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Post by shechinah on Aug 24, 2017 21:19:29 GMT
If you're referring to the whole "can't make white folks" thing, it's a matter of people wanting their own facts. If you want this line of dialogue to end, fair enough. I'll hold up my end if that's the case. As would I but I would like to note before I do that it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of facts: the fact is that you could make a white character as far back as early access.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 21:25:24 GMT
I did try. The presets I tried didn't have the option. Not all the presets had the option at the time. I'm not going to waste my time going through all of them when I'm excited to start what I expect is going to be an amazing Mass Effect game. I'm not sure which part of this you don't understand. I bought the game on sale before the patch with expanded customization hit. My first character was a white woman. Both standard Ryders are white. We're gonna have to get the fire department to dig you out of that hole you made for yourself if this keeps up. Not all presets could be made to appear white. I never said anything about the Ryders. You really like moving goalposts don't you. Just admit you're wrong and we can drop this. "See, Andromeda bases its character creation heavily around nine presets. These presets are what your father's appearance will be based off, as well as allowing you to customise your twin from the same set. The problem is, presumably to keep the Ryder family looking like a family, you're not allowed to stray far from the preset. The options for changing face shape, eye shape, eyebrow style, mouth style and nose style are now completely gone — you just have to pick the preset with the features you like best to begin with. You can also only adjust skin tone a few shades either way from the preset." www.kotaku.com.au/2017/03/mass-effect-andromedas-character-creator-is-a-bit-shit/And turns out you couldn't make pale/white characters in the trial. Which is the version I played. Maybe now you can drop this strange vendetta you have against me. Seeing as I am right. And you are wrong. "Lead designer Ian Frazier has commented on Twitter about the possibility that a pale skin option might be coming in the future to Mass Effect Andromeda. While he said the team at BioWare is indeed investigating about the chance of introducing deeper skin customization, there's not something like that included in the day one patch."
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 24, 2017 21:29:40 GMT
Since when is social justice a dirty term anyway? I remember when that was something to aspire to. What's wrong with people? As for Bioware, so what if they decide to cater more to the LGBTA (or whatever the current acronym is) crowd than other games? So what if they decide to represent races that aren't white? And so what if you couldn't create a white Ryder (if that was actually true, which it isn't)? It's their story, they can tell it how they like and people can either play it or not as they choose. It's not as if white straight people aren't well represented in games, TV or film. Snowflakes. We dont have that term in Spain, and believe me it's quite stupid and I roll my eyes every time I read it. Also, it's a term to hide behind homophobe, racist or sexist tendencies... :poop:
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Post by shechinah on Aug 24, 2017 21:33:27 GMT
I bought the game on sale before the patch with expanded customization hit. My first character was a white woman. Both standard Ryders are white. We're gonna have to get the fire department to dig you out of that hole you made for yourself if this keeps up. Not all presets could be made to appear white. I never said anything about the Ryders. You really like moving goalposts don't you. Just admit you're wrong and we can drop this. Actually, you are the one moving goalposts because that is not what you said. This is what you said in the beginning of the discussion: "Wouldn't have been as controversial if you could... make custom white characters at the game's release."
You may have meant to say not all presets but what you said was that you could not make custom white characters at launch.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 24, 2017 21:48:19 GMT
I have never seen a discussion go nowhere so quickly...
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 21:51:03 GMT
Not all presets could be made to appear white. I never said anything about the Ryders. You really like moving goalposts don't you. Just admit you're wrong and we can drop this. Actually, you are the one moving goalposts because that is not what you said. This is what you said in the beginning of the discussion: "Wouldn't have been as controversial if you could... make custom white characters at the game's release."
You may have meant to say not all presets but what you said was that you could not make custom white characters at launch. Well seeing as I only played the trial - that's what I meant by "release" - some of you are just so ever trigger-happy to jump over everything I post and twist it to suit your own narrative. I can't help that. There was clearly a lack of white skin options, Bioware admited as much, and then patched it back in.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 24, 2017 21:58:52 GMT
Wasn't picking on anyone. Been a long week on BSN...
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Post by sil on Aug 24, 2017 22:02:28 GMT
The original trilogy was pure pulp. Men's magazines scifi. Strippers, casual sex, hot outfits for the females. It all added to a big, exotic advanture out in the stars where anything seemed possible. ME:A didn't even have strippers. A ME game without a single asari stripper seemed wrong. I mean, that's half their culture isn't it?
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Post by shechinah on Aug 24, 2017 22:04:56 GMT
Well seeing as I only played the trial - that's what I meant by "release" - some of you are just so ever trigger-happy to jump over everything I post and twist it to suit your own narrative. I can't help that.There was clearly a lack of white skin options, Bioware admited as much, and then patched it back in. So jumping over everything you post and twisting it means addressing the argument exactly as you presented it and present a counterargument? You said "at release", not "in the trial version". You said "-if you could... make custom white characters-", not "Not all presets could be made to appear white." I've showed you through photographic evidence that you could, in fact, make white characters at launch and in the release version. You did not respond to my counterargument by attempting to clarify that you meant the other two things. Instead, you replied with "John Cena has a nice tan there."
You are the one who has misrepresented your arguments, not me.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 22:35:22 GMT
Well seeing as I only played the trial - that's what I meant by "release" - some of you are just so ever trigger-happy to jump over everything I post and twist it to suit your own narrative. I can't help that.There was clearly a lack of white skin options, Bioware admited as much, and then patched it back in. So jumping over everything you post and twisting it means addressing the argument exactly as you presented it and present a counterargument? You said "at release", not "in the trial version". You said "-if you could... make custom white characters-", not "Not all presets could be made to appear white." I've showed you through photographic evidence that you could, in fact, make white characters at launch and in the release version. You did not respond to my counterargument by attempting to clarify that you meant the other two things. Instead, you replied with "John Cena has a nice tan there."
You are the one who has misrepresented your arguments, not me. Nope. I was speaking from what I knew having played the trial. Which didn't even have white preset options. Everything I originally said is true of the trial version. Those characters you posted are not white skinned characters. You and the other guy assumed I meant the non-trial version. Just a misunderstanding on your part, is all. Being such huge fans of the game, I'm surprised you wouldn't have purchased the trial yourselves, and then my points would have been clear to you. John cena and his Latino gf do have nice tans though.
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Post by abaris on Aug 24, 2017 22:38:37 GMT
Nope. I was speaking from what I knew having played the trial. Which didn't even have white preset options. That in itself is a ridiculous ralkiing point that doesn't get any better by repetition. They didn't have white as in Nosferatu white, but the presets were white enough to create a white character.
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Post by Fogg on Aug 24, 2017 22:51:39 GMT
The original trilogy was pure pulp. Men's magazines scifi. Strippers, casual sex, hot outfits for the females. It all added to a big, exotic advanture out in the stars where anything seemed possible. ME:A didn't even have strippers. A ME game without a single asari stripper seemed wrong. I mean, that's half their culture isn't it? And it made no sense lorewise. Why wouldnt there be strippers on Kadara, to make money to pay Sloane and stay safe. The alternative is the poisonous badlands. Going too far with your sjw wish world hurts reality and how believable your worldbuilding is.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 22:52:14 GMT
Nope. I was speaking from what I knew having played the trial. Which didn't even have white preset options. That in itself is a ridiculous ralkiing point that doesn't get any better by repetition. They didn't have white as in Nosferatu white, but the presets were white enough to create a white character. If that was true, the lead devs wouldn't have had to say this: "Lead designer Ian Frazier has commented on Twitter about the possibility that a pale skin option might be coming in the future to Mass Effect Andromeda. While he said the team at BioWare is indeed investigating about the chance of introducing deeper skin customization, there's not something like that included in the day one patch." Your comment itself is pretty objectionable though, just imagine saying "the presets were black enough"
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 25, 2017 2:30:40 GMT
I only remember seeing two or three lines in the entire game that could be considered that, and they all could be avoided. As for the trans character Hainly Abrams I didn't think much of her either, sure she mentioned her name use to be Stephan, but I really didn't think much of that and originally I thought it was short for Stephanie or something. Frankly I think it was just outrage for the sake of outrage. Wouldn't have been as controversial if you could... make custom white characters at the game's release. And then there was good old Manveer. Eliminate those two mistakes (Manveer worked there for 7+ years!!), and things would be a lot less hostile. Absolutely. However, when a few of my patreons went down that SJW road... I listened. I really thought there was something there. Heir exasperated the situation and made terrible jokes. That's what it boiled down to for me. He was being an ass and BioWare stood by him instead of hitting the eject button. I'm so damn old and confused that I'm not sure whether to praise BioWare for showing loyalty to the end or angry for not addressing it and letting it fester. The malcontent was real, but it was also profitable for YouTube. Certain topics like BioWare can ignite the YouTube community for clicks. After 1.09 and listening to these UNOFFICIAL forums... I learned that SJW conspiracy is crap. We're talking .5 % of the game. If that. I don't know. I pulled that number out of the air. Anyway, take it from me. SJW conspiracy is the competition planting seeds of hate. That's all. They don't have to do that... all they have to do is open the web page to EA's Executive Board. That's the real enemy.
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Post by Guts on Aug 25, 2017 2:35:58 GMT
Wouldn't have been as controversial if you could... make custom white characters at the game's release. And then there was good old Manveer. Eliminate those two mistakes (Manveer worked there for 7+ years!!), and things would be a lot less hostile. Absolutely. However, when a few of my patreons went down that SJW road... I listened. I really thought there was something there. Heir exasperated the situation and made terrible jokes. That's what it boiled down to for me. He was being an ass and BioWare stood by him instead of hitting the eject button. I'm so damn old and confused that I'm not sure whether to praise BioWare for showing loyalty to the end or angry for not addressing it and letting it fester. The malcontent was real, but it was also profitable for YouTube. Certain topics like BioWare can ignite the YouTube community for clicks. After 1.09 and listening to these UNOFFICIAL forums... I learned that SJW conspiracy is crap. We're talking .5 % of the game. If that. I don't know. I pulled that number out of the air. Anyway, take it from me. SJW conspiracy is the competition planting seeds of hate. That's all. They don't have to do that... all they have to do is open the web page to EA's Executive Board. That's the real enemy. I think the amount of stuff that felt "SJW-ish" was more around .01%. EDIT: Just to add to this. DRINKING GAME! Every time a youtube commenter, metacritc user "Reviewer", or youtuber uses the word "SJW" or anything among those lines, take a shot!
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Post by Archangel on Aug 25, 2017 3:00:49 GMT
I'm blinded by the virtue signaling in this thread.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 25, 2017 3:03:13 GMT
Nope. I was speaking from what I knew having played the trial. Which didn't even have white preset options. That in itself is a ridiculous ralkiing point that doesn't get any better by repetition. They didn't have white as in Nosferatu white, but the presets were white enough to create a white character. I prefer sunburned for my realism.
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Post by yoritomotetsu on Aug 25, 2017 7:01:54 GMT
Anyone else remember when we used to just play video games because they were, you know, fun?
These days it's like every single thing that happens in gaming causes it to kick off between a section of hypersensitive liberals and the less-pleasant aspects of gamergate
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Post by sil on Aug 25, 2017 7:53:30 GMT
Anyone else remember when we used to just play video games because they were, you know, fun? These days it's like every single thing that happens in gaming causes it to kick off between a section of hypersensitive liberals and the less-pleasant aspects of gamergate To be honest, many of the people who are hypersensitive claim to be liberal but stand for controlling freedom of speech, expression and thought. Also many of them seem to feel that people are incapable of making an accidental mistake or that a mistake should define them forever. It's frightening. Also, yes, I remember when we used to play video games for fun, and discuss them and debate them for fun, without feeling the need to try and belittle each other or aggressively argue over every detail. The gaming community was more fun in the past.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 25, 2017 18:36:24 GMT
Anyone else remember when we used to just play video games because they were, you know, fun? These days it's like every single thing that happens in gaming causes it to kick off between a section of hypersensitive liberals and the less-pleasant aspects of gamergate To be honest, many of the people who are hypersensitive claim to be liberal but stand for controlling freedom of speech, expression and thought. Also many of them seem to feel that people are incapable of making an accidental mistake or that a mistake should define them forever. It's frightening. Also, yes, I remember when we used to play video games for fun, and discuss them and debate them for fun, without feeling the need to try and belittle each other or aggressively argue over every detail. The gaming community was more fun in the past. Gamers in general have devolved into savages that I often wonder how many of them would torture small animals if they could get away with it.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 25, 2017 21:01:00 GMT
Anyone else remember when we used to just play video games because they were, you know, fun? These days it's like every single thing that happens in gaming causes it to kick off between a section of hypersensitive liberals and the less-pleasant aspects of gamergate Games in the past, the marios, zeldas, sonics, etc - didn't try to shoehorn agendas into the game - the devs were just trying to make enjoyable games. That's why a game like TW3 didn't have to deal with any of this SJW backlash.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Aug 25, 2017 21:50:18 GMT
Anyone else remember when we used to just play video games because they were, you know, fun? These days it's like every single thing that happens in gaming causes it to kick off between a section of hypersensitive liberals and the less-pleasant aspects of gamergate Games in the past, the marios, zeldas, sonics, etc - didn't try to shoehorn agendas into the game - the devs were just trying to make enjoyable games. That's why a game like TW3 didn't have to deal with any of this SJW backlash. CDPR did put more progressive content into TW3, they just did it with finesse. And for the most part they didn't abandon their more hardcore material. Full frontal nudity was nixed though.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 25, 2017 22:08:52 GMT
Anyone else remember when we used to just play video games because they were, you know, fun? These days it's like every single thing that happens in gaming causes it to kick off between a section of hypersensitive liberals and the less-pleasant aspects of gamergate Games in the past, the marios, zeldas, sonics, etc - didn't try to shoehorn agendas into the game - the devs were just trying to make enjoyable games. That's why a game like TW3 didn't have to deal with any of this SJW backlash. It's only an "agenda" and "shoehorning" when it's people you don't like.
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 26, 2017 1:11:26 GMT
That in itself is a ridiculous ralkiing point that doesn't get any better by repetition. They didn't have white as in Nosferatu white, but the presets were white enough to create a white character. If that was true, the lead devs wouldn't have had to say this: "Lead designer Ian Frazier has commented on Twitter about the possibility that a pale skin option might be coming in the future to Mass Effect Andromeda. While he said the team at BioWare is indeed investigating about the chance of introducing deeper skin customization, there's not something like that included in the day one patch." Your comment itself is pretty objectionable though, just imagine saying "the presets were black enough" At launch the only options for a passable caucasian character were the default Scott/Sara, and Sara has that odd jaundiced tint to her. The closest the custom options could come was a rather swarthy Spaniard look. Several months after release they added the pale ginger option. There aren't any options in between. But we do have 9 variations of brown/black, so at least they got that covered.
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Post by Blast Processor on Aug 26, 2017 1:28:26 GMT
To be honest, many of the people who are hypersensitive claim to be liberal but stand for controlling freedom of speech, expression and thought. Also many of them seem to feel that people are incapable of making an accidental mistake or that a mistake should define them forever. It's frightening. Also, yes, I remember when we used to play video games for fun, and discuss them and debate them for fun, without feeling the need to try and belittle each other or aggressively argue over every detail. The gaming community was more fun in the past. Gamers in general have devolved into savages that I often wonder how many of them would torture small animals if they could get away with it.
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