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Post by krighaur on Sept 4, 2017 17:12:29 GMT
ME: A is not critically panned. Ok so it was critcally praised. It was the most well recieved Bioware game ever made with review scores to back it up. /s Why are you always in the extreme, as if you were a pendulum? Saying MEA was not critically panned doesn't mean MEA was critically praised.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 4, 2017 17:16:21 GMT
ME: A is not critically panned. Ok so it was critcally praised. It was the most well recieved Bioware game ever made with review scores to back it up. In fact, I expect it to win a number of GOTY awards like all the other past Bioware successful games. /s I never even said that.
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Post by traks on Sept 4, 2017 17:21:00 GMT
OP, I think you bring the wrong example (because Sloane Kelly didn't establish anything, she overtook an existing port; and the Pathfinder's search for Meridian to control the terraforming network is surely needed for long-term success) but I think I know what you want to criticize: with the exception of Khi Tasira, Meridian (many together is also not optimal), Havarl and Aya it is awfully strange that the Pathfinder in its role is never the first Initiative member to set its foot on a planet.
Eos/Eladaan/Kadara/H047c have all already seen Milky Way people. Both races introduced knew about the Initiative before meeting Ryder. So no first contact (other than on a personal level) and in the side-story of finding habitable planets the Pathfinder seems to be always late, when that would've seemingly been the chance to explore the unknown. So even though the OP worded it differently and had the wrong example, I agree that the role of the Pathfinder "finding stuff" isn't presented well and should be highly improved in a sequel - if we see one. Being the first to discover new planets/lifeforms/races is something special and should happen more often in the Pathfinder role. But that should be easy to implement in MEA2.
Let the Initiative build on the outposts already established and we go off into the unknown of the Andromeda galaxy.
Edit: forgot about the Turians on Havarl, so we can even scratch that planet from the list.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 4, 2017 17:22:16 GMT
ME: A is not critically panned. Ok so it was critcally praised. It was the most well recieved Bioware game ever made with review scores to back it up. In fact, I expect it to win a number of GOTY awards like all the other past Bioware successful games. /s When you've been called out for overblown rhetoric, I'm not sure more hyperbole is the answer.
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Post by krighaur on Sept 4, 2017 17:28:17 GMT
OP, I think you bring the wrong example (because Sloane Kelly didn't establish anything, she overtook an existing port; and the Pathfinder's search for Meridian to control the terraforming network is surely needed for long-term success) but I think I know what you want to criticize: with the exception of Khi Tasira, Meridian (many together is also not optimal), Havarl and Aya it is awfully strange that the Pathfinder in its role is never the first Initiative member to set its foot on a planet. Eos/Eladaan/Kadara/H047c have all already seen Milky Way people. Both races introduced knew about the Initiative before meeting Ryder. So no first contact (other than on a personal level) and in the side-story of finding habitable planets the Pathfinder seems to be always late, when that would've seemingly been the chance to explore the unknown. So even though the OP worded it differently and had the wrong example, I agree that the role of the Pathfinder "finding stuff" isn't presented well and should be highly improved in a sequel - if we see one. Being the first to discover new planets/lifeforms/races is something special and should happen more often in the Pathfinder role. But that should be easy to implement in MEA2. Let the Initiative build on the outposts already established and we go off into the unknown of the Andromeda galaxy. I agree, with this point of view. The "finding role" of the Pathfinder is not it's main role. It's perhaps what was planned with some of the many systems in the sector. Who knows?
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 17:33:45 GMT
Ok so it was critcally praised. It was the most well recieved Bioware game ever made with review scores to back it up. In fact, I expect it to win a number of GOTY awards like all the other past Bioware successful games. /s When you've been called out for overblown rhetoric, I'm not sure more hyperbole is the answer. MEA being the lowest reviewed Bioware game is not hyperbole. Even ardent Bioware fangirl GamerMD83 admits that MEA was not an enjoyable game:
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Post by melbella on Sept 4, 2017 17:36:52 GMT
Why do people assume opinion = fact? Just because one person didn't like a game, doesn't mean other people didn't. There's no such thing as a perfect game because no game is ever going to be 100% loved in all aspects by everyone who plays it. Why would MEA be any different?
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Post by traks on Sept 4, 2017 17:52:11 GMT
When you've been called out for overblown rhetoric, I'm not sure more hyperbole is the answer. MEA being the lowest reviewed Bioware game is not hyperbole. Even ardent Bioware fangirl GamerMD83 admits that MEA was not an enjoyable game: 71-76 on average from the critics (and 72 on average by 647 of us in the BSN review thread) is not equal to "panned" though. It's not as good as a ME game should be, but not panned. And yes, GamerMD didn't enjoy it - as you didn't - but GamerMD doesn't try to convince others that only her opinion is right. She just sincerely voiced her disappointment (especially with the tone in writing and the characters), which I can totally understand. Worth watching, but not put in the right context here. A thought to these vids: BioWare knows GamerMd, so they probably will listen to/watch her opinion, which is a good thing, because the writing tone is really one of the biggest problems. If that gets through to BioWare, that's a plus.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 4, 2017 17:54:26 GMT
Even if Gamermd didn't enjoy I believe she won't shove that opinion down the throats of people who did enjoy it.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 17:55:58 GMT
You can't just say words and think it makes them true. Your point got DEMOLISHED by facts from people who know the game. Hilariously, irrefutable crushed. You might as well have said "Thanks, everyone, for making me King of the world and God-emperor to Mordor and the Seven Kingdoms" and it would be as true as your "thanks for strengthening my points." And you people say MEA fans are in denial. 😂 A critically panned game with the lowest review scores for ANY Bioware game and the first Bioware game since ME1 to not get SP DLC...What is there to be in denial about? Most people have came to accept that MEA was a failure, and to cut their losses, EA shifted focus to Anthem and pulled the plug on MEA. Only here at BSN are people twisting themselves into a pretzel to somehow create a narrative that MEA was not a failure but just some victim to Anthem and EA planning from the very brginning to forgo dlc and move all resources to Anthem. In short, accepting that MEA failed is too big of a pill for people to swallow so they create some tinfoil narrative that has MEA as not failing and only a victim of EA, not the fans/quality. I think this was meant for a different thread. This thread has nothing to do with Anthem or MEA's review scores. This thread was about the incorrect assumption that Sloane Kelly's working Kedara Outpost mean the narrative of the Initiative was incorrect. Since many posters here proved that those assumptions were fundamentally incorrect and the premise of the arguments were based on a ludicrous misunderstanding of the facts of the game, any assumption that they were "strengthening" someone's points in opposition to those facts is hilarious. I'm still confused as to what your response to my post has anything to do with the subject at hand. Is it just the denial part at the end? In that case, your response is way over the top for an ending quip about a different poster, but please, continue to regurgitate your narrative where it has no place.
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Post by Serza on Sept 4, 2017 17:58:37 GMT
My, my... Are we not done here?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 17:59:41 GMT
majesticjazz Don't try to derail your thread to discussing the reception of MEA just because your original post's argument got so ridiculously rebutted by members of the community. It's ok to be wrong. I've even been wrong before. In this instance, you were running out of things to shit on MEA about, scraped way down to the bottom of the barrel for something, anything to keep you relevant, and came up entirely lacking. It's fine. It happens to some of the best. But there's no need to try to distract everyone from your abject failure of an original post premise.
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Post by haolyn on Sept 4, 2017 18:05:19 GMT
Thank you everyone for strengthening my points. The writers were lazy and unimaginative. The game "ends" when the player arrives at Kadara but stupidly continues to the ready-made planet Meridian where the conveniently placed vault master switch is located. Kadara and other settled planets are proof that the AI and the pathfinder are useless and incompetent. They would have died off if the writers had not given them conveniently contrived vaults. I have read better stories in classified ads. wow i thought you were actually someone worth having a discussion with. guess not
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 18:06:26 GMT
MEA being the lowest reviewed Bioware game is not hyperbole. Even ardent Bioware fangirl GamerMD83 admits that MEA was not an enjoyable game: 71-76 on average from the critics (and 72 on average by 647 of us in the BSN review thread) is not equal to "panned" though. It's not as good as a ME game should be, but not panned. And yes, GamerMD didn't enjoy it - as you didn't - but GamerMD doesn't try to convince others that only her opinion is right. She just sincerely voiced her disappointment (especially with the tone in writing and the characters), which I can totally understand. Worth watching, but not put in the right context here. A thought to these vids: BioWare knows GamerMd, so they probably will listen to/watch her opinion, which is a good thing, because the writing tone is really one of the biggest problems. If that gets through to BioWare, that's a plus. But the low review average is something to raise alarm. You can try all you want but you cannot spin the low review average for MEA as something that is normal and shouldn't cause concern for EA and Bioware. Its one thing if the MET also had similar scores, but that isnt the case. Also, the MET also was nominated and won many post release awards, even DAI, the most recent game from Bioware won many awards and had high review scores. It will be interesting to see how many post release nominations MEA gets. Finally, yes, GamerMD83 is just one person and yes, she doesnt try to sway people. But my point in showing her videos is to show a narrative that MEA turned off not just rabid haters who only wants to see Bioware fail, but even some of their strongest supporters just did not enjoy MEA, despite being a raging fan of the MET. MEA was not on par with MET quality.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Sept 4, 2017 18:13:39 GMT
71-76 on average from the critics (and 72 on average by 647 of us in the BSN review thread) is not equal to "panned" though. It's not as good as a ME game should be, but not panned. And yes, GamerMD didn't enjoy it - as you didn't - but GamerMD doesn't try to convince others that only her opinion is right. She just sincerely voiced her disappointment (especially with the tone in writing and the characters), which I can totally understand. Worth watching, but not put in the right context here. A thought to these vids: BioWare knows GamerMd, so they probably will listen to/watch her opinion, which is a good thing, because the writing tone is really one of the biggest problems. If that gets through to BioWare, that's a plus. But the low review average is something to raise alarm. You can try all you want but you cannot spin the low review average for MEA as something that is normal and shouldn't cause concern for EA and Bioware. Its one thing if the MET also had similar scores, but that isnt the case. Also, the MET also was nominated and won many post release awards, even DAI, the most recent game from Bioware won many awards and had high review scores. It will be interesting to see how many post release nominations MEA gets. Finally, yes, GamerMD83 is just one person and yes, she doesnt try to sway people. But my point in showing her videos is to show a narrative that MEA turned off not just rabid haters who only wants to see Bioware fail, but even some of their strongest supporters just did not enjoy MEA, despite being a raging fan of the MET. MEA was not on par with MET quality. Cool story bro! Now what does that have to do with Sloane and Kadara?
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 18:20:41 GMT
But the low review average is something to raise alarm. You can try all you want but you cannot spin the low review average for MEA as something that is normal and shouldn't cause concern for EA and Bioware. Its one thing if the MET also had similar scores, but that isnt the case. Also, the MET also was nominated and won many post release awards, even DAI, the most recent game from Bioware won many awards and had high review scores. It will be interesting to see how many post release nominations MEA gets. Finally, yes, GamerMD83 is just one person and yes, she doesnt try to sway people. But my point in showing her videos is to show a narrative that MEA turned off not just rabid haters who only wants to see Bioware fail, but even some of their strongest supporters just did not enjoy MEA, despite being a raging fan of the MET. MEA was not on par with MET quality. Cool story bro! Now what does that have to do with Sloane and Kadara? Going back to that, nobody has really offered up a sounds response. The whole purpose of The Pathfinder is to find places that the MW races to live on. The game narrative from the start makes it seem like NOWHERE in the cluster had been discovered for humanity to live on amd why Ryder must find a place. But if Kadara exist, then what is the purpose of Ryder? Who cares if the Angara originally established the port. The point is that humans, Korgan, Salarians, Turians, and Asari have already been living outside of the Nexus for a good while long before Ryder. Even Vetra and Drack knew about this place so it wasnt some secrer that NOBODY knew about.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 4, 2017 18:27:16 GMT
Cool story bro! Now what does that have to do with Sloane and Kadara? Going back to that, nobody has really offered up a sounds response. The whole purpose of The Pathfinder is to find places that the MW races to live on. The game narrative from the start makes it seem like NOWHERE in the cluster had been discovered for humanity to live on amd why Ryder must find a place. But if Kadara exist, then what is the purpose of Ryder? Who cares if the Angara originally established the port. The point is that humans, Korgan, Salarians, Turians, and Asari have already been living outside of the Nexus for a good while long before Ryder. Even Vetra and Drack knew about this place so it wasnt some secrer that NOBODY knew about. Nobody offered a sound response? My only theories for your ability to say that is that you either haven't read anyone's response or so many people blocked you that you CAN'T read their response, because there's no real way you can say that at this point with the amount of evidence mounted against your "premise".
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Post by smilesja on Sept 4, 2017 18:27:19 GMT
And it's been mentioned that Kadara was a horrible place to pic with its environmental hazards. The iniative is seeking a quality place for the people to settle.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 18:27:58 GMT
MEA was not on par with MET quality. Personally I think it was on a higher par than most of the Shepard Trilogy. Definitely better than ME2, on par with ME1 but ME1 is let down by its gameplay, and ME3 beats MEA.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 4, 2017 18:29:23 GMT
MEA was not on par with MET quality. Personally I think it was on a higher par than most of the Shepard Trilogy. Definitely better than ME2, on par with ME1 but ME1 is let down by its gameplay, and ME3 beats MEA. In terms of combat, MEA was the best.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2017 18:34:09 GMT
Personally I think it was on a higher par than most of the Shepard Trilogy. Definitely better than ME2, on par with ME1 but ME1 is let down by its gameplay, and ME3 beats MEA. In terms of combat, MEA was the best. I agree with that. Adding up everything together this is how I personally rank the Mass Effect games from best to worst. ME3 > MEA > ME1 > ME2
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Post by traks on Sept 4, 2017 18:34:52 GMT
71-76 on average from the critics (and 72 on average by 647 of us in the BSN review thread) is not equal to "panned" though. It's not as good as a ME game should be, but not panned. And yes, GamerMD didn't enjoy it - as you didn't - but GamerMD doesn't try to convince others that only her opinion is right. She just sincerely voiced her disappointment (especially with the tone in writing and the characters), which I can totally understand. Worth watching, but not put in the right context here. A thought to these vids: BioWare knows GamerMd, so they probably will listen to/watch her opinion, which is a good thing, because the writing tone is really one of the biggest problems. If that gets through to BioWare, that's a plus. But the low review average is something to raise alarm. You can try all you want but you cannot spin the low review average for MEA as something that is normal and shouldn't cause concern for EA and Bioware. Its one thing if the MET also had similar scores, but that isnt the case. Also, the MET also was nominated and won many post release awards, even DAI, the most recent game from Bioware won many awards and had high review scores. It will be interesting to see how many post release nominations MEA gets. Finally, yes, GamerMD83 is just one person and yes, she doesnt try to sway people. But my point in showing her videos is to show a narrative that MEA turned off not just rabid haters who only wants to see Bioware fail, but even some of their strongest supporters just did not enjoy MEA, despite being a raging fan of the MET. MEA was not on par with MET quality. I never did and am very concerned for the future of the franchise (though more positive since Hudson/Soderlund commented on ME). As in the other thread with the novel titles, it's just wrong to say the majority hates this game, when average scores of 71-76 mean that a lot of people liked the game. Look in our review thread where the average is 72 - so right in line with the critics. Much more positive reviews than negative. bsn.boards.net/thread/6809/bsner-reviews-thread-based-completedYou have to stop to put people in two opposite groups here. I for one can have fun with the game, be critical of the game and agree or disagree with supporters, the middle ground and the detractors if the particular opinion fits what I myself think about the game. That's all possible at once, because one doesn't have to join one group and attack the other and one doesn't have to be annoyed that other people have other opinions. It's OK, we don't have to agree all the time. What is annoying though is when people post negative stuff 1000 times out of context or make stuff up to say: hey, only my opinion is worthy, the game is shit and no one is allowed to think anything else or he/she is an idiot.* In this particular thread I even jumped to your side, because you have a point when it comes to the pathfinder role: bsn.boards.net/post/873745/threadBut that doesn't mean that your OP was right (you brought a wrong example) and that doesn't mean that once that became clear, that posting vids of GamerMD or citing reviews have anything to do with the theme of this thread. So what's the point of that? * (speaking in general here)
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Post by abaris on Sept 4, 2017 18:49:35 GMT
MEA being the lowest reviewed Bioware game is not hyperbole. Even ardent Bioware fangirl GamerMD83 admits that MEA was not an enjoyable game: Especially her third video sums up my own feelings to a t.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 18:59:55 GMT
The whole purpose of The Pathfinder is to find places that the MW races to live on. That's an awfully narrow definition of the role, and sounds more like a scout or explorer. We're shown from the beginning that things like first contact and diplomacy are also in the purview of the Pathfinder. Nope. Our very first assignment is to establish a viable outpost on Eos, since the previous 2 attempts failed.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 4, 2017 19:17:52 GMT
Cool story bro! Now what does that have to do with Sloane and Kadara? Going back to that, nobody has really offered up a sounds response. The whole purpose of The Pathfinder is to find places that the MW races to live on. The game narrative from the start makes it seem like NOWHERE in the cluster had been discovered for humanity to live on amd why Ryder must find a place. But if Kadara exist, then what is the purpose of Ryder? Who cares if the Angara originally established the port. The point is that humans, Korgan, Salarians, Turians, and Asari have already been living outside of the Nexus for a good while long before Ryder. Even Vetra and Drack knew about this place so it wasnt some secrer that NOBODY knew about. The problem with this argument is that the "seem" is doing all the work. Nobody ever says that there isn't anyplace where MW settlers can live. If anything, they say the opposite of that. For isntance, one of the problems Addison mentions with establishing an AI -controlled outpost is the exiles.
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