So if Sloan Kelly established a working outpost on Kadara....

The fact Ryder sees a planet with a breathable atmosphere should be obvious motivation enough.

people expect kadara to make sense population wise when it's written by the same bioware that wrote cerberus in me3? can't relate

Would the lot of you play nice?

I'm running low on sarcasm here.

I should have been more precise. I was talking about the particular hoops Ryder has to jump through in order to settle Kadara. The connection between the required action and the desired result isn't made anywhere but the journal.

Yeah, I know SAM's message about the murder is trying to get you on track. The whole argument is that the game's way of establishing that a track exists in the first place was lousy.

As for journals, honestly, I'm starting to think that they should just be abolished. But I'd settle for getting rid of quest markers.

I don't remember Star Control being that difficult, but it's been years since I played it. Isn't exploring to find stuff supposed to be the gameplay?

My problem with journals is that they end up being a crutch lately. Instead of putting the information about what you should do in the game proper, it mysteriously shows up in the journal from nowhere.

It can be done right. In Morrowind you'll get a quest like this:



And then it's your job to find the place and get in. You don't have to write that conversation down since it's in the journal, but that's all the info you get. Of course, that's one of the easy ones.

They dropped that as early as Oblivion. Far as I remember, Oblivion already had markers.

Yes. Journal and Codex are both written by SAM, thus in-character for the most part.

...which is actually superior to Witcher 3's Dandelion-codex. Where it leads you to think the entire story is Dandelion bullshitting someone and Perun only knows what of it is true.

Instead, Andromeda's codex is your Simulated Adaptive Matrix giving you info and possibly suggestions/recap of the story your character actually lives. Unlike Dandelion's bullshitting, you KNOW Andromeda really happened in the universe THE WAY YOU SEE IT. No doubt involved.

So why is SAM telling me to solve that murder? (Besides him getting the memo from the game designers, that is.)

Come to think of it, what happens if you haven't accepted that mission before it becomes path-critical?

Edit: got lucky on the second vid I looked at. After getting the transponder, Kallo, of all people, radios Ryder and tells him that there's been a murder in Kadara Port, Ryder says it might be worth looking into, and Kallo snarks "Lovely planet; hope we never leave," or something close.

I'm not fiercely opposed to this kind of design -- sometimes it's the only feasible way to bolt a narrative together -- but the presentation is shoddy.

Same....keep those quest markers, even if some of them don't function properly ( you go to a marker then it vanishes to the next spot in the middle of some mountain that is hard to figure out exactly where it is.... ).....but yeah, i'm not a fan of trying to figure out where stuff is for hours on end then get a sense of satisfaction when i do find it.....nope.... that s**t takes me out of the game and artificially extends the gameplay.

Is it hand-holding?...i don't think so...show me where i need to go then let the quest/story unfold from there.....i'am done with hard-a$$ obscure puzzles that i experienced in the old Resident Evil Tomb Raider 3 days....especially Tomb Raider 3...that game had puzzles that would make you jump out the window.


I have no issues with games being easier as far as game and story flows.......i'm not trying to sit in an open world game with no markers sitting around for an hour figuring out where to go next. (not really a fan of open world, but if i play them, they gotta be functional).