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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 29, 2017 9:16:47 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait.
*You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game.
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Post by sil on Oct 29, 2017 10:01:08 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait. *You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game. Actually they're teased more than once. They got more teases than Omega DLC for ME3 did.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 29, 2017 10:23:34 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait. *You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game. We only have BioWare to blame for this. Any content in the game that opens up new threads, even if easily missed, leaves a reasonable expectation of follow-through in either a sequel or playable add-on content, not a book or comic, based on BioWare's prior history with both series up until this point. If they indeed had no DLC planned from the beginning, there should never have been that easter egg to begin with, and BioWare should not have made it worse by being silent so long. Besides, this is a game that revolves around a character that BioWare is presumably hoping players would grow attached to and would want to be at the center of any story content they add onto it. Like, what if we got hints at finding the Shadow Broker in ME2, but then they release a comic book about Liara doing it and we never get to take part as Shepard? Where's the fun in that?
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Post by cypherj on Oct 29, 2017 11:25:34 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait. *You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game. So you're saying that from the beginning EA said no matter the demand, the market, the projected revenue we're not releasing any DLC for this game, we don't want the money. That doesn't make sense on any level, especially for bottom line driven company like EA. At some point the ran the numbers of what it would cost and how much it would likely bring in and made a business decision to not release DLC. The only indication I've seen for no DLC was them saying we always planned on continuing the story through books. But all the ME games, as well as the DA games, had their story continued through books and comics, but had DLC as well. That statement they put out doesn't mean books and other media were the only way they planned on extending the games story. If anything they said that in an attempt to hide the fact that they had to cancel the DLC.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 29, 2017 13:24:28 GMT
Of course it is most likely a leadership problem (former employee Heir said lead developers refused to listen when developing Andromeda), but still, Andromeda was a big investment and the fans were really hopeful about it, so it was a huge letdown. And those were the same guys that developed Omega DLC, the most criticized of all DLC in MET. So, in 4 years they developed the worst DLC in MET and a huge failure of a game fans were really expecting and hyping. You can't really blame them for downgrading the studio ( after all, they didn't really close it) Come on, Omega wasn't the worst or most criticized DLC in the entire MET. That's Pinnacle Station easily. The Omega DLC doesn't even medal when it comes to that. Also, yes they closed it. Bioware Montreal no longer exists in any capacity. It is part of Motive Studios now. Oh well, Pinnacle Station was so worthless I didn't even remember it. But Omega gets second place, hands down. Especially because it really tells a story, Pinnacle Station is there just to be a filler. And as you just said, it's part of Motive Studios, it was absorbed. The developers are now working on other games.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 29, 2017 18:17:07 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait. *You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game. So you're saying that from the beginning EA said no matter the demand, the market, the projected revenue we're not releasing any DLC for this game, we don't want the money. That doesn't make sense on any level, especially for bottom line driven company like EA. At some point the ran the numbers of what it would cost and how much it would likely bring in and made a business decision to not release DLC. The only indication I've seen for no DLC was them saying we always planned on continuing the story through books. But all the ME games, as well as the DA games, had their story continued through books and comics, but had DLC as well. That statement they put out doesn't mean books and other media were the only way they planned on extending the games story. If anything they said that in an attempt to hide the fact that they had to cancel the DLC. I always found that argument hilarious. Those people now who claim that EA never planned for DLC were the same people whi swore up and down that there would be DLC cause it sold well, was a crucial part in the quarterly earnings, and EA was satisfied with it. They will rely on any narrative that doesnt put MEA in a bad light and saying that DLC was never planned is easier to accept than DLC was plannes but cancelled cause the game was an internet running joke. And just think, many of those same people were holding onto hope that DLC would be announced on N7 day. Lol....
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Post by Garo on Oct 29, 2017 18:50:02 GMT
Welp I will read it. Too late to give up xD
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Post by abedsbrother on Oct 29, 2017 18:58:48 GMT
Eh, even the drell jumped on Ark? Sure they did bring everyone for the ride. Yeah, they were confirmed ingame, along with hanar, elcor, volus and quarians. Oddly, the blog neglects to mention volus and hanar but does mention batarians, so no-one knows who the hell is going on the boat According to MEA, the Batarians arrived in Andromeda on the Salarian ark (source: one of the Batarian profile descriptions in multiplayer, of all places). There were no Batarians on the Quarian Ark; just quarians, drell, hanar, elcor and volus. So BioWare is already messing with the lore.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Oct 29, 2017 19:41:11 GMT
As much as I like the ME games, I try not to think about the future of ME since I'm not sure there is going to be a future. I wish we'd gotten DLCs for MEA and I'm uncomfortable with the delays of the future books because I'm afraid to count on them ever coming out.
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Post by ProbeAway on Oct 29, 2017 19:43:39 GMT
I'm fascinated by the Quarian race, so Mass Effect Annihilation will be the first book from Bioware I read. I'm actually looking forward to it. It helps that it's being written by a quality author and not a game writer who dabbles. In that case you should consider reading Ascension. The Quarians play a significant role in that book and part of it is even set on the Flotilla. It's written by Drew Karpyshyn (as opposed to an independently recognised author) but it's not bad. If you like it there is a sequel called Retribution.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Oct 29, 2017 19:48:05 GMT
I'm fascinated by the Quarian race, so Mass Effect Annihilation will be the first book from Bioware I read. I'm actually looking forward to it. It helps that it's being written by a quality author and not a game writer who dabbles. In that case you should consider reading Ascension. The Quarians play a significant role in that book and part of it is even set on the Flotilla. It's written by Drew Karpyshyn (as opposed to an independently recognised author) but it's not bad. If you like it there is a sequel called Retribution. I'd rather play the game than read books about it but I enjoyed all the ME books and especially enjoyed reading about life on the fleet. I too am fascinated by the Quarian race.
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Post by river82 on Oct 29, 2017 20:39:44 GMT
I'm fascinated by the Quarian race, so Mass Effect Annihilation will be the first book from Bioware I read. I'm actually looking forward to it. It helps that it's being written by a quality author and not a game writer who dabbles. In that case you should consider reading Ascension. The Quarians play a significant role in that book and part of it is even set on the Flotilla. It's written by Drew Karpyshyn (as opposed to an independently recognised author) but it's not bad. If you like it there is a sequel called Retribution. Will check it out. Thanks
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 23:15:52 GMT
The logic is mind-boggling, who's going to bother reading a novel for a game's who's support got cut almost a year prior? Sure there are die-hard fans out there, but they're not anywhere near enough of them to make the novel profitable, especially after they've alienated so much of their fanbase by cutting support for Andromeda so quickly. At this point I don't even a see a clear way up for Mass Effect anymore, a single DLC for Andromeda might have been the perfect way for the series to avenge itself in the face Andromeda's critical response, books and comics just aren't going to cut it. You would think that BioWare would learn from their mistakes but no they have to create another DLC that can further mess up the game than it already has. It's no wonder that people are leaving the company and go work somewhere else.
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Post by sil on Oct 30, 2017 0:44:00 GMT
Pinnacle Station was released nearly 2 years after ME1, it'd be nice if Andromeda received an expansion, even if it took a couple of years to do so.
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Post by DoctorFox on Oct 30, 2017 2:50:03 GMT
Can't see any point in this. Game is dead, there's no more support or DLC and a book just doesn't cut it for a lot of people. Imagining how stuff looks and sounds is not as immersive as controlling the protagonist and interacting with the universe yourself. Mass Effect doesn't need this novel, the franchise needs another game. Maybe a reboot that takes the ME universe in a different direction.
Perhaps Bioware could set the next game back in the Milky Way where Shepard refused to choose any of Star Kid's 3 options. The reapers win the war and are on clean-up duty getting rid of the last pockets of organic resistance fighters. Maybe they were using some organics as batteries (a la the matrix). Perhaps they were running the 'Andromeda Simulation' on those organics, keeping them comatosed while their bodies feed power to a reaper base. They could kick off at a point where some resistance fighters break into said reaper base and free a handful of people stuck in the simulation. The protagonist wakes up disorientated but conscious enough to walk and escape to safety with his/her rescuers.
Maybe Bioware could merge the Milky Way and Andromeda's residents in the next game. The initiative took 600 years to travel to Andromeda. Perhaps by then, the Milky Way people advanced their technology and built better mass effect relays that could jettison them straight over to Andromeda in mere minutes. Travelling between galaxies would become the norm. Who knows what weird races they'd find.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 30, 2017 12:19:56 GMT
Can't see any point in this. Game is dead, there's no more support or DLC and a book just doesn't cut it for a lot of people. Imagining how stuff looks and sounds is not as immersive as controlling the protagonist and interacting with the universe yourself. Mass Effect doesn't need this novel, the franchise needs another game. Maybe a reboot that takes the ME universe in a different direction. Perhaps Bioware could set the next game back in the Milky Way where Shepard refused to choose any of Star Kid's 3 options. The reapers win the war and are on clean-up duty getting rid of the last pockets of organic resistance fighters. Maybe they were using some organics as batteries (a la the matrix). Perhaps they were running the 'Andromeda Simulation' on those organics, keeping them comatosed while their bodies feed power to a reaper base. They could kick off at a point where some resistance fighters break into said reaper base and free a handful of people stuck in the simulation. The protagonist wakes up disorientated but conscious enough to walk and escape to safety with his/her rescuers. Maybe Bioware could merge the Milky Way and Andromeda's residents in the next game. The initiative took 600 years to travel to Andromeda. Perhaps by then, the Milky Way people advanced their technology and built better mass effect relays that could jettison them straight over to Andromeda in mere minutes. Travelling between galaxies would become the norm. Who knows what weird races they'd find. I agree. By next summer, nobody (generalizing) is going to care about MEA. I, like many others believes that the main reason for the delay is that they had to rewrite the book to include details that would have been in the SP DLC. Remember this titanbooks.com/blog/announcing-official-mass-effect-novels/Nexus Uprising released on time and it appears that Initiation is still releasing as scheduled. So why is it that Annihilation is the lone novel that doesnt release as originally planned? This novel was supposed to release this summer, the same time around the 1st DLC would have dropped. My theory is that this novel was supposed to be a prequel to the DLC with the DLC concluding everything. Now that the DLC wont happen, they went back to include details that would have been in the DLC. So instead of being just a teaser/prequel to a DLC, it is going to be the full story.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 30, 2017 12:56:47 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait. *You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game. So you're saying that from the beginning EA said no matter the demand, the market, the projected revenue we're not releasing any DLC for this game, we don't want the money. That doesn't make sense on any level, especially for bottom line driven company like EA. At some point the ran the numbers of what it would cost and how much it would likely bring in and made a business decision to not release DLC. The only indication I've seen for no DLC was them saying we always planned on continuing the story through books. But all the ME games, as well as the DA games, had their story continued through books and comics, but had DLC as well. That statement they put out doesn't mean books and other media were the only way they planned on extending the games story. If anything they said that in an attempt to hide the fact that they had to cancel the DLC. You know EA. They're above such things as further monetizing their products.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 30, 2017 17:21:47 GMT
Also keep a lookout for an update on Lust Effect. I'll be damned if the writing isn't better then..nevermind.
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By next summer, nobody (generalizing) is going to care about MEA. I [believe] the main reason for the delay [in Annihililation's publication] is that they had to rewrite the book to include details that would have been in the SP DLC. This novel was supposed to release this summer, the same time around the 1st DLC would have dropped. My theory is that this novel was supposed to be a prequel to the DLC with the DLC concluding everything. Now that the DLC won't happen, they went back to include details that would have been in the DLC. So instead of being just a teaser/prequel to a DLC, it is going to be the full story. I hope the MEA books Initiation (to be released on 11-28-17) and Annihilation (June '18) will complete the entire Andromeda plot, and let that be the end of ME:A - only because Andromeda's plot and characters do not hold my interest enough to replay ME:A, and, I'm not interested in a DLC at this point. Then there's the audio story The Lost Ark, 'tentatively' to be released on Dec. 7th, authored by Catherynne M. Valente. It appears this will only be released as an audio cd ($30 on Amazon), or free (streaming?) with Amazon's Audible trial. I am NOT paying $30, and not pre-ordering either. I wonder if it will include voice acting. Perhaps Amazon's web page for this is only a placeholder for now. I haven't heard anything mentioned about The Lost Ark so far.
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By next summer, nobody (generalizing) is going to care about MEA. I [believe] the main reason for the delay [in Annihililation's publication] is that they had to rewrite the book to include details that would have been in the SP DLC. This novel was supposed to release this summer, the same time around the 1st DLC would have dropped. My theory is that this novel was supposed to be a prequel to the DLC with the DLC concluding everything. Now that the DLC won't happen, they went back to include details that would have been in the DLC. So instead of being just a teaser/prequel to a DLC, it is going to be the full story. I hope the MEA books Initiation (to be released on 11-28-17) and Annihilation (June '18) will complete the entire Andromeda plot, and let that be the end of ME:A - only because Andromeda's plot and characters do not hold my interest enough to replay ME:A, and, I'm not interested in a DLC at this point. Then there's the audio story The Lost Ark, 'tentatively' to be released on Dec. 7th, authored by Catherynne M. Valente. It appears this will only be released as an audio cd ($30 on Amazon), or free (streaming?) with Amazon's Audible trial. I am NOT paying $30, and not pre-ordering either. I wonder if it will include voice acting. Perhaps Amazon's web page for this is only a placeholder for now. I haven't heard anything mentioned about The Lost Ark so far. Doubtful. While I'm sure they may complete some plot lines, like the Quarian Ark, there are other plotlines that wouldn't be able to be addressed. Things like who the Benefactor is or some of the other plots Bioware has said was going to be part of the megastory that spans all the games. Also I have to disagree with you fully on your hopes this ties up Ryder and Co. Overall I enjoyed them far more than Shepard and Co. and would like to see them return.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 30, 2017 19:50:05 GMT
By next summer, nobody (generalizing) is going to care about MEA. I [believe] the main reason for the delay [in Annihililation's publication] is that they had to rewrite the book to include details that would have been in the SP DLC. This novel was supposed to release this summer, the same time around the 1st DLC would have dropped. My theory is that this novel was supposed to be a prequel to the DLC with the DLC concluding everything. Now that the DLC won't happen, they went back to include details that would have been in the DLC. So instead of being just a teaser/prequel to a DLC, it is going to be the full story. I hope the MEA books Initiation (to be released on 11-28-17) and Annihilation (June '18) will complete the entire Andromeda plot, and let that be the end of ME:A - only because Andromeda's plot and characters do not hold my interest enough to replay ME:A, and, I'm not interested in a DLC at this point. Then there's the audio story The Lost Ark, 'tentatively' to be released on Dec. 7th, authored by Catherynne M. Valente. It appears this will only be released as an audio cd ($30 on Amazon), or free (streaming?) with Amazon's Audible trial. I am NOT paying $30, and not pre-ordering either. I wonder if it will include voice acting. Perhaps Amazon's web page for this is only a placeholder for now. I haven't heard anything mentioned about The Lost Ark so far. Yeah, I just do not see EA wasting money on the ME brand anymore. The brand was already damaged after ME3 and MEA was supposed to turn the page and be a breath of fresh air. Instead it bolo'd, became the lowesr reviewed Bioware game and an internet laughing stock. Anthem, DA, and possibly a new IP is Bioware's future now. I feel sorry for those who are actually expecting a MEA2.
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Post by Part Time Ninja on Oct 30, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
Genuinley bad form on this one. I really can't imagine anyone outside of the hardcore fanbase who'll read this.
I like the idea of books, comics, web series etc., filling in gaps and expanding the universe, but not when it comes to content that should have been in the actual game.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Oct 30, 2017 21:21:43 GMT
Man, I would have understood if the delay was something like a month or two. But 'til june 2018?!
Even a mad BioWare fan like me had probably forgotten its supposed release. I already started to forgot the names and characters from Andromeda.
I liked her message to a reddit forum though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 21:42:46 GMT
[Edit] While I'm sure they may complete some plot lines, like the Quarian Ark, there are other plotlines that wouldn't be able to be addressed. Things like who the Benefactor is or some of the other plots Bioware has said was going to be part of the megastory that spans all the games. Also I have to disagree with you fully on your hopes this ties up Ryder and Co. Overall I enjoyed them far more than Shepard and Co. and would like to see them return. Hanako, I actually agree with you. Ryder and Co. can certainly benefit from more character development in a ME:A-2 SP role-playing game. A DLC can't do this justice to developing all of the crew's characters, and an ending novel just causes them to just "die on the vine". At this point, given all that's going on and not going on, I can handle a concluding novel to just wrap up the AI at this point. In regards to the Benefactor's ID and lore, I hope important info about this secretive and murderous human 'antagonist' (I think) will be fleshed out in the Initiation novel, Cora's prequel story to recover the all-important 'dangerous tech' needed just prior to the AI's departure. And hopefully her close work with Alex Ryder, who knew the ID of the Benefactor like Jien Garson did, will be good pay-dirt for this aspect of the Big B. As to winding down to the end of the Benefactor's plot, it would be nice to have at least a DLC for us and Ryder's peace of mind (like the Shadow Broker's DLC?). Is it too much to ask that the Benefactor hitched a ride on the Quarian ship as the only human on an ark filled with drell, elcor, batarian, and quarian colonists, and died from the cross-species bacterial pathogen? I HOPE SO!!!! ;-)
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