Post by Fredward on Jul 15, 2017 9:44:53 GMT
Getting off on the disappointment of others prooobably displays some level of over investment, otoh so does getting so upset over a wet blanket that you decide to just take your ball and go home.
IIRC Dishonored 2 did something like this but they were pretty upfront about the fact that sales were lower than they'd have liked. It might be trying to drum up some cash to defray the cost of DLC.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 15, 2017 15:08:26 GMT
Getting off on the disappointment of others prooobably displays some level of over investment, otoh so does getting so upset over a wet blanket that you decide to just take your ball and go home. IIRC Dishonored 2 did something like this but they were pretty upfront about the fact that sales were lower than they'd have liked. It might be trying to drum up some cash to defray the cost of DLC. Too bad, too. Dishonored 2 is a great game.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 15, 2017 22:51:10 GMT
A trial, eh? Hmm, I like it. Shows some hustle. Some hustle skills. Also, the Nov 1 deadline..and Achievement?!?(with N7 a week after the trial ends) actually makes me a little excited. The idea that maaayyybeee they're setting up for a N7 day surprise.... Oh, Lord, I think I'm gonna pass out. Instead, however, I am going to temper expectations - and hopes and dreams! You hear me, BW! Hopes and Dreams, I said! Hehehe. Ahh. It's good to see signs of life, and dare I say confidence? It's like when you thought E.T. was dead. He was crustified, wrapped up and thrown into the freezer coffin. Then Boom! the red solar plexus life glow came back on. E.T. phoned home! And it apparently involved some type of spirit astral travel to do so? The Etch a Sketch wasn't working, or something. But I digress. Yeah, it's good to hear about this trial in a weird way. It's encouraging, but I remain cautiously optimistic. * knocksonwood*
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 15, 2017 23:09:12 GMT
A trial, eh? Hmm, I like it. Shows some hustle. Some hustle skills. Also, the Nov 1 deadline..and Achievement?!?(with N7 a week after the trial ends) actually makes me a little excited. The idea that maaayyybeee they're setting up for a N7 day surprise.... Oh, Lord, I think I'm gonna pass out. Instead, however, I am going to temper expectations - and hopes and dreams! You hear me, BW! Hopes and Dreams, I said! Hehehe. Ahh. It's good to see signs of life, and dare I say confidence? It's like when you thought E.T. was dead. He was crustified, wrapped up and thrown into the freezer coffin. Then Boom! the red solar plexus life glow came back on. E.T. phoned home! And it apparently involved some type of spirit astral travel to do so? The Etch a Sketch wasn't working, or something. But I digress. Yeah, it's good to hear about this trial in a weird way. It's encouraging, but I remain cautiously optimistic. * knocksonwood* Yea, though I'm a bit skeptical about the N7 day dlc. I actually think the dlc will come sooner, not that it'll never come. That's usually when the big triple A games come out. MEA dlc will just get overshadowed by the likes of Star Wars, Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed. Its certainly encouraging for a franchise that's supposedly on "hiatus". It shows EA is still willing to try-especially give the free trial to ps4 users; who can't even get EA Access.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 16, 2017 0:41:49 GMT
Sooner is good, too.
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Post by VanSinn on Jul 16, 2017 1:32:44 GMT
If SP DLC is forthcoming, it'll be during this free trial period. Maybe a month or so from now, so people will still have access to the trial when the DLC is announced and perhaps reviewed. They'll hear about the DLC, and potentially play the trial to see if ME:A is "worth it" now, and if so, buy it and DLC together.
Were I EA or Bioware, I certainly wouldn't wait until the free trial has expired before releasing DLC. Any hype generated by the free trial will have waned by then.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 16, 2017 1:43:29 GMT
Getting off on the disappointment of others prooobably displays some level of over investment, otoh so does getting so upset over a wet blanket that you decide to just take your ball and go home. IIRC Dishonored 2 did something like this but they were pretty upfront about the fact that sales were lower than they'd have liked. It might be trying to drum up some cash to defray the cost of DLC. Too bad, too. Dishonored 2 is a great game. A friend gifted me a copy recently. Is it better storywise than the first one?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 16, 2017 1:57:31 GMT
If SP DLC is forthcoming, it'll be during this free trial period. Maybe a month or so from now, so people will still have access to the trial when the DLC is announced and perhaps reviewed. They'll hear about the DLC, and potentially play the trial to see if ME:A is "worth it" now, and if so, buy it and DLC together. Were I EA or Bioware, I certainly wouldn't wait until the free trial has expired before releasing DLC. Any hype generated by the free trial will have waned by then. I think the opportunity to get new players came and went to be honest. The last two weeks before launch and the last two weeks to a month or so after launch are probably going to be MEA's most successful weeks-regardless of this trial. The only people that care about dlc at this point-is well us. Given how long it is people are going to forget and I highly doubt they'll give constant updates to get people to download it. I just don't understand why this is needed. I'd be real curious if they actually see a jump in the player base as a result of this. Like any other single player focused games this is the time period were people don't really care about it-other then their hardcore fanbase.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 16, 2017 2:31:09 GMT
Too bad, too. Dishonored 2 is a great game. A friend gifted me a copy recently. Is it better storywise than the first one? I haven't finished it yet, but so far I'd say the story is about the same. Although, I've heard of you play the DLC from the first one that it reinforces the story for 2. Witches of Dathromir or something like that? I didn't play the DLC yet, though, so I can speak to that. I love the ability to choose who you play as, and the story is definitely a high point.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 16, 2017 2:40:38 GMT
A friend gifted me a copy recently. Is it better storywise than the first one? I haven't finished it yet, but so far I'd say the story is about the same. Although, I've heard of you play the DLC from the first one that it reinforces the story for 2. Witches of Dathromir or something like that? I didn't play the DLC yet, though, so I can speak to that. I love the ability to choose who you play as, and the story is definitely a high point. I think you're talking about the Brigmore Witches and, no, I didn't play it. The Witches of Dathomir do exist in the Star Wars universe though.
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Post by VanSinn on Jul 16, 2017 3:15:12 GMT
If SP DLC is forthcoming, it'll be during this free trial period. Maybe a month or so from now, so people will still have access to the trial when the DLC is announced and perhaps reviewed. They'll hear about the DLC, and potentially play the trial to see if ME:A is "worth it" now, and if so, buy it and DLC together. Were I EA or Bioware, I certainly wouldn't wait until the free trial has expired before releasing DLC. Any hype generated by the free trial will have waned by then. I think the opportunity to get new players came and went to be honest. The last two weeks before launch and the last two weeks to a month or so after launch are probably going to be MEA's most successful weeks-regardless of this trial. The only people that care about dlc at this point-is well us. Given how long it is people are going to forget and I highly doubt they'll give constant updates to get people to download it. I just don't understand why this is needed. I'd be real curious if they actually see a jump in the player base as a result of this. Like any other single player focused games this is the time period were people don't really care about it-other then their hardcore fanbase. Well, it doesn't cost EA anything to offer the trial for free, and there's always the chance that more people will buy the game now that most of the more egregious issues have been "fixed" (not completely, but enough that it's in MUCH better shape than it was at launch). I personally feel that we'll get at least one SP DLC, I think the game sold well enough to do that at least, so I don't think this is a move to drum up sales to support said DLC. However, EA is interested in more sales (naturally), and if they can re-market ME:A now that it's in a more polished state, thus potentially sell more copies (and if so, more DLC) then that's only a good thing as far as they're concerned. It's basically (nearly) free advertising, so it certainly can't hurt. It just might give a slight boost in sales during the free trial period, so it's not a bad idea as far as EA is concerned. My post you quoted was more about the timeline for any potential DLC, and that I very much doubt EA/BW would wait until after the free trial has expired before releasing DLC. If there's any swell of new buyers, having the DLC launch during this window would only (potentially) increase those sales, but waiting until after the free trial has ended wouldn't really work, since any potential hype this move will generate will have faded by then.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 16, 2017 5:06:03 GMT
I haven't finished it yet, but so far I'd say the story is about the same. Although, I've heard of you play the DLC from the first one that it reinforces the story for 2. Witches of Dathromir or something like that? I didn't play the DLC yet, though, so I can speak to that. I love the ability to choose who you play as, and the story is definitely a high point. I think you're talking about the Brigmore Witches and, no, I didn't play it. The Witches of Dathomir do exist in the Star Wars universe though. Ha! Yes, that's the one. I should have looked that up instead of looking like an idiot, but...ya know...idiot.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 16, 2017 5:14:54 GMT
EA tryin' to boost those sales, naturally. Those YT comments are just sad, but at least shows people still want that DLC despite Andromeda being what it is. If Montreal is still around, I wouldn't mind a LoTSB or Trespasser quality content.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jul 16, 2017 5:18:24 GMT
Honestly right now my theory is that - regardless of whether we're getting DLC or not - BioWare/EA simply feels the game is now in a much more presentable state than it was at launch, and that hopefully by offering a free trial, a decent number of people will give the game a look (either out of genuine interest, or to see how 'bad' it is after all the backlash at launch) and hopefully purchase it.
Who knows, maybe DLC is already on the way and they want to grow the player base before it drops; maybe DLC is a possibility but will only be greenlit if x number of copies are sold during the trial period, or maybe there really is no DLC but EA has enough sense to see how much the game has been improved and decided it was worth advertising to potential new players, however many there will actually be.
It just makes me so sad to see how much better MEA is now after the patches and how much the dev team (however much is left of it) have managed to improve in a relatively short space of time, knowing the game could have launched like this. And yes I know that releasing now in the middle of July wouldn't have made any sense financially and that it had to be March, but it still stings to think of what the game's reputation will forever be, in no small part because it simply lacked a layer of polish (that now exists) and the internet had a field day with it.
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