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Post by bizantura on Aug 1, 2017 15:36:43 GMT
I've clocked a lot of hours in MEA, still do in fact. I'll suffice to say it isn't because of MEA character writing. It is appalling and the weakest Bioware has ever produced in a game. I can only hope this is as low as it can get.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 15:39:18 GMT
Read thread title, knew only one person on this forum has simultaneously the arrogance and the obliviousness to make this post. No. Because he has an opinion you don't like?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 15:41:07 GMT
There are people like that, who try to fulfil the silence, who try their asses to unite with people, to buddy with them, even if they are bad at it, even if they have a bad taste of humor, even if they dont know how to do this.
And yes, there are characters, that you "love to hate", there are characters, that you dont like and ok with it, and there are also as well characters that you just cant stand near. They are all different kinds of people. Nice try to justify his terrible dialogues and bad written jokes. Now always when a character has terrible dialogue, just say "Hey, there are people like that", LOL. They are only bad to you.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 1, 2017 15:47:44 GMT
Blimey didn't take long for the edge lords to arrive.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 15:49:37 GMT
That's a bold statement. Especially when it comes to characters. For me, just replaying DAI, the characters play in very different leagues with MEA being the junior one.Personally, I think the Dragon Age series generally outdoes the Mass Effect series including in regards to characters but that's just my personal opinion.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 1, 2017 15:51:28 GMT
Read thread title, knew only one person on this forum has simultaneously the arrogance and the obliviousness to make this post. No. Because he has an opinion you don't like? No. Because he makes an authoritative statement in his thread title as if it were an unassailable truth of nature. You do see the difference? A slight change would have eliminated my objection - "Why I feel the chars of MEA were blah blah blah". This is all opinion. Almost every praise thread colfoley makes has a title that is similar, and he handles argument better than that so I don't get it. It is silly.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 15:57:48 GMT
Because he has an opinion you don't like? No. Because he makes an authoritative statement in his thread title as if it were an unassailable truth of nature. You do see the difference? A slight change would have eliminated my objection - "Why I feel the chars of MEA were blah blah blah". This is all opinion. Almost every praise thread colfoley makes has a title that is similar, and he handles argument better than that so I don't get it. It is silly. I don't care too much about the title but it's content. As long as the poster writes a good argument than I don't have a problem.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 15:58:43 GMT
I liked Peebs a fuckton more than I liked Liara. I really enjoyed her character arc. I have never been particularly interested in the asari characters so I was surprised by how much I like PB barring certain moments. I might even romance her on my next playthrough. I agree about her character arc in comparison to Liara's character arc.
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 1, 2017 15:59:25 GMT
That's a bold statement. Especially when it comes to characters. For me, just replaying DAI, the characters play in very different leagues with MEA being the junior one.Personally, I think the Dragon Age series generally outdoes the Mass Effect series including in regards to characters but that's just my personal opinion. I think that's a more recent trend though. You'd be hardpressed to find people who thought that after ME2 and DA2 released
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 1, 2017 16:04:14 GMT
Nice try to justify his terrible dialogues and bad written jokes. Now always when a character has terrible dialogue, just say "Hey, there are people like that", LOL. They are only bad to you. Yeah, just for me, certainly everybody else finds Liam's lines to be quite awesome *chuckle*
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 16:05:35 GMT
They are only bad to you. Yeah, just for me, certainly everybody else finds Liam's lines to be quite awesome *chuckle* Well did you interview everyone who played the game about Liam's dialogue?
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Post by abaris on Aug 1, 2017 16:14:24 GMT
Personally, I think the Dragon Age series generally outdoes the Mass Effect series including in regards to characters but that's just my personal opinion. It's so obvious to me. I can spend an hour just moving from companion to companion at Skyhold to get their opinions and it never feels like a chore. As opposed to MEA where I thought, do I really have to talk to that character right now, quite frequently.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 16:38:18 GMT
I think that's a more recent trend though. You'd be hardpressed to find people who thought that after ME2 and DA2 releasedI did. I get what you're saying but I've always considered Dragon Age to have been better than Mass Effect in terms of quality between the two. Don't get me, I'm not saying that there's never any lapses in aspects of Dragon Age or that everything about Mass Effect is terrible: I just generally feel like there's more thought put into Dragon Age's writing and effort into its worldbuilding including its prominent races. At its best and worst, I consider Dragon Age to be better than Mass Effect at its best and worst. It's something I could have a longer post about but that would be for another thread least I derail this one.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 1, 2017 16:40:46 GMT
Yeah, I have that impression too. Particularly when it comes to setting stuff up for the future. Of course, that's a side effect of the ME devs just winging everything; can't foreshadow stuff when you have no idea what you're doing next.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 16:46:19 GMT
Yeah, I have that impression too. Particularly when it comes to setting stuff up for the future. Of course, that's a side effect of the ME devs just winging everything; can't foreshadow stuff when you have no idea what you're doing next. There's also the problem that the series dropped even things that were set up. Additionally, there was the inconsistent or indecisive portrayal of certain things like Cerberus or even aspects of prominent races like the asari. While I consider Mass Effect: Andromeda to be flawed, I do think the developers tried to take things to heart and better elements that were lacking in the previous games like a consistent course for the story with laid-out plotlines. Does it need improvement? Yes, but I still think it does some things better than the trilogy did and that the things that stand to be improved can be so in future installments. I think discarding the Andromeda story would be to throw out the champagne with the cork. Review the feedback, consider it and then refine what worked and improve what did not. As I see it, the DLC to Dragon Age: Inquisition showed the value in this method.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 1, 2017 16:48:13 GMT
Nice try to justify his terrible dialogues and bad written jokes. Now always when a character has terrible dialogue, just say "Hey, there are people like that", LOL. They are only bad to you. I love Liam. I know that guy. I've been that guy more than I'd care to admit.* He might not always be likeable, but he's very, very realistic and I love him to bits for it. He feels like one of the more 'natural' characters I've come across in a vidja game, foibles and all. *Also, there's a rumor my jokes aren't always funny, though of course it's bogus
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Post by shechinah on Aug 1, 2017 16:59:17 GMT
Femryder is a better character than Femshep. Ryder feels like a protagonist treated more consistently by the story than Shepard was although the true test of that would be in future games. I do think Ryder is a more set character but I can accept that for Ryder because Ryder has never been portrayed as anything but that. Basically, it's not a change that contradicts established characterization and player agency like what happened to Shepard in Mass Effect 3 and arguably, Mass Effect 2. I would have liked further control of Ryder and the addition of more renegade options but that is something that could be added in future installments should Ryder continue as the protagonist. As it is, I think Ryder has a decent start as a set protagonist. I also do adore that Ryder is allowed to be more interested in science and generally, more emotive.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 1, 2017 17:42:19 GMT
Yeah, ME2 introduces real problems for some Shepards. DA:A had a similar problem, but you don't have to play that with your Warden, or at all.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 1, 2017 17:59:12 GMT
Personally, I think the Dragon Age series generally outdoes the Mass Effect series including in regards to characters but that's just my personal opinion. I think that's a more recent trend though. You'd be hardpressed to find people who thought that after ME2 and DA2 released Eh, I'd say that even DA2's writing is overall stronger than most of Mass Effect. But then I'm squarely in the ME2-is-vastly-overrated crowd.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 1, 2017 18:00:46 GMT
But then I'm squarely in the ME2-is-vastly-overrated crowd. *high fives*
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 1, 2017 18:17:59 GMT
Yeah, just for me, certainly everybody else finds Liam's lines to be quite awesome *chuckle* Well did you interview everyone who played the game about Liam's dialogue? I assume you did the interview, since you are the one that affirmed that his dialogues are bad ONLY to me.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 18:19:08 GMT
Well did you interview everyone who played the game about Liam's dialogue? I assume you did the interview, since you are the one that affirmed that his dialogues are bad ONLY to me. And they are bad only to you. Speak for yourself and not to others since you don't know what they think.
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 1, 2017 18:27:36 GMT
I think that's a more recent trend though. You'd be hardpressed to find people who thought that after ME2 and DA2 released Eh, I'd say that even DA2's writing is overall stronger than most of Mass Effect. But then I'm squarely in the ME2-is-vastly-overrated crowd. I just can't agree. DA2 is a trainwreck on nearly every level. Maybe the character writing can be put next to ME's, but that would be it.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 1, 2017 18:36:07 GMT
I assume you did the interview, since you are the one that affirmed that his dialogues are bad ONLY to me. And they are bad only to you. Speak for yourself and not to others since you don't know what they think. Well, I also think the characters are bad and I have read a large number of similar, highly upvoted comments on reddit. anarchy65 is echoing the thoughts of many others. Also, we're posting in a thread titled " Why the Characters of Mass Effect Andromeda are well written." The OP tried to pass their own opinion as a factual statement. Yet, I don't see you calling them out or chastising them for it. Rather, you seem to agree with the OP. "And they are bad only to you" Clearly, a false statement.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 1, 2017 18:40:55 GMT
I assume you did the interview, since you are the one that affirmed that his dialogues are bad ONLY to me. And they are bad only to you. Speak for yourself and not to others since you don't know what they think. Did you interview every Mass Effect Andromeda player to know what they think about Liam's lines and dialogues?
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