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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 23, 2017 16:57:52 GMT
Except it is the fans fault. Sure it wasn't perfect at launch it was "ok" then it became great. The issue is fans who didn't get their happy ending were determined to see it fail. Absolute load of shit.
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Post by ozzie on Aug 23, 2017 17:01:00 GMT
You can blame me, I don't mind. It was me, I did it. Just up and canceled the dlc. Called bioware and was all "hey, how about no dlc?" and they were all "sure why not?" MEA needed a project manager who would have said ""so let me play that first 10 hours you are going to release for free on Origins" and then would have come back the next day saying "give us 6 more months to polish this, believe me, it's going to be a good investment, because, you know, of how the internet works, everyone will know about the bad stuff in a day", and would have had the standing with EA to get the deadline postponed, and the money and the people necessary.
MEA didn't have that, instead it had a cutszene where Peebee fires her pistol backwards.
I imagine EA and Bioware managers looking at that and saying "do we really want to pay these people to do a DLC?". And I think they came up with the known answer before you called.
That was way past the point ME:A needed extra time. They needed to be given the extra time, perhaps a year or more when they lost their creative director and totally changed tac. ME:A's main problems were never the animations it was the story and writing being rushed to try to complete by deadline.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 23, 2017 17:06:13 GMT
Except it is the fans fault. Sure it wasn't perfect at launch it was "ok" then it became great. The issue is fans who didn't get their happy ending were determined to see it fail. Absolute load of shit.
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Post by abaris on Aug 23, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
Writing that book took time, and the decision to not have SP DLC was therefore made just as long ago as the decision to write and publish this book. That's not the next great American novel we're talking about. It takes time, but not as much as you might think with stuff like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 17:10:54 GMT
They're either a vocal minority (red) or the majority (blue)...choose
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 23, 2017 17:11:14 GMT
I'd say your self delusion is so huge it could be seen from space. Even from Andromeda, maybe.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 23, 2017 17:47:52 GMT
Except it is the fans fault. Sure it wasn't perfect at launch it was "ok" then it became great. The issue is fans who didn't get their happy ending were determined to see it fail. Absolute load of shit. I like to know what rational people use when they don't believe in fan accountability.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 23, 2017 18:24:17 GMT
I like to know what rational people use when they don't believe in fan accountability. The fans didn't make the game would be the winner.
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Post by MattMan031 on Aug 23, 2017 19:52:04 GMT
Since you like my gifs so much I'll leave you Sums up what I think about your fan fetish. Hurr durr
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 23, 2017 19:56:41 GMT
I like to know what rational people use when they don't believe in fan accountability. The fans didn't make the game would be the winner. How about that.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 23, 2017 20:13:45 GMT
I like to know what rational people use when they don't believe in fan accountability. The fans didn't make the game would be the winner. No they only resort to memes, hyoerbole, and spreading disinformation about the game.
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Post by MisterMr. on Aug 23, 2017 20:16:50 GMT
The fans aren't at fault and neither is EA; Bioware Montreal is. Once they decided to waste 3 years on turning Mass Effect into something it's not (a procedurally generated open world, ala No Man's Sky) they shot themselves and fans in the foot. They then spent the last 2 years (give or take) scrambling to put something together and hope brand recognition would carry it.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Aug 23, 2017 21:18:23 GMT
IMHO there's not really one person, group or instance to blame... Though I would generally argue that the game is "decent" albeit very disappointing, but not bad. EA made the mistake with having such strict deadlines, a delayed game remains better than a terrible game. Bioware made the mistake of trying to make Anthem AND Andromeda at the same time; clearly they didn't want to make another ME game and they should've never started ME:A at all, not send it to an inexperienced team instead. And the internet kinda blew up a bunch of the issues with the game when it first released. I wasn't able to play the game during the first months of release and while I watched the dumpster fire on the internet from a distance, I got the impression that ME:A was generally just an unplayable broken mess, even though it wasn't as bad as I thought. The gameplay, the graphics (aside from the animations) and the sound design was excellent. Also this weird obsession among developers about procedurally generated content should just die already. I really want to blame that. Anyone can tell the difference between procedurally generated content VS handcrafted, as the former lacks the depth and charm of the latter. --- The fans aren't at fault and neither is EA; Bioware Montreal is. Once they decided to waste 3 years on turning Mass Effect into something it's not (a procedurally generated open world, ala No Man's Sky) they shot themselves and fans in the foot. They then spent the last 2 years (give or take) scrambling to put something together and hope brand recognition would carry it. They actually wanted to go back to their roots, iirc. From what I've read, they wanted to re-do some of the things they dropped out of the ME franchise after ME1: the exploration, inventory system and more open class possibilities for example. They were dropped out before because they were the worst received in ME1 though, so honestly I don't see why they couldn't see the massive shitstorm coming.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 23, 2017 21:54:03 GMT
The fans didn't make the game would be the winner. No they only resort to memes, hyoerbole, and spreading disinformation about the game. So give them a reason not to do it, and even then, every game always has that one group that trolls. I can find memes for any game out there that mocks it. i keep seeing how this "minority" ruins games, and I think people give them way to much credit cause that responsibility goes to the actual fanbase, and it's not so much ruining it as it is just not accepting mediocrity. I then see this talk about internet media spreading "rumors, or misinformation" so you then claim people can't think for themselves If that's the case. Maybe I should blame the fans for Medal of Honor getting shut down, or why halo has gone to shit, guess the devs aren't held accountable and fans should just be happy blowing money, it is their own fualt I guess for not liking something hmm? I've seen diehard ME fans talk about this game and how it's different than the originals in a mixedway. ever heard of this game called infinite warfare? Nearly made the #1 spot for most disliked video ever and it was a game trailer. Guess how bad it did? Cause it did GREAT!!! Sold just like any other CoD game even with this "hate train" because in the end it was good enough to do so. That's an example of a game getting past the reception and simply doing its job. What would've happened if Andromeda surpassed ME3 or even became Biowares #1 game? Cause you wouldn't see this talk about it being the fanbases fualt cause the game would've been good to shut people up. Games speak for themselves good or bad, they don't need people making a case for it. It's mixed games that'll generate talk like this where as your great games have no drama to it and the bad ones will just be ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 22:05:53 GMT
No they only resort to memes, hyoerbole, and spreading disinformation about the game. So give them a reason not to do it, and even then, every game always has that one group that trolls. I can find memes for any game out there that mocks it. i keep seeing how this "minority" ruins games, and I think people give them way to much credit cause that responsibility goes to the actual fanbase, and it's not so much ruining it as it is just not accepting mediocrity. I then see this talk about internet media spreading "rumors, or misinformation" so you then claim people can't think for themselves If that's the case. Maybe I should blame the fans for Medal of Honor getting shut down, or why halo has gone to shit, guess the devs aren't held accountable and fans should just be happy blowing money, it is their own fualt I guess for not liking something hmm? I've seen diehard ME fans talk about this game and how it's different than the originals in a mixedway. ever heard of this game called infinite warfare? Nearly made the #1 spot for most disliked video ever and it was a game trailer. Guess how bad it did? Cause it did GREAT!!! Sold just like any other CoD game even with this "hate train" because in the end it was good enough to do so. That's an example of a game getting past the reception and simply doing its job. What would've happened if Andromeda surpassed ME3 or even became Biowares #1 game? Cause you wouldn't see this talk about it being the fanbases fualt cause the game would've been good to shut people up. Games speak for themselves good or bad, they don't need people making a case for it. It's mixed games that'll generate talk like this where as your great games have no drama to it and the bad ones will just be ignored. You don't even want to waste your time with this guy. He's not going to listen. ME3 absolutely destroys his argument. The ending generated so much more hate than ME:A could ever hope to accomplish in a lifetime even after the extended cut. As you probably well know it still had 3 more dlc come after it. ME:A has no excuse other than there wasn't enough profit that could be made to justify it's release due to its lukewarm reception.
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Post by river82 on Aug 23, 2017 23:36:02 GMT
the gameplay was excellent. It isn't. Nowhere near it, in fact.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2017 0:15:51 GMT
I think even if it did well with fans we still wouldnt see DLC.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 0:19:34 GMT
I believe the quest log flags the conversation as mandatory, even if it isn't. Nope. You can ignore Addison till after Eos and then the conversation doesn't come up. Only Tann is mandatory to get you started. I didn't say that the conversation really was mandatory, did I?
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Post by ozzie on Aug 24, 2017 0:22:27 GMT
the gameplay was excellent. It isn't. Nowhere near it, in fact. Come on, lets be fair as a generic 3rd person actions shooter it was pretty passable.... however as a tactical squad based action RPG it was atrocious. One command squad mates, no outfitting despite having enough weapons on the Tempest to kit out small PMC with custom built overcharged alien technology... hovering... bloody hovering out cover and not getting annihilated by a hail of bullets... and they say Ryder was young and inexperienced, tougher soldier than Shepard, stronger Biotic than Jack, better sniper than Garrus, all the while flying round like freaking Iron Man. Rule of cool I guess, but if I want a bad-ass cool 3rd person actions shooter I'll break out Max Payne thank you very much.
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Post by Blast Processor on Aug 24, 2017 0:25:55 GMT
The fans didn't make the game would be the winner. No they only resort to memes, hyoerbole, and spreading disinformation about the game. Welcome to the internet??? This is not something unique to BioWare or EA.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2017 0:30:38 GMT
I do blame the derpy internet meme loving hate brigade. They have had this franchise in their crosshairs for a very long time. You can see some of them in this very thread posting their idiotic memes. They hate the idea of a space opera RPG franchise existing in the first place. They were determined to hate anything this franchise did back when we were referring to it as ME Next on the old forums before we knew anything about MEA. Lol, so if Andromeda had 10/10 scores and the game was great and polished, these same people would come out of the woodwork to trash the game? Don't be silly. They'll probably blame on corrupt games journalism.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 24, 2017 1:04:23 GMT
the gameplay was excellent. It isn't. Nowhere near it, in fact. well, some people want bland pedestrian hallway shooter after bland pedestrian hallway shooter I guess.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Aug 24, 2017 1:16:58 GMT
Wow. If MEA partially failed because trolls and Youtube misanthropes kept putting up the same tired memes over and over again then the game probably deserved to fail to some extent. I mean, if the game couldn't get enough fans of it to counter the haters than maybe something was wrong with the game itself.
That, or the haters memes and jokes were just that funny.
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Post by zanephiri on Aug 24, 2017 1:47:22 GMT
I don't think there were any plans for DLC if I'm being honest. When I got that arc tease in game I thought they were setting up the sequel. Clearly they filled that arc with a lot of species they didn't have time to create for this game, due to the time crunch they were under at the end, and gave a quick 'oh btw that's why they're not here right now' explanation. The quarian ark DLC would have required so many new models, I just didn't see that happening, considering the low number of and lack of diversity in the alien races we get to see in me:a.
So what I'm saying is, I don't think you can blame the fans for the loss of the DLC because I don't feel the Quarian Ark was going to be DLC. I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't completely tie up the story for the ark in the upcoming novel either, but kept that open just in case they decide to return to the franchise in general (actually a standalone DLC where you could be the Quarian pathfinder would have been pretty cool). Not that I expect that to happen within the next 10 years but still.
Isn't it more likely that if any reaction to the game tanked the DLC plans, it would be the metacritic score? Isn't that what publishers take more seriously? The game is considered okay and enjoyable. But it doesn't live up to the expectations of its brand name, its studio or its contemporaries. That seems to be the consensus. I guess some people believe the critics (and I mean the ones being counted) aren't being fair to the game either? Is there even a reason to believe that? I mean usually what I hear is that professional critics are too kind when judging games but now they're too harsh?
A lot of people have already pointed out that other much more hated games did get support from their studios, and even Bioware's own hated games got support. I'm pretty sure this was just a case of 'we've sunk a lot of money and wasted time into this game already, let's just cut our losses, release it and try to get back as much as we can.'
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 24, 2017 13:59:32 GMT
Lol, so if Andromeda had 10/10 scores and the game was great and polished, these same people would come out of the woodwork to trash the game? Don't be silly. They'll probably blame on corrupt games journalism. Very likely.
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