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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 3:45:57 GMT
And of course you didn't cite any of the baiting dialogue anyone here had directly to my posts. Probably just gave up after repeating themselves so they'd probably want to edge in the last laugh. Can't blame them.
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Post by caladrius on Aug 6, 2017 3:47:56 GMT
And of course you didn't cite any of the baiting dialogue anyone here had directly to my posts. Your inability to take in multiple points from multiple people because trolling gets you terribly flustered doesn't negate the fact that the point was made multiple times. What most LGBT people are asking for is quality representation. Gay characters with rich, complex stories and relevance to the plot, not hollow stereotypes or characters that just exist to be gay. The idea that what people want is just cardboard gays to say they exists is a strawman argument.
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Post by dhalion on Aug 6, 2017 3:55:19 GMT
And of course you didn't cite any of the baiting dialogue anyone here had directly to my posts. Haha, I am not going through 16 pages of this thread to look for your posts specifically, get over yourself. What would that matter anyway? You can't take in any information unless it's handed to you in a direct reply? You just ignore all the other posts? I quickly spent like 2 minutes scanning just the past 2 pages and found multiple posts that go directly against your weird idea of what people want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:05:39 GMT
Just wanted to say I really adore having dhalion and caladrius back! I'm honored to be quoted in this instance for sure too! Yes we have been asking constantly for ages for gay characters that are important well rounded characters where the fact that they are gay is the least important part of who they are. It's great for them to flirt openly with the male protag or have a husband or whatever that they talk about-but we don't want them to be like "My dad tried to stab me cause I'm too gay to function" "Blood magic the gay away" "Too gay to procreate!" Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. God I hope they don't use that one that isn't as inspiration for the next gay romance.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Aug 6, 2017 4:12:08 GMT
Just wanted to say I really adore having dhalion and caladrius back! I'm honored to be quoted in this instance for sure too! Yes we have been asking constantly for ages for gay characters that are important well rounded characters where the fact that they are gay is the least important part of who they are. It's great for them to flirt openly with the male protag or have a husband or whatever that they talk about-but we don't want them to be like "My dad tried to stab me cause I'm too gay to function" "Blood magic the gay away" "Too gay to procreate!" Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. God I hope they don't use that one that isn't as inspiration for the next gay romance. Well...if they do, we know who to blame. Not sure why wanting LGBT characters to be as well written as the rest is such a difficult concept to some people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:14:26 GMT
Just wanted to say I really adore having dhalion and caladrius back! I'm honored to be quoted in this instance for sure too! Yes we have been asking constantly for ages for gay characters that are important well rounded characters where the fact that they are gay is the least important part of who they are. It's great for them to flirt openly with the male protag or have a husband or whatever that they talk about-but we don't want them to be like "My dad tried to stab me cause I'm too gay to function" "Blood magic the gay away" "Too gay to procreate!" Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. God I hope they don't use that one that isn't as inspiration for the next gay romance. Well...if they do, we know who to blame. Not sure why wanting LGBT characters to be as well written as the rest is such a difficult concept to some people. Yep. It was me. I'm only human after all...
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 4:17:49 GMT
Just wanted to say I really adore having dhalion and caladrius back! I'm honored to be quoted in this instance for sure too! Yes we have been asking constantly for ages for gay characters that are important well rounded characters where the fact that they are gay is the least important part of who they are. It's great for them to flirt openly with the male protag or have a husband or whatever that they talk about-but we don't want them to be like "My dad tried to stab me cause I'm too gay to function" "Blood magic the gay away" "Too gay to procreate!" Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. God I hope they don't use that one that isn't as inspiration for the next gay romance. (I was undecided to meme this guy or the super Mac.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:23:50 GMT
LMAO! I apologize to all of my fellow gaymers that are going to be dating someone who was almost stabbed by their dad in an upcoming videy game by BioWare.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 6, 2017 4:28:59 GMT
LMAO! I apologize to all of my fellow gaymers that are going to be dating someone who was almost stabbed by their dad in an upcoming videy game by BioWare. as long I get stabbed by a werewolf in the best way possible I dont care if his dad is a BSN homophobe tbh but I'm biased also, quoting myself... I'm an another gay that dont want gayness to be the main concern about characters Oh yeah this is why I do not consider "Schrodinger sexuality" as a valid form of representation. I would love to see more gay characters that are in healthy relationships. Or bi characters that are in same-sex relationship as well. And then there are more broad questions of how to represent lgbt characters. How much should such character reveal about their sexuality? How much of their stories in a game should be related to their sexuality? Because gay people come in a variety similar to straight people, I would say that the same should go for representation. Some gay characters will not reveal their sexuality easily, but others will tell you very quickly (and some others are along the spectrum). Some characters are like Dorian, where his sexuality plays an important role. Some may not. This is why I always support more lgbt characters in general because there are more than one ways to represent them! My favorite gay LI that I have not yet seen is the one whose sexuality is very obvious (flirt with guys openly, talk about how he finds men attractive, had a boyfriend etc.) but him being gay is not the only thing about him and he is also relevant to a plot of a game. Give me this, Bioware!
The issue I have with Dorian or Gil is that I dont want real life issues with a character that I'm going to romance, I was really excited with Gil being a dad even if I didnt like his looks or not being a squadmate, but then Jill and his duty as man happened :poop: I dont care if we see some real life issues with non-romanceable characters, I mean why not, but with limit resources the character I'm going to romance and spend time with better be free of real life gay-angst... I have real life and this forum to see what homophobia is. Or maybe some analogy like mage vs templar in Anders romance, that was cool. Jaal romance is perfect and I want to see that with a KISA or a werewofie
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Post by Pearl on Aug 6, 2017 4:32:54 GMT
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fuck whoever or whatever you want to fuck as long as it consents opinions are like bowel movements, everyone has them and they're all shit don't get pissy over pointless shit like fictional characters don't assume that everyone is out to get you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:34:29 GMT
LMAO! I apologize to all of my fellow gaymers that are going to be dating someone who was almost stabbed by their dad in an upcoming videy game by BioWare. as long I get stabbed by a werewolf in the best way possible I dont care if his dad is a BSN homophobe tbh but I'm biased After I got Jaal finally, I feel like I got the perfect romance, so now all my hopes are for a gay werewolf for you Nick and Dirk too!
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2017 4:43:20 GMT
tl;dr fuck whoever or whatever you want to fuck as long as it consents opinions are like bowel movements, everyone has them and they're all shit don't get pissy over pointless shit like fictional characters don't assume that everyone is out to get you
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 6, 2017 5:17:31 GMT
Another friendly reminder Maybe for some people fictional characters are just pointless shit, but for others mean the entire world. And here comes some serious stuff, I know what homophobia means because I have lived it but I'm fortunate enough to have my family's support so I have always had my home to be safe. Others dont have that, and I read enough of stories of how these characters mean to them, and how literally these characters have saved their lifes in darkest times of their lifes. NO ONE should underestimate the power of escapism that these games have. And nobody should judge if caring too much for fictional characters is a pointless shit because no everyone is like you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Representation matters Also, I can get pissy for whatever the heck I want, that too :poop: Pim Pam toma Lacasitos
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Another friendly reminder Maybe for some people fictional characters are just pointless shit, but for others mean the entire world. And here comes some serious stuff, I know what homophobia means because I have lived it but I'm fortunate enough to have my family's support so I have always had my home to be safe. Others dont have that, and I read enough of stories of how these characters mean to them, and how literally these characters have saved their lifes in darkest times of their lifes. NO ONE should underestimate the power of escapism that these games have. And nobody should judge if caring too much for fictional characters is a pointless shit because no everyone is like you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Representation matters Also, I can get pissy for whatever the heck I want, that too :poop: Pim Pam toma Lacasitos I'll add to this. I was in a very dark place near the end of 2013 but a little something called final fantasy 14 pulled me out of that pit so I absolutely know the power video games can have on people.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 6, 2017 6:42:25 GMT
If I hadn't been asleep, I'd have dealt with some posts in the last few pages, but the discussion is so intertwined, I'd have to take 2-3 pages out, so I'm leaving it be. The thread seems to have calmed down again, but for the avoidance of doubt, stay classy, BSN... (There's no competition for 'who can be the edgiest'...)
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Post by warrior on Aug 6, 2017 6:47:11 GMT
Go back and read the post where they refer to rape as "shared ecstasy." Read it real slow. I didn't realize people couldn't take sarcasm. I also didn't realize that not thinking a story needs to revolve around a character's sexuality was homophobic or anti-gay. Basically I gave what I got to the posters involved and there's crying from people can't take what they dish out. As far as the topic at hand lost in all your triggered tears, let me use another issue to illustrate it. In ME:2 Jacob is black. No mistaking it. He's not a white dude with an olive complexion, he's not asian. He's black. Wesley Snipes black. If we apply the standard that those who are so upset at me are using for LGBT characters to Jacob, then he's a total failure and his portrayal is racist. Jacob's race is a non issue. He's a standup officer and combatant who in spite of working for Cerberus didn't lose his soul. If we apply the same desired standard BiJaal and the rest of the triggered want, Jacob is a failure as a black character because his loyalty mission does not revolve around his race. He's not sitting there with his pants down below his butt cheeks eating kfc going "man that's whack," and his race is not a topic of every conversation so that must mean black people are not being fairly represented. Can the triggered understand what I'm actually saying now without making baseless accusations of being anti-gay? Or is being childlike the standard for the LGBT gaming community and their most staunch advocates? LOL
Who here is "triggered"? Just because people call you on your shit doesn't mean they're "triggered." Try again.
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Post by warrior on Aug 6, 2017 7:02:08 GMT
There is indeed a tiny fandom for this ship... [Links removed to NSFW content due to ProBoards ToS. - SofaJockey]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 7:21:46 GMT
Another friendly reminder Maybe for some people fictional characters are just pointless shit, but for others mean the entire world. And here comes some serious stuff, I know what homophobia means because I have lived it but I'm fortunate enough to have my family's support so I have always had my home to be safe. Others dont have that, and I read enough of stories of how these characters mean to them, and how literally these characters have saved their lifes in darkest times of their lifes. NO ONE should underestimate the power of escapism that these games have. And nobody should judge if caring too much for fictional characters is a pointless shit because no everyone is like you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Representation matters Also, I can get pissy for whatever the heck I want, that too :poop: Pim Pam toma Lacasitos Also I guess it works for gaming too since you game longer than you read
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 6, 2017 9:04:02 GMT
Just wanted to say I really adore having dhalion and caladrius back! I'm honored to be quoted in this instance for sure too! Yes we have been asking constantly for ages for gay characters that are important well rounded characters where the fact that they are gay is the least important part of who they are. It's great for them to flirt openly with the male protag or have a husband or whatever that they talk about-but we don't want them to be like "My dad tried to stab me cause I'm too gay to function" "Blood magic the gay away" "Too gay to procreate!" Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. God I hope they don't use that one that isn't as inspiration for the next gay romance. (I was undecided to meme this guy or the super Mac.) Lee Ama Darav: Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. Casey Hudson: Hold my beer...
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 6, 2017 11:13:46 GMT
Another friendly reminder Maybe for some people fictional characters are just pointless shit, but for others mean the entire world. And here comes some serious stuff, I know what homophobia means because I have lived it but I'm fortunate enough to have my family's support so I have always had my home to be safe. Others dont have that, and I read enough of stories of how these characters mean to them, and how literally these characters have saved their lifes in darkest times of their lifes. NO ONE should underestimate the power of escapism that these games have. And nobody should judge if caring too much for fictional characters is a pointless shit because no everyone is like you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Representation matters Also, I can get pissy for whatever the heck I want, that too :poop: Pim Pam toma Lacasitos Also I guess it works for gaming too since you game longer than you read This is so true!!! I have a lot of characters in my heart but when it comes to LGBTQ growing up these undoubtedly! About my teen years, Willow and Tara Those characters mean a lot to me, and I just roll my eyes every time I read that fictional characters are just shallow fiction... WRONG. I wish I would have had this movie growing up the thought of a lot of LGBTQ kids watching this while growing up warms my heart
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 12:45:31 GMT
I wish I would have had this movie growing up the thought of a lot of LGBTQ kids watching this while growing up warms my heart It was only animated by two animators. The only thing they didn't work on was the sound and music. We kept being told that if we wanted to see more queer protagonists, we have to do it ourselves. In A Heartbeat was made by two LGBTQ animators, and it went viral.
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Post by Blue-Slates on Aug 6, 2017 12:50:54 GMT
Another friendly reminder Maybe for some people fictional characters are just pointless shit, but for others mean the entire world. And here comes some serious stuff, I know what homophobia means because I have lived it but I'm fortunate enough to have my family's support so I have always had my home to be safe. Others dont have that, and I read enough of stories of how these characters mean to them, and how literally these characters have saved their lifes in darkest times of their lifes. NO ONE should underestimate the power of escapism that these games have. And nobody should judge if caring too much for fictional characters is a pointless shit because no everyone is like you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Representation matters Also, I can get pissy for whatever the heck I want, that too :poop: Pim Pam toma Lacasitos Also I guess it works for gaming too since you game longer than you read So you're saying if I consume enough media with gay characters, I can become gayer? Sweet
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Aug 6, 2017 15:17:28 GMT
Oh well I guess that settles it. That's why sometimes I regret giving people benefits of doubt. Anyway, it is unfortunate that there are rarely any major lgbt characters in video games because of the assumption that they would make straight/cis people uncomfortable (how accurate the assumption is is debatable). This is why I praise Bioware for having major and plot-importance bi characters like Liara and Anders. I know it is a low risk or a baby-step move, but it is more than what most other AA publishers have done. But I would love to see Bioware go above and beyond this in DA4. At least I hope both Dorian and Maevaris play an important role in DA4. I doubt that either of them would be romanceable though. For the next ME:A game, I doubt Bioware will make either Gil or Avitus have more important role. I guess my hope is with Jaal, Reyes, and possible other characters whose sexuality is not identified yet. Yes, I am looking at you, Kandros and Evfra. Well most people liked Dorian including straight people, I think that yeah often the assumption is very over cautious and most people can relate to a well written character regardless of their identity. People used to think that games with female protagonists wouldn't sell, unless it was like a specifically sexualised character or there was an option to play as a male character. That assumption seems to have been proven mostly untrue by Horizon Zero Dawn's huge popularity and other games like the new Tomb Raider games. I'm still hoping Maevaris is a party member.
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Post by KalleDemos on Aug 6, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
The fuck is this mess???? No. Andromeda gets no points in this area. Lets have a little review, shall we? - Gay male romances are side characters with significantly less content, dialog, CC faces, etc.
- Vetra's writer had to fight for her to be bisexual.
- Excluding gay men from the main Squad was intentional.
- Jaal was only made bi after massive backlash.
- The two sidelined gay men don't acknowledge each others
existence if you cheat on them because promiscuous gay men don't care about that kind of thing. - I could go on.
Andromeda and most of it's team deserve absolutely NO praise concerning it's gay relationships. Along with the above points was the psycho torture gay ME fans went through pre-release. Many here in the forums can concur. The handling of this issue was just corrosive and now we have to deal with this shit: articles popping up raining undeserved praise when objectively Andromeda is little better(I vote worse) than ME3 in terms LGB romance and only because WE(gay peeps) forced the issue. This entire event demonstrates a deplorable attitude within the MEA team that in the year 2819 a Blue Space Babe and a Purple Squid Cobra Cat Man can eye fuck each other throughout space adventures but the gay still has to be stuffed into a nice little box on the side. I take it you were one of the people who harassed people like ladycounslor? You remind me of how they acted I have harassed no one. Thank you Hanako Ikezawa and Salty Drell for defending me while I was away.
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Post by KalleDemos on Aug 6, 2017 18:08:23 GMT
Also I guess it works for gaming too since you game longer than you read This is so true!!! I have a lot of characters in my heart but when it comes to LGBTQ growing up these undoubtedly! About my teen years, Willow and Tara Those characters mean a lot to me, and I just roll my eyes every time I read that fictional characters are just shallow fiction... WRONG. I wish I would have had this movie growing up the thought of a lot of LGBTQ kids watching this while growing up warms my heart Funny, when I was a kid I worshiped Sailor Moon and Sailor Neptune and Uranus became my insta faves when they showed up on screen for the first time. I watched the censored dubbed version where they referred to their close relationship as being "cousins". I had no idea they were gay back then but they still had an impact. The gay resonance is real. Now as an adult I can watch the uncensored original in it's full glory. I'm really glad that LGBT kids, in many places anyway, don't have to suffer through censorship and can readily find media that represents them.
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