Shepard and Ryder gets into a fist fight. Who wins?

You can see that I was originally responding to someone who was saying that Ryder was an untrained soldier and you've cut in on that arguing against my points refuting a claim made by another poster... so, don't play blind about that now.

My original discussion with you was on not fatiguing which is something that is quite clearly in Ryder's favor.

As I said, this is a bullshit troll topic anyways.  It's just another way people on this site try to bully people who like ME:A.  It's outright crap.  So, stuff it.  At least Ryder isn't so dumb as to walk towards an explosive tube while shooting a gun.

I'm still having trouble fathoming your obsession with this scene.

It keeps sounding like you want Ryder to act threatened by a 90-pound asari. Why would Ryder need or want to put on some kind of dominance display there, rather than just find her a bit amusing or a bit annoying?

Idle curiosity. I've always supported your right to have your PC act like an insecure jackass, if that's how you roll.

How is getting in the face of a character being an insecure jacka**?

The theory I liked is that the whole thing is a psionic interface, like the Geth Consensus mission. Nothing's physically real, and shooting the gun is just a kind of metaphor.

Shepard obviously

1. I really don't care if Canada has a black ops team or not. Really. If they do, yay them or not. But back to Shepard, no, trained soldier vs elite soldier means Ryder is gonna get his butt kicked. N7 ranking means he's tougher, meaner and more dangerous. N7 is going to walk out of any situation any Alliance grunt would be dead in. That means he's not going to just let some kid punch and and fall to the ground because his nose hurts, he'll drop when he's 3/4 dead. Ryder, is, by no stretch of the imagination, that touch. Drack saying he can handle himself is not the same thing as going toe to toe vs a krogan battle master and coming out alive.

2. repeated myself

3. N7's aren't front line assault troops. Drack is impressed Ryder can handle himself in a gun fight, that's it. Drack is *not* impressed that Ryder can kick his ass. Shepard, pre-ME, (in canon) held out vs the batarians for several hours and single handedly sealed a breach into one of the vaults on Elysium. So yeah, nothing Ryder can say, be told by some Angaran rebels or haha elites is gonna come close and this is *before* ME. 

4. Who exactly did Ryder beat that was so impressive? An asari matriarch? Nope, Shepard had that covered. Krogan? Nope, Shepard did that. Hmmm, Geth Primes, Colossus, Armatures, etc,. Ryder did defeat those 2 architects, definite kudos on that accomplishment.
Ryder can fight. Ryder is skilled. Ryder is *not* a badass at Shepard's level and not without his connection. Cut that connections and its game over for Ryder. 

5. What exactly am I supposed to 'git gud'? is this a pvp game that nobody knows about? Because there is no 'git gud' in a SP game, you either beat the game or not. 

6. I see this ridiculously LONG list of accomplishments by pre-ME2 Shepard that shows how tough he is vs Ryder who has nowhere near that level of strength, stamina and skill and yet you make this claim that Ryder will beat Shepard in something as mundane as a fist fight. And you have nothing actual to show for it in-game, beyond drack telling Ryder he can 'handle himself' or Angaran commandos telling Ryder he's skilled at their level of combat vs the Kett. Or fighting Remnant or mercs. 

And that ladies and gentlemen is the end of this, because we have Ryder - 0 and Shepard - 1. Shepard remains the undisputed winner. Game Over. 

Apparently, no fewer than 15 persons are unfamiliar with the benefits of nanoweave fibers and microlattice reinforcement. Scott would be lucky to survive such a punch. Shepard doesn't hit women, s/he beds them, so Sara would be safe.

Who am I kidding? Shepard would hit Sara too, and maybe even Ellen.

We know Ryder has a coffee maker, and some sweet digs.

Maybe it's about tenacity, not only about skill. And yeah, even the Reapers couldn't defeat Shepard and they tried pretty hard. And we haven't yet seen how hard the Ryder twins are. My Shepard could punch a hole in the Brute or the Ravager, but only with the Vanguard class (charge+nova+heavy melee and even the beasts were down). My Ryder relied more to her weapons and in tech skills, which felt better in MEA than biotics, for example, against Architecst.

Anyway, you just can not simply put Shepard down. Anderson died of the aftereffects of Sovereign's beam - Shepard survived that and the ending explosion even when s/he was badly injured.

Then I simply remembered wrong. But really - was he really uninjured before that? :-)