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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 22:15:21 GMT
Starting with the first and trying to move through the 3 games in order or just diving in at the third one? (P.S. I'm not sure whether I can still find disks for the Xbox 360 of the first two games in the used games stores, but I'd be willing to give it an honest try to find some if you think starting from the beginning is the way to go.) Be aware that the combat for DA:O on the consoles is completely different to the combat for DA:O on the PCs. Some would say it's been gutted, some would say it's been destroyed to the point that the console DA:O experience cannot be called a true DA:O experience, but that doesn't really matter. The point is that it's different (the combat on the PC is fully "tactical" whereas the combat on the consoles was more action oriented ... but the action combat wasn't really well done, imo.) Origins is a great game, but I would never recommend it on consoles. Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately, playing on the PC is not an option for me. Hopefully, I can get through the combat if starting at the start will help be get into the story.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 16, 2017 15:33:01 GMT
Thank you for the very thoughtful and thought provoking response. I'll go looking for the full set on disc ASAP and give your suggestions a go. When you do, you should create a let's play thread on the DA board. phoray did this for her first ME:A run on the ME:A spoiler board, and we had a lot of fun with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 15:37:47 GMT
Thank you for the very thoughtful and thought provoking response. I'll go looking for the full set on disc ASAP and give your suggestions a go. When you do, you should create a let's play thread on the DA board. phoray did this for her first ME:A run on the ME:A spoiler board, and we had a lot of fun with it. I really appreciate what phoray does with the text Let's Plays. I don't think I'm cut out for that though simply because I generally take way too long to do a first playthrough of any game for people to stay interested. Thanks for the vote of confidence anyways.
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Post by aslightjump on Sept 17, 2017 1:58:57 GMT
I owned the console versions of DAO/DA2 before the PC versions and I gotta say, base game wise I didn't notice much difference on Normal in how they played. Especially if you abuse about four powers with a few passives thrown in and rely on your tactics for everything else. Like I do . The tac-cam on PC is leagues better, though...I'm not even sure I actually remember the console version having one. The real difference to me came from mods on PC. Took an already great game and made it fantastic. I am legit terrified though to mod MEA. I've heard some horror stories.
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Post by abaris on Sept 17, 2017 9:40:31 GMT
I am legit terrified though to mod MEA. I've heard some horror stories. The Frosty tool is that simple that a chimp could use it. I wouldn't know where these horror stories come from. Even more so, since if a mod doesn't work as intended, you just tick it off in Frosty and continue on.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Sept 17, 2017 18:16:20 GMT
I owned the console versions of DAO/DA2 before the PC versions and I gotta say, base game wise I didn't notice much difference on Normal in how they played. Especially if you abuse about four powers with a few passives thrown in and rely on your tactics for everything else. Like I do . The tac-cam on PC is leagues better, though...I'm not even sure I actually remember the console version having one. The real difference to me came from mods on PC. Took an already great game and made it fantastic. I am legit terrified though to mod MEA. I've heard some horror stories. I waited until we were told that there would be no more updates or any DLCs for MEA, to start modding MEA, but once I started, it's very easy to do. I downloaded the Frosty tool, watched a video about using it, followed directions for any mods I downloaded and have had no problems at all. I LOVE mods so am glad that I'm finally modding MEA...hope you try it and it goes as smoothly for you.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 18:28:17 GMT
I owned the console versions of DAO/DA2 before the PC versions and I gotta say, base game wise I didn't notice much difference on Normal in how they played. Especially if you abuse about four powers with a few passives thrown in and rely on your tactics for everything else. Like I do . The tac-cam on PC is leagues better, though...I'm not even sure I actually remember the console version having one. The real difference to me came from mods on PC. Took an already great game and made it fantastic. I am legit terrified though to mod MEA. I've heard some horror stories. I waited until we were told that there would be no more updates or any DLCs for MEA, to start modding MEA ,but once I started, it's very easy to do. I downloaded the Frosty tool, watched a video about using it, followed directions for any mods I downloaded and have had no problems at all. I LOVE mods so am glad that I'm finally modding MEA...hope you try it and it goes as smoothly for you. I started right away and it's ver simple. Nothing like modding the OT and if you've got Win 10? No modding the OT for you except for a very select few mods.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 17, 2017 19:22:25 GMT
Are MET modders being lazy, or does W10 break something really fundamental?
As for ME:A modding, I've never heard of anything really compelling. What am I missing?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 19:45:56 GMT
Are MET modders being lazy, or does W10 break something really fundamental? As for ME:A modding, I've never heard of anything really compelling. What am I missing? Anything needing texmod won't work. Texmod is literally broken thanks to Win 10. Trying to convert texmod using MEModder is hit and miss.
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Post by abaris on Sept 17, 2017 19:50:01 GMT
Nothing like modding the OT and if you've got Win 10? No modding the OT for you except for a very select few mods. News to me and my windows 10 PC. All the tools work.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 19:51:22 GMT
Nothing like modding the OT and if you've got Win 10? No modding the OT for you except for a very select few mods. News to me and my windows 10 PC. All the tools work. Really? Maybe it was just the mods I used, mostly outfits and skins on texmod. The rest was fine.
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Post by abaris on Sept 17, 2017 19:56:23 GMT
Really? Maybe it was just the mods I used, mostly outfits and skins on texmod. The rest was fine. I'm asking the obvious here. Do you rename texmod and the executable at every startup, in order for texmod to be adressed by the Origin client? (Alternatively you can also create a bat file doing the work for you). In the case of ME2 it has to look like this. echo OFF ECHO Run Mass Effect 2 with Texmod? SET /P X=(Y)es or (N)o? IF /I "%X%"=="Y" goto :Yes IF /I "%X%"=="N" goto :No GOTO END :Yes ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game.exe" "ME2Game_tmp.exe ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\Texmod.exe" "ME2Game.exe" ECHO Files renamed! Please start your Mass Effect 2 in Origin now. PAUSE ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game.exe" "Texmod.exe" ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game_tmp.exe" "ME2Game.exe" ECHO Filenames restored! Now you can start Mass Effect 2 with use of TexMod. PAUSE GOTO END :No "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game.exe" :END In the case of ME3 you just have to swap the ME2 executable with ME3s
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 19:58:25 GMT
Really? Maybe it was just the mods I used, mostly outfits and skins on texmod. The rest was fine. I'm asking the obvious here. Do you rename texmod and the executable at every startup, in order for texmod to be adressed by the Origin client? (Alternatively you can also create a bat file doing the work for you). In the case of ME2 it has to look like this. echo OFF ECHO Run Mass Effect 2 with Texmod? SET /P X=(Y)es or (N)o? IF /I "%X%"=="Y" goto :Yes IF /I "%X%"=="N" goto :No GOTO END :Yes ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game.exe" "ME2Game_tmp.exe ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\Texmod.exe" "ME2Game.exe" ECHO Files renamed! Please start your Mass Effect 2 in Origin now. PAUSE ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game.exe" "Texmod.exe" ren "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game_tmp.exe" "ME2Game.exe" ECHO Filenames restored! Now you can start Mass Effect 2 with use of TexMod. PAUSE GOTO END :No "C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\Mass Effect 2\Binaries\ME2Game.exe" :END In the case of ME3 you just have to swap the ME2 executable with ME3s I did. It could be that it was my system. I've been having some issues so it's getting looked at.
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Post by abaris on Sept 17, 2017 20:02:28 GMT
I did. It could be that it was my system. I've been having some issues so it's getting looked at. You also need the appropriate coalesced for the textures to work. Or to edit it, of course.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 20:28:35 GMT
I did. It could be that it was my system. I've been having some issues so it's getting looked at. You also need the appropriate coalesced for the textures to work. Or to edit it, of course. That could have been it too. I could have edited it wrong.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Sept 17, 2017 22:03:37 GMT
News to me and my windows 10 PC. All the tools work. Really? Maybe it was just the mods I used, mostly outfits and skins on texmod. The rest was fine. Wow, scared me to think ALL mods wouldn't work for the OT, on Win 10, but then I remembered I had played the OT with lots of mods, earlier this year, on Win 10. I didn't use any outfit or skins on texmod though so that may be why everything worked ok. I plan to play the OT again soon and want all my mods working.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 17, 2017 22:08:27 GMT
Really? Maybe it was just the mods I used, mostly outfits and skins on texmod. The rest was fine. Wow, scared me to think ALL mods wouldn't work for the OT, on Win 10, but then I remembered I had played the OT with lots of mods, earlier this year, on Win 10. I didn't use any outfit or skins on texmod though so that may be why everything worked ok. I plan to play the OT again soon and want all my mods working. Didn't mean to scare you lol. It simply could have been an error on my part or my pc itself.
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Post by aslightjump on Sept 17, 2017 22:28:46 GMT
I owned the console versions of DAO/DA2 before the PC versions and I gotta say, base game wise I didn't notice much difference on Normal in how they played. Especially if you abuse about four powers with a few passives thrown in and rely on your tactics for everything else. Like I do . The tac-cam on PC is leagues better, though...I'm not even sure I actually remember the console version having one. The real difference to me came from mods on PC. Took an already great game and made it fantastic. I am legit terrified though to mod MEA. I've heard some horror stories. I waited until we were told that there would be no more updates or any DLCs for MEA, to start modding MEA, but once I started, it's very easy to do. I downloaded the Frosty tool, watched a video about using it, followed directions for any mods I downloaded and have had no problems at all. I LOVE mods so am glad that I'm finally modding MEA...hope you try it and it goes as smoothly for you. Cool, thanks! I haven't tried modding it since several people on Tumblr talked about mods breaking their games in the earlier days, that and the mods I looked at last time I tried looking weren't that interesting, but I will give it a go nowadays.
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Post by kalasaurus on Sept 18, 2017 14:22:39 GMT
I liked MEA. It's not the best ME game IMO, but I think it did alright.
That said, I do prefer DAI. I can replay DAI multiple times, in fact I'm replaying it now. I've played MEA through twice so far. I felt that the characters, lore, story, and role-play potential were stronger in DAI. The fetch quests can feel like a chore in both, but going on the core elements, I think DAI wins.
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Post by zeypher on Sept 18, 2017 20:30:35 GMT
I am replaying DAI ATM and i personally feel that it is hands down a better game. It has its issues sure, but the overall level of quality is definitely higher than MEA. Besides the 3 skill slot system kill of any desire i might have of ever playing MEA again, unless a mod exists which addresses that particular issue. DAI has better writing, better companions, better crafting, better companion control and customization and much more. It is overall a better game and it annoys me that Bioware stated that they learned from DAI and put those lessons in MEA cause that was an outright bloody lie.
Whats worse is MEA gave them the perfect chance to allow us to play different races but it looks like they never even considered that and a new galaxy full of potential, they instead gave us bland and tripe bs lacking any originality to the game.
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Post by abaris on Sept 18, 2017 21:39:47 GMT
Cool, thanks! I haven't tried modding it since several people on Tumblr talked about mods breaking their games in the earlier days, that and the mods I looked at last time I tried looking weren't that interesting, but I will give it a go nowadays. Go to the nexus. It's really the best place to look for mods for any given game. They also have boards that are pretty helpful. I got a few good ones from there. www.nexusmods.com/games/?
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 18, 2017 22:30:40 GMT
It is overall a better game and it annoys me that Bioware stated that they learned from DAI and put those lessons in MEA cause that was an outright bloody lie. Except for the things which were improved. For instance, DAI has very few NPC interactions in the open-world areas, and was rightly criticized for that. ME:A substantially improves on this aspect. If they did consider it, they likely rejected it out of hand. You didn't really expect anything else, did you?
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Post by abaris on Sept 18, 2017 22:43:59 GMT
Except for the things which were improved. For instance, DAI has very few NPC interactions in the open-world areas, and was rightly criticized for that. ME:A substantially improves on this aspect. I didn't see any improvement. Not even slightly. I found the open worlds of DAI to be more lively than the ones of MEA. I also don't notice where there's meaningful interactions outside of handing out the usual generic quests. Tastes may differ, but I certainly didn't feel as if this was a substantial improvement.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 19, 2017 1:29:43 GMT
That there are more NPC conversation in ME:A's open-world areas, and that DAI was criticized for not having enough of those, are simply facts.
It is interesting that this didn't do anything for you, though. Any idea why?
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Sept 19, 2017 16:17:53 GMT
Not really, no. To me, both had similar strengths and weaknesses.
Strengths: Good options for shaping the Inquisitor and Ryder into the kinds of characters I wanted, reasonably sympathetic and likeable companions, and decent overall concept in terms of the story, the more unique of the sidequests, and the themes and character interactions that arose along the way.
Weaknesses: Too many repetitive "go find stuff" / "fight random enemies" sidequests, companions not quite as well-developed or unique as those in the previous games in the franchise, plot progresses in fits and starts without a whole lot of narrative momentum.
My impression of both is that there was probably a great 40-50 hour game somewhere in the 100 or so hours of gameplay and that Bioware needs to get off the "more and bigger" bandwagon if this is where it leads them. I have a slight preference for ME:A that, as much as anything, comes down to the fact that I like the Mass Effect universe and sci-fi in general more than I like Thedas and fantasy in general.
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