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Post by warrior on Aug 5, 2017 23:24:41 GMT
Yeah, i dont see anything wrong with a Jaal/MRyder/Liam threesome. In fact, we'll take it! Thanks for the suggestion mannyray , you're very good at gay scenarios aren't you? Got any more gay content ideas? We still need more. You've made up your mind that I'm anti-LGBT because I don't think the game should have to revolve around sexuality morality plays. In answer to your question, how about The archon rapes Scott Ryder at the end of the game, and they realize that the sheer amount of ecstacy they shared compels them to stop fighting and peace is achieved? If that's not "Gay is awesome" I don't know what is
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 23:30:41 GMT
Don't dish out what you can't take is the moral here. In other words, a character's sexuality not being what the plot revolves around isn't anti-anything.
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Post by Salty Drell on Aug 5, 2017 23:34:03 GMT
Yeah, i dont see anything wrong with a Jaal/MRyder/Liam threesome. In fact, we'll take it! Thanks for the suggestion mannyray , you're very good at gay scenarios aren't you? Got any more gay content ideas? We still need more. You've made up your mind that I'm anti-LGBT because I don't think the game should have to revolve around sexuality morality plays. In answer to your question, how about The archon rapes Scott Ryder at the end of the game, and they realize that the sheer amount of ecstacy they shared compels them to stop fighting and peace is achieved? If that's not "Gay is awesome" I don't know what is Homophobic and you make light of rape. Thanks for making that clear, you just lost everyone's respect. Good day.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 23:35:36 GMT
You've made up your mind that I'm anti-LGBT because I don't think the game should have to revolve around sexuality morality plays. In answer to your question, how about The archon rapes Scott Ryder at the end of the game, and they realize that the sheer amount of ecstacy they shared compels them to stop fighting and peace is achieved? If that's not "Gay is awesome" I don't know what is Homophobic and you make light of rape. Thanks for making that clear, you just lost everyone's respect. Good day. You lost mine several posts ago. It's all good.
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Post by Salty Drell on Aug 5, 2017 23:36:58 GMT
Homophobic and you make light of rape. Thanks for making that clear, you just lost everyone's respect. Good day. You lost mine several posts ago. It's all good. At least i'm a decent person.
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Post by setokaiba on Aug 6, 2017 0:02:07 GMT
I don't how what mannyray said was homophobic or making light of rape anyone care to explain? It seems like he is trying to say that a character sexuality shouldn't matter in a video game because if all that character got going for it is they like men, women, or both then that is not a very interesting character at all. If a Dev make a game about a gay character is all he/she has going for them is they are gay then no is going to care about that character because that is a boring character most people don't care what you do in your sex life. Like what you like just don't expect people to care or want forced on them.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 0:21:05 GMT
Oh well I guess that settles it. That's why sometimes I regret giving people benefits of doubt.
Anyway, it is unfortunate that there are rarely any major lgbt characters in video games because of the assumption that they would make straight/cis people uncomfortable (how accurate the assumption is is debatable).
This is why I praise Bioware for having major and plot-importance bi characters like Liara and Anders. I know it is a low risk or a baby-step move, but it is more than what most other AA publishers have done. But I would love to see Bioware go above and beyond this in DA4. At least I hope both Dorian and Maevaris play an important role in DA4. I doubt that either of them would be romanceable though.
For the next ME:A game, I doubt Bioware will make either Gil or Avitus have more important role. I guess my hope is with Jaal, Reyes, and possible other characters whose sexuality is not identified yet. Yes, I am looking at you, Kandros and Evfra.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 1:38:11 GMT
If BioWare rediverted all the ressources they used to please 1-2% of their customers (gays) I'm not going to argue about the actual % of the population that is LGBT, because it's unknown. I will, however, suggest that the % of BioWare customers who are LGBT is probably much higher than the % of LGBT persons in the general population. BioWare's support of LGBT relationships and fans in their products is a very attractive feature, and I'd be shocked if it didn't translate to greater sales among the LGBT population. I think you might misunderstand my post. There are openly straight characters in Mass Effect games, so I simply ask for openly gay characters. There are plot-importance straight characters in ME games, and so I ask for the same for gay characters. Didn't you know? Admiral Hackett, Director Tann, Foster Addison, Morda - all gay, Anderson & Kaylee Sanders were both bi and so are Bradley and Capt. Dunn. Yeah, I'm kidding. Maybe. I'm not one to assume straight as the default for everyone, and in the case of couples (Anderson/Sanders, Bradley/Dunn), I don't assume their apparent sexuality is their actual sexuality, because I know it isn't always so. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and state that there have been plot important openly gay characters in ME: Steve Cortez and Samantha Traynor. I adore Cortez. Shepard had the privilege of helping him make a difficult transition from mourning his husband to realizing his life was still worth living, and became BFFs in the process (move over, Garrus). Not a squadmate, but the next best thing - as the shuttle pilot, he went on every single mission and had his share of heroic moments. Maybe more than his share, to the point where he nearly outshone Joker. Exceptionally talented, dedicated, loyal, hard-working - any male Shepard who was willing to be a little patient with him had the opportunity to end up with a phenomenal partner. Traynor also had quite a bit of content, an important role, and plot relevance in her recognition of the signals that led them to the Grissom rescue and finding Cerberus HQ. Liara had plot relevance starting in ME1, as did Kaidan. So - BTDT.
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Post by dhalion on Aug 6, 2017 2:13:12 GMT
I don't how what mannyray said was homophobic or making light of rape anyone care to explain? Go back and read the post where they refer to rape as "shared ecstasy." Read it real slow.
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dhalion welcome back to the mess that is BSN! I miss your last display name (and @lee80 's as well hehe). Anyways here's a complimentary bird video:
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 2:30:21 GMT
I don't how what mannyray said was homophobic or making light of rape anyone care to explain? Go back and read the post where they refer to rape as "shared ecstasy." Read it real slow. I didn't realize people couldn't take sarcasm. I also didn't realize that not thinking a story needs to revolve around a character's sexuality was homophobic or anti-gay. Basically I gave what I got to the posters involved and there's crying from people can't take what they dish out. As far as the topic at hand lost in all your triggered tears, let me use another issue to illustrate it. In ME:2 Jacob is black. No mistaking it. He's not a white dude with an olive complexion, he's not asian. He's black. Wesley Snipes black. If we apply the standard that those who are so upset at me are using for LGBT characters to Jacob, then he's a total failure and his portrayal is racist. Jacob's race is a non issue. He's a standup officer and combatant who in spite of working for Cerberus didn't lose his soul. If we apply the same desired standard BiJaal and the rest of the triggered want, Jacob is a failure as a black character because his loyalty mission does not revolve around his race. He's not sitting there with his pants down below his butt cheeks eating kfc going "man that's whack," and his race is not a topic of every conversation so that must mean black people are not being fairly represented. Can the triggered understand what I'm actually saying now without making baseless accusations of being anti-gay? Or is being childlike the standard for the LGBT gaming community and their most staunch advocates?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 6, 2017 2:40:28 GMT
There is a ton of people attacking BioWare because they catter to a very small minitory out of SJW reasons, I wonder if you grasp the idea as to why. I know exactly why. You clearly don't have the faintest clue.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 2:46:52 GMT
Oh well I am not going to respond to that. But I guess I need to reiterate again how I would love to see representation of gay characters happen. I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay. This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same. So seriously I am dumbfound where the claim that I would like a story "revolve around a character's sexuality" comes from.
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Post by caladrius on Aug 6, 2017 2:48:38 GMT
Go back and read the post where they refer to rape as "shared ecstasy." Read it real slow. I didn't realize people couldn't take sarcasm. I also didn't realize that not thinking a story needs to revolve around a character's sexuality was homophobic or anti-gay. Basically I gave what I got to the posters involved and there's crying from people can't take what they dish out. As far as the topic at hand lost in all your triggered tears, let me use another issue to illustrate it. In ME:2 Jacob is black. No mistaking it. He's not a white dude with an olive complexion, he's not asian. He's black. Wesley Snipes black. If we apply the standard that those who are so upset at me are using for LGBT characters to Jacob, then he's a total failure and his portrayal is racist. Jacob's race is a non issue. He's a standup officer and combatant who in spite of working for Cerberus didn't lose his soul. If we apply the same desired standard BiJaal and the rest of the triggered want, Jacob is a failure as a black character because his loyalty mission does not revolve around his race. He's not sitting there with his pants down below his butt cheeks eating kfc going "man that's whack," and his race is not a topic of every conversation so that must mean black people are not being fairly represented. Can the triggered understand what I'm actually saying now without making baseless accusations of being anti-gay? Or is being childlike the standard for the LGBT gaming community and their most staunch advocates? Jacob is a total failure of a character. If we applied the same standards to bi Jaal it would be just as bad as the black guy that potentially cheats on his girlfriend and knocks up a chick he barely knows, hmm. It's also rich hearing you call people "childish" while throwing your buzzwordy "triggered" shit in every sentence. Please try harder to wrangle an original thought instead of just repeating stale edgelord BS like your thoughts are somehow enlightened and revolutionary. Nobody has any trouble understanding your point, trust me. It's the same unoriginal shit we've all heard a thousand times. You're not special, kiddo.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 2:49:44 GMT
I didn't realize people couldn't take sarcasm. I also didn't realize that not thinking a story needs to revolve around a character's sexuality was homophobic or anti-gay. Basically I gave what I got to the posters involved and there's crying from people can't take what they dish out. As far as the topic at hand lost in all your triggered tears, let me use another issue to illustrate it. In ME:2 Jacob is black. No mistaking it. He's not a white dude with an olive complexion, he's not asian. He's black. Wesley Snipes black. If we apply the standard that those who are so upset at me are using for LGBT characters to Jacob, then he's a total failure and his portrayal is racist. Jacob's race is a non issue. He's a standup officer and combatant who in spite of working for Cerberus didn't lose his soul. If we apply the same desired standard BiJaal and the rest of the triggered want, Jacob is a failure as a black character because his loyalty mission does not revolve around his race. He's not sitting there with his pants down below his butt cheeks eating kfc going "man that's whack," and his race is not a topic of every conversation so that must mean black people are not being fairly represented. Can the triggered understand what I'm actually saying now without making baseless accusations of being anti-gay? Or is being childlike the standard for the LGBT gaming community and their most staunch advocates? Jacob is a total failure of a character. If we applied the same standards to bi Jaal it would be just as bad as the black guy that potentially cheats on his girlfriend and knocks up a chick he barely knows, hmm. It's also rich hearing you call people "childish" while throwing your buzzwordy "triggered" shit in every sentence. Please try harder to wrangle an original thought instead of just repeating stale edgelord BS like your thoughts are somehow enlightened and revolutionary. Nobody has any trouble understanding your point, trust me. It's the same unoriginal shit we've all heard a thousand times. You're not special, kiddo. Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not.
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Post by caladrius on Aug 6, 2017 2:52:55 GMT
Jacob is a total failure of a character. If we applied the same standards to bi Jaal it would be just as bad as the black guy that potentially cheats on his girlfriend and knocks up a chick he barely knows, hmm. It's also rich hearing you call people "childish" while throwing your buzzwordy "triggered" shit in every sentence. Please try harder to wrangle an original thought instead of just repeating stale edgelord BS like your thoughts are somehow enlightened and revolutionary. Nobody has any trouble understanding your point, trust me. It's the same unoriginal shit we've all heard a thousand times. You're not special, kiddo. Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not. Projection is such a sad last resort.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 3:01:18 GMT
Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not. Projection is such a sad last resort. Basically I got trolled, I gave what I got, the anti-gay card was played. Might have been an impressive little play for high school kids. Okay you win. the game is anti-gay because it doesn't revolve around the sexuality of all the characters. I've learned my lesson if someone is LGBT and can't take what they dish out it's too upsetting and I'm wrong. there ya go.
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Post by caladrius on Aug 6, 2017 3:08:40 GMT
Projection is such a sad last resort. Basically I got trolled, I gave what I got, the anti-gay card was played. Might have been an impressive little play for high school kids. Okay you win. the game is anti-gay because it doesn't revolve around the sexuality of all the characters. I've learned my lesson if someone is LGBT and can't take what they dish out it's too upsetting and I'm wrong. there ya go. Nobody is "too upset". You're just wrong. It's easier to believe people disagree with you because everyone else is super emotional and you're a paragon of rationality and logic, but really you just have no argument outside of alleging everyone else is "triggered" when you're the one that admitted you only escalated because other posters affected you.
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Post by dhalion on Aug 6, 2017 3:18:49 GMT
Projection is such a sad last resort. Basically I got trolled, I gave what I got, the anti-gay card was played. Might have been an impressive little play for high school kids. Okay you win. the game is anti-gay because it doesn't revolve around the sexuality of all the characters. I've learned my lesson if someone is LGBT and can't take what they dish out it's too upsetting and I'm wrong. there ya go. I don't know if you've realized this, but almost every gay person I've seen here on this forum specifically wants gay characters where their story DOESN'T revolve around their sexuality. Like, that is what people want. They want characters who just happen to be gay. It's all over this forum. It's one the main criticisms I see of Dorian. Do you even go here? Where are you getting this assumption from? lol
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 3:20:30 GMT
Basically I got trolled, I gave what I got, the anti-gay card was played. Might have been an impressive little play for high school kids. Okay you win. the game is anti-gay because it doesn't revolve around the sexuality of all the characters. I've learned my lesson if someone is LGBT and can't take what they dish out it's too upsetting and I'm wrong. there ya go. I don't know if you've realized this, but almost every gay person I've seen here on this forum specifically wants gay characters where their story DOESN'T revolve around their sexuality. Like, that is what people want. They want characters who just happen to be gay. It's all over this forum. It's one the main criticisms I see of Dorian. Do you even go here? Where are you getting this assumption from? lol If you've read the dialogue between me and some other posters in this thread over the last couple hours you wouldn't have asked that.
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Post by dhalion on Aug 6, 2017 3:29:01 GMT
I don't know if you've realized this, but almost every gay person I've seen here on this forum specifically wants gay characters where their story DOESN'T revolve around their sexuality. Like, that is what people want. They want characters who just happen to be gay. It's all over this forum. It's one the main criticisms I see of Dorian. Do you even go here? Where are you getting this assumption from? lol If you've read the dialogue between me and some other posters in this thread over the last couple hours you wouldn't have asked that. But yes, it is possible to have gay characters with stories and problems that don't revolve around the fact of being gay, which is an approach I would prefer. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. I'm ready for something really edgy-gay people just existing and succeeding at life.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 3:31:50 GMT
If you've read the dialogue between me and some other posters in this thread over the last couple hours you wouldn't have asked that. But yes, it is possible to have gay characters with stories and problems that don't revolve around the fact of being gay, which is an approach I would prefer. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. I'm ready for something really edgy-gay people just existing and succeeding at life. And of course you didn't cite any of the baiting dialogue anyone here had directly to my posts.
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Post by dhalion on Aug 6, 2017 3:36:11 GMT
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2017 3:39:26 GMT
He's not sitting there with his pants down below his butt cheeks eating kfc going "man that's whack," and his race is not a topic of every conversation so that must mean black people are not being fairly represented. By Grabthar's Hammer….what a sentence.
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