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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 4:28:25 GMT
Why didn't any of the leaders on the Nexus mention this to Ryder at the beginning of the game? Once Ryder becomes Pathfinder, the narrative makes it seem like there hasn't been any place discovered to where humans and other MW species can live, thus giving more weight to the Ryder and the importance of Pathfinders. However, that is all discredited because there is ALREADY a functioning outpost/colony on Kadara. Yes, it is full of outlaws, but that isn't the point. The point is that there is already an established place where humans and other MW species can live.
In a sense, the narrative contradicts itself.
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Post by melbella on Sept 3, 2017 4:38:11 GMT
Sloane didn't establish Kadara Port. The angara did, who knows how long ago, and then it was taken over by the kett. Sloane and crew simply got rid of the kett....allegedly....and then claimed the port for their own.
As for why Nexus leadership didn't say anything: according to the security logs, they didn't know where she was despite sending out teams to search. Now, given Kesh had contact with the krogan still, and the krogan probably had run ins with the exiles, it's likely Kesh knew, or at least knew more than the rest. But what reason would she have for giving them up to Tann?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 4:40:53 GMT
Also, Kadara had escalating violence between the Outcasts and Collective, toxic water, and a Roekkar threat... to name a few problems.
Ryder needs to solve those problems before an Ai outpost can be safely established there.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 4:43:58 GMT
Prospects of integration into that population was definitely not in the cards, so it wouldn't have made a difference at that point. If the rest of the Initiative really wanted to establish a proper settlement there, it would likely be between submitting to Kelly's leadership, or basically using brute force in an attempt to oust her and anyone loyal to her, the former of which probably wouldn't have been practical even if Kelly agreed, and the latter would probably result in a bigger body count than anyone could afford.
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Post by goishen on Sept 3, 2017 4:59:30 GMT
In a sense, the narrative of this game does not go to great lengths to not trip over its own massive rhino dick and do a nose dive into underwhelming consequences.
In a sense, you're correct.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 5:14:00 GMT
I think ' working' is a massive overstatement. I mean the roof is caved in, the pipes in the kitchen burst, and the stove is emitting toxic fumes. But hey at least the end table is in one piece.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 5:15:26 GMT
Kadara is a mess. The Kett are still roaming around and the planet is hazardous.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 5:21:24 GMT
I think ' working' is a massive overstatement. I mean the roof is caved in, the pipes in the kitchen burst, and the stove is emitting toxic fumes. But hey at least the end table is in one piece. Well, that end table could help maintain at least some quality of life. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Sept 3, 2017 5:37:03 GMT
Sloane didn't establish Kadara Port. The angara did, who knows how long ago, and then it was taken over by the kett. Sloane and crew simply got rid of the kett....allegedly....and then claimed the port for their own. As for why Nexus leadership didn't say anything: according to the security logs, they didn't know where she was despite sending out teams to search. Now, given Kesh had contact with the krogan still, and the krogan probably had run ins with the exiles, it's likely Kesh knew, or at least knew more than the rest. But what reason would she have for giving them up to Tann? This. Tann and Addison didn't know where the exiles had gone or that Kadara Port even existed. That's why Ryder has to figure out the location of Kadara during the game. |
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Post by goishen on Sept 3, 2017 5:51:03 GMT
Sloane didn't establish Kadara Port. The angara did, who knows how long ago, and then it was taken over by the kett. Sloane and crew simply got rid of the kett....allegedly....and then claimed the port for their own. As for why Nexus leadership didn't say anything: according to the security logs, they didn't know where she was despite sending out teams to search. Now, given Kesh had contact with the krogan still, and the krogan probably had run ins with the exiles, it's likely Kesh knew, or at least knew more than the rest. But what reason would she have for giving them up to Tann? This. Tann and Addison didn't know where the exiles had gone or that Kadara Port even existed. That's why Ryder has to figure out the location of Kadara during the game. Hah. Like Ryder figured out anything in the game. It was all SAM. If SAM had a body then he could've finished this game without us. |
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 5:53:43 GMT
This. Tann and Addison didn't know where the exiles had gone or that Kadara Port even existed. That's why Ryder has to figure out the location of Kadara during the game. Hah. Like Ryder figured out anything in the game. It was all SAM. If SAM had a body then he could've finished this game without us. It was Ryder and SAM. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 6:19:53 GMT
Not this again...
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 6:43:17 GMT
This. Tann and Addison didn't know where the exiles had gone or that Kadara Port even existed. That's why Ryder has to figure out the location of Kadara during the game. Hah. Like Ryder figured out anything in the game. It was all SAM. If SAM had a body then he could've finished this game without us. SAM read lips on a video, but Efvra pointed out Kadara's actual location. |
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Post by krighaur on Sept 3, 2017 7:09:44 GMT
To OP, in case this one fail ... which seems to be the case ... you can point the fact that there was another outpost at Elaaden ... in case it also fail, you can point that Kesh knows that there is a Krogan colony, and people who work for Kesh (Vetra for example) trade with people from Elaaden, Kadara and probably Veold. So in case you didn't play far enough to discover that, you have now many flaws to point at .. no need to thank me, happy to help  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 3, 2017 7:25:00 GMT
No it doesn't. The narrative and the leaders say that the Golden Worlds are a bust and that all their previous attempts to create a colony failed thus why they need a Pathfinder. Both of those things are true. The Golden Worlds are a bust, being practically uninhabitable at all and definitely not suitable for the level of colonization planned, and all the previous attempts to create colonies by the Nexus have failed. The only reason Kadara works is because of the angaran water filtration system, but the Nexus didn't even know about the angara.
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Post by Serza on Sept 3, 2017 16:25:32 GMT
Because as soon as you get to the Nexus, you can see a note from Kandros that says they have NO CLUE where Sloane is.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 3, 2017 16:36:03 GMT
I think ' working' is a massive overstatement. I mean the roof is caved in, the pipes in the kitchen burst, and the stove is emitting toxic fumes. But hey at least the end table is in one piece. Still way better than Eos... |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 3, 2017 16:38:33 GMT
Lack of understanding of the narrative isn't the narratives fault, OP. I think those who played the game and payed attention have done a pretty good job refuting the premise of the original post.
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 16:55:02 GMT
Yes, Kadara is the crater on Andromeda's narrative. Kadara is self-sufficient and self-sustaining. They're eating, drinking, living, including people in the outskirts. It has regular trade with other areas and neither the Kett or Angara actively threaten it. Drack and Vetra know about it and I imagine more people connected to the AI knew about it.
Kadara is a successful Milker colony. The game ended there.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 3, 2017 17:00:32 GMT
Yes, Kadara is the crater on Andromeda's narrative. Kadara is self-sufficient and self-sustaining. They're eating, drinking, living, including people in the outskirts. It has regular trade with other areas and neither the Kett or Angara actively threaten it. Drack and Vetra know about it and I imagine more people connected to the AI knew about it. Kadara is a successful Milker colony. The game ended there. But not when you consider they need somewhere for the other 350,000 AI members still in stasis... |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 3, 2017 17:04:36 GMT
I just don't understand the viewpoint of the detractors here. Do you think the Initiative's goal was to go to Andromeda and set up a few outposts of like 5,000 people? The brought at least 400,000 people with them, guys. Sloane making it work on Kedara is meaningless to the Initiative's goal. Hooray! A small town can exist! Must be habitable for the whole Initiative! With that logic, if I can go camping in Death Valley for a bit, it must be about to comfortably sustain a small town! That's not how things work, guys.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 3, 2017 17:36:00 GMT
In a sense, the narrative of this game does not go to great lengths to not trip over its own massive rhino dick and do a nose dive into underwhelming consequences. In a sense, you're correct. Pretty much. It's a subcase of a more general issue. Once the Eos Vault is activated, does the AI really need any other worlds? OK, Eos is still only marginally inhabitable, but they only need to find space for 100,000 people. maximusarael020: you are confused about the count. 100,000 is the total population of the first four arks and the Nexus (20,000 each). |
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Post by Serza on Sept 3, 2017 17:38:31 GMT
Yes, Kadara is the crater on Andromeda's narrative. Kadara is self-sufficient and self-sustaining. They're eating, drinking, living, including people in the outskirts. It has regular trade with other areas and neither the Kett or Angara actively threaten it. Drack and Vetra know about it and I imagine more people connected to the AI knew about it. Kadara is a successful Milker colony. The game ended there. Ah. I see there is a minor misunderstanding. Allow me to put it in words you will more easily understand. Pay more attention. |
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 17:46:16 GMT
But not when you consider they need somewhere for the other 350,000 AI members still in stasis... I just don't understand the viewpoint of the detractors here. Do you think the Initiative's goal was to go to Andromeda and set up a few outposts of like 5,000 people? The brought at least 400,000 people with them, guys. Sloane making it work on Kedara is meaningless to the Initiative's goal. Hooray! A small town can exist! Must be habitable for the whole Initiative! With that logic, if I can go camping in Death Valley for a bit, it must be about to comfortably sustain a small town! That's not how things work, guys. 350 000? 400 000? Where do these numbers come from? Wasn't it about 100 000 that went to Andromeda? Each ship has about 20 000. I believe the Nexus has about 20 000. Of course if I add quarian ship, then the number would be about 120 000. |
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