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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 4, 2017 10:48:37 GMT
I was thinking about the whole "pink Darth Vader" statement made by EA. First thing that comes to mind is don't do pink. Like jesus, that's like taking it to the extreme. But I think the real reason, or what they kind of wanted to say was that customization alone was not cutting it for them.
Obviously it was proved that customization was a part of it all along, but the way they saw it as a business is that it wouldn't give them nearly as much money. If you give the players the option to either buy or not buy skin packs, a lot of people will decide they don't want to buy them, or they'll buy one or 2 worth a couple of bucks and call it day for the rest of the game life spawn. EA knew this, so they went for a more intrusive system in which players, out of frustration, would buy crates because the credits they get by just playing the game normally wouldn't be enough to keep up the pace. Clever from a business standpoint, but very anti consumer.
I wonder what their statement is gonna be later on, now that everyone knows they were hiding customization since the very beginning. The guy who said "customization violates canon" was just talking out of his ass, and he did it publicly.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 4, 2017 10:56:01 GMT
I was thinking about the whole "pink Darth Vader" statement made by EA. First thing that comes to mind is don't do pink. Like jesus, that's like taking it to the extreme. But I think the real reason, or what they kind of wanted to say was that customization alone was not cutting it for them. Obviously it was proved that customization was a part of it all along, but the way they saw it as a business is that it wouldn't give them nearly as much money. If you give the players the option to either buy or not buy skin packs, a lot of people will decide they don't want to buy them, or they'll buy one or 2 worth a couple of bucks and call it day for the rest of the game life spawn. EA knew this, so they went for a more intrusive system in which players, out of frustration, would buy crates because the credits they get by just playing the game normally wouldn't be enough to keep up the pace. Clever from a business standpoint, but very anti consumer. I wonder what their statement is gonna be later on, now that everyone knows they were hiding customization since the very beginning. The guy who said "customization violates canon" was just talking out of his ass, and he did it publicly. Expect some corpspeak excuse pulled fresh right from their rear.
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A bit of nostalgia...
Playing the galactic conquest through the eyes of the 501's, listening to the awesome narration, ah, good times...
It does bring back some good memories indeed. I know it does show its age today, but back then it was great for sitting down and shutting off your brain for a while.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 4, 2017 14:15:02 GMT
Those vids just make me wish for the golden age of games where a game is whole, where your skills, tactics and team effort matters in an online game. *nostalgia*
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 4, 2017 16:29:38 GMT
Been seeing some pictures of retailers lowering prices to 34.99
Not sure how widespread it is, but it seems some are having trouble moving copies.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 4, 2017 16:56:03 GMT
Been seeing some pictures of retailers lowering prices to 34.99 I'm sure the Battlefront II PS4 'bundle' was such a low price on Black Friday because of 'reasons'.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2017 17:30:50 GMT
I was thinking about the whole "pink Darth Vader" statement made by EA. First thing that comes to mind is don't do pink. Like jesus, that's like taking it to the extreme. But I think the real reason, or what they kind of wanted to say was that customization alone was not cutting it for them. They took it to extreme to give a vivid example, not because they genuinely wanted to paint Vader's armor pink. Gee, folks - I don't like what EA did with BF2 as most of you, but let's not get crazy here. We know from reports about Visceral that even minute changes to appearance of their original characters (!) injected into SW nearly instantly triggered the arduous process of approval from Disney and this is one of reasons why their game was in such trouble. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that the customization people datamined from BF2 wasn't turned on, because it's still not fully approved. Disney is actually well known to be extremely protective and controlling of the IPs they own, and they'd be doubly so in case of Star Wars, because not only there's a movie coming out soon, but a lot is riding on the franchise's back.
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 4, 2017 17:52:00 GMT
They took it to extreme to give a vivid example, not because they genuinely wanted to paint Vader's armor pink. Gee, folks - I don't like what EA did with BF2 as most of you, but let's not get crazy here. We know from reports about Visceral that even minute changes to appearance of their original characters (!) injected into SW nearly instantly triggered the arduous process of approval from Disney and this is one of reasons why their game was in such trouble. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that the customization people datamined from BF2 wasn't turned on, because it's still not fully approved. Disney is actually well known to be extremely protective and controlling of the IPs they own, and they'd be doubly so in case of Star Wars, because not only there's a movie coming out soon, but a lot is riding on the franchise's back. Heh, if Disney was so protective with SW, they shouldn't have sold the IP to EA to begin with. I'm sure they did their research and found that EA was shady to say the absolute bloody least. It's not like EA was "we're good now!!" back then either, they were already on the shitter. I think Disney just sold it to EA because EA could afford it, and that's pretty much it. But I'm sure they never though Electronics could fuck so badly they'll have the entire community wanting them to be hung.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 4, 2017 17:58:01 GMT
They took it to extreme to give a vivid example, not because they genuinely wanted to paint Vader's armor pink. Gee, folks - I don't like what EA did with BF2 as most of you, but let's not get crazy here. We know from reports about Visceral that even minute changes to appearance of their original characters (!) injected into SW nearly instantly triggered the arduous process of approval from Disney and this is one of reasons why their game was in such trouble. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that the customization people datamined from BF2 wasn't turned on, because it's still not fully approved. Disney is actually well known to be extremely protective and controlling of the IPs they own, and they'd be doubly so in case of Star Wars, because not only there's a movie coming out soon, but a lot is riding on the franchise's back. Heh, if Disney was so protective with SW, they shouldn't have sold the IP to EA to begin with. I'm sure they did their research and found that EA was shady to say the absolute bloody least. It's not like EA was "we're good now!!" back then either, they were already on the shitter. I think Disney just sold it to EA because EA could afford it, and that's pretty much it. But I'm sure they never though Electronics could fuck so badly they'll have the entire community wanting them to be hung. You're giving Disney too much credit. Sorry, I like many things they do too, but they've had been accused of shady practices and choices for decades now - I'm not claiming that they're ALL shady, but they're a giant corporation oriented on making profit too and that comes with its own shortcomings. So I'm fairly sure they did their research. And I'm fairly sure they knew exactly what EA was doing or will do with BF2 or other SW games. The fact alone that they could make a call to EA and halt mtx in a so is a proof how much control they have over the game.
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Post by Lorn on Dec 4, 2017 18:08:24 GMT
Been seeing some pictures of retailers lowering prices to 34.99 Not sure how widespread it is, but it seems some are having trouble moving copies. My store had a good deal for the console versions of it, but the real seller was CoD WWII Supply Crate Edition for Xbox.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2017 18:43:01 GMT
Been seeing some pictures of retailers lowering prices to 34.99 Not sure how widespread it is, but it seems some are having trouble moving copies. It could also be because The Last Jedi is coming out soon. I remember reading how they were going to put the same on sale for a bit to correlate with the movie's release.
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Post by river82 on Dec 4, 2017 19:54:16 GMT
Disney needed to grant EA a license for Star Wars for the simple fact that Bioware is one of the only companies in existence to make a competent Star Wars game (still the best Star Wars series), and one of them is still running.
Does EA need an exclusive license? Well, not many companies have made good star wars games and EA offered Disney 3 studios that were going to focus on the franchise so *shrugs*
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 4, 2017 21:07:30 GMT
Heh, if Disney was so protective with SW, they shouldn't have sold the IP to EA to begin with. I'm sure they did their research and found that EA was shady to say the absolute bloody least. It's not like EA was "we're good now!!" back then either, they were already on the shitter. I think Disney just sold it to EA because EA could afford it, and that's pretty much it. But I'm sure they never though Electronics could fuck so badly they'll have the entire community wanting them to be hung. You're giving Disney too much credit. Sorry, I like many things they do too, but they've had been accused of shady practices and choices for decades now - I'm not claiming that they're ALL shady, but they're a giant corporation oriented on making profit too and that comes with its own shortcomings. So I'm fairly sure they did their research. And I'm fairly sure they knew exactly what EA was doing or will do with BF2 or other SW games. The fact alone that they could make a call to EA and halt mtx in a so is a proof how much control they have over the game. I meant it about the part of Disney being protective with Star Wars, when you said maybe they don't approve of the customization DICE did for BTF2 and that's why it's currently hidden. If they were so protective then why sell the IP to that disastrous company? They obviously didn't care that much. I just think Disney never though the shitstorm could get so bad in the hands of EA. They probably didn't expect it, EA being able to get away with anything they do after all. This time the community said enough is enough. But, I'm with you. I'm sure Disney knew EA and how they run their show, and still decided to sell the IP to them anyways, because ultimately it's about the money. That's why I said EA got the IP because they probably were the only ones with enough money to afford it.
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 4, 2017 21:14:18 GMT
Disney needed to grant EA a license for Star Wars for the simple fact that Bioware is one of the only companies in existence to make a competent Star Wars game (still the best Star Wars series), and one of them is still running. Does EA need an exclusive license? Well, not many companies have made good star wars games and EA offered Disney 3 studios that were going to focus on the franchise so *shrugs* I was wondering that maybe Bioware could jump in and perhaps make another KOTOR game, after all the reason why they never did another sequel was (I think) because they couldn't get the rights again, and that's how Mass Effect started. Yet, it never happened. Either Bioware is not interested anymore in making a SW game or I don't know really. Maybe their last SW "project" was SWTOR and they want to leave it at that.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 5, 2017 1:39:40 GMT
You're giving Disney too much credit. Sorry, I like many things they do too, but they've had been accused of shady practices and choices for decades now - I'm not claiming that they're ALL shady, but they're a giant corporation oriented on making profit too and that comes with its own shortcomings. So I'm fairly sure they did their research. And I'm fairly sure they knew exactly what EA was doing or will do with BF2 or other SW games. The fact alone that they could make a call to EA and halt mtx in a so is a proof how much control they have over the game. I meant it about the part of Disney being protective with Star Wars, when you said maybe they don't approve of the customization DICE did for BTF2 and that's why it's currently hidden. If they were so protective then why sell the IP to that disastrous company? Because, like EA, they didn't expect for it to explode as well? Disney may be protective of their IP's, but it's not like their history of business decisions is flawless. Basically, you're talking about a different things. There's a difference between being protective of IP, especially in terms of accordance of story or looks to canon, and it not working how they expected it to. Just like there's a difference between customization and economy/progression model for the game. Customization especially would be something they'd obsess about easily. It's not like Disney didn't have its share of controversies around the same time - reason? Well, them being overprotective. Didn't you hear about their spat with LA Times? There's a difference between not caring and them making questionable decisions. The licensing deal between Disney and EA ain't Disney selling the IP to EA.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2017 9:40:09 GMT
EA’s stock fell 5% yesterday, btw
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Post by Lorn on Dec 5, 2017 9:55:00 GMT
EA’s stock fell 5% yesterday, btw They are also in trouble for the latest UFC game too for loot boxes.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 5, 2017 10:15:06 GMT
Anyone found any sale numbers from recent days? I wonder how many people have actually bought this game, and how full the servers are at this point.
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Post by Lorn on Dec 5, 2017 10:28:05 GMT
Anyone found any sale numbers from recent days? I wonder how many people have actually bought this game, and how full the servers are at this point. I'm going to give a guess that it may be in the same boat as MEA. Some retailers are still selling the "Deluxe Edition" for consoles too...
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 5, 2017 11:12:37 GMT
Well, I was watching Delrith play the game on Twitch (he's AJ co-host), lately it started to become obvious there wasn't many people playing. Waiting times for jumping into a map started to be frustrating, it reminded me of how much I had to wait to play Andromeda MP on my region even when the game was still fresh. Plus crashes still, and technical difficulties, and he eventually got sick of it.
The advertisement campaign for the game on social media is ridiculous (also reminds me of Andromeda), but the game seems to be in a bit of trouble.
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Post by mattig89ch on Dec 6, 2017 17:35:28 GMT
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll believe that when I see it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 6, 2017 18:44:36 GMT
Interesting Extra Credits on consumer trust data:
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 6, 2017 19:36:58 GMT
There's an interesting part about this video. As usual, I'll give the TL;DR
Basically one guy came up with an interesting idea, and it's if players consider crates to be gambling, perhaps that applies to a whole lot of other things too. He points an interesting example: Toy eggs. You know this little eggs that come with some toy inside them, I remember them from when I was a kid. And the logic is that these eggs give you a random toy, and some people (I shit you not) are SO into it, they buy them by the hundreds, like an addiction. It's pointed later on how there're videos on youtube about people opening dozens of eggs, kind of like "unboxing" videos. And what it's even more interesting: people watch these videos like if they contained the secret of immortality. They are stupid popular. Of course these eggs are aimed to children, but it's assumed parents will buy them at their discretion. So they supposedly are regulated by adults.
I know this may sound crazy shit, but if you really think about it, it kind of makes sense. Maybe the original idea wasn't just that, but it certainly evolved into something more heading the grey area.
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Post by river82 on Dec 6, 2017 20:31:52 GMT
There's an interesting part about this video. As usual, I'll give the TL;DR Basically one guy came up with an interesting idea, and it's if players consider crates to be gambling, perhaps that applies to a whole lot of other things too. He points an interesting example: Toy eggs. You know this little eggs that come with some toy inside them, I remember them from when I was a kid. And the logic is that these eggs give you a random toy, and some people (I shit you not) are SO into it, they buy them by the hundreds, like an addiction. It's pointed later on how there're videos on youtube about people opening dozens of eggs, kind of like "unboxing" videos. And what it's even more interesting: people watch these videos like if they contained the secret of immortality. They are stupid popular. Of course these eggs are aimed to children, but it's assumed parents will buy them at their discretion. So they supposedly are regulated by adults. I know this may sound crazy shit, but if you really think about it, it kind of makes sense. Maybe the original idea wasn't just that, but it certainly evolved into something more heading the grey area. Yep, this is exactly what I'm worried is going to happen.
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