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Post by samhain444 on Oct 30, 2017 22:12:34 GMT
By next summer, nobody (generalizing) is going to care about MEA. I [believe] the main reason for the delay [in Annihililation's publication] is that they had to rewrite the book to include details that would have been in the SP DLC. This novel was supposed to release this summer, the same time around the 1st DLC would have dropped. My theory is that this novel was supposed to be a prequel to the DLC with the DLC concluding everything. Now that the DLC won't happen, they went back to include details that would have been in the DLC. So instead of being just a teaser/prequel to a DLC, it is going to be the full story. I hope the MEA books Initiation (to be released on 11-28-17) and Annihilation (June '18) will complete the entire Andromeda plot, and let that be the end of ME:A - only because Andromeda's plot and characters do not hold my interest enough to replay ME:A, and, I'm not interested in a DLC at this point. Then there's the audio story The Lost Ark, 'tentatively' to be released on Dec. 7th, authored by Catherynne M. Valente. It appears this will only be released as an audio cd ($30 on Amazon), or free (streaming?) with Amazon's Audible trial. I am NOT paying $30, and not pre-ordering either. I wonder if it will include voice acting. Perhaps Amazon's web page for this is only a placeholder for now. I haven't heard anything mentioned about The Lost Ark so far. My understanding is "The Lost Ark" was the original name for "Annihilation" so odds are good that the 12/07/2017 date is not happening, especially if "Initiation" is coming out a week before it.
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Post by melbella on Oct 31, 2017 0:47:11 GMT
In regards to the Benefactor's ID and lore, I hope important info about this secretive and murderous human 'antagonist' (I think) will be fleshed out in the Initiation novel, Cora's prequel story to recover the all-important 'dangerous tech' needed just prior to the AI's departure. And hopefully her close work with Alex Ryder, who knew the ID of the Benefactor like Jien Garson did, will be good pay-dirt for this aspect of the Big B. As to winding down to the end of the Benefactor's plot, it would be nice to have at least a DLC for us and Ryder's peace of mind (like the Shadow Broker's DLC?). Is it too much to ask that the Benefactor hitched a ride on the Quarian ship as the only human on an ark filled with drell, elcor, batarian, and quarian colonists, and died from the cross-species bacterial pathogen? I HOPE SO!!!! ;-) Neither of the them knew the identity of the benefactor.
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Post by sil on Oct 31, 2017 0:49:00 GMT
In regards to the Benefactor's ID and lore, I hope important info about this secretive and murderous human 'antagonist' (I think) will be fleshed out in the Initiation novel, Cora's prequel story to recover the all-important 'dangerous tech' needed just prior to the AI's departure. And hopefully her close work with Alex Ryder, who knew the ID of the Benefactor like Jien Garson did, will be good pay-dirt for this aspect of the Big B. As to winding down to the end of the Benefactor's plot, it would be nice to have at least a DLC for us and Ryder's peace of mind (like the Shadow Broker's DLC?). Is it too much to ask that the Benefactor hitched a ride on the Quarian ship as the only human on an ark filled with drell, elcor, batarian, and quarian colonists, and died from the cross-species bacterial pathogen? I HOPE SO!!!! ;-) Neither of the them knew the identity of the benefactor. It's possible the novel will give us more clues to the identity of the Benefactor, but we won't 100% discover their identity, likely just create more theories.
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In regards to the Benefactor's ID and lore, <snip> hopefully Cora's close work with Alex Ryder, who knew the ID of the Benefactor like Jien Garson did....Neither of the them knew the identity of the benefactor. I'm sorry. I misunderstood this info from this web page for the Benefactor: "The Benefactor's existence was known only to Jien Garson, Alec Ryder, and a handful of other Initiative members prior to the Initiative's launch to Andromeda in 2185." I initially thought this means the Benefactor's 'identity' was known to them. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 1:39:31 GMT
My understanding is "The Lost Ark" was the original name for "Annihilation" so odds are good that the 12/07/2017 date is not happening, especially if "Initiation" is coming out a week before it. Good point. Since The Lost Ark was a planned release, you'd think BW would have the decency (actually care about the ME fans) to clarify this in their blog announcement for the Annihilation novel release. Of course they don't do this for us. I wish the blog information officer would be fired (and consider hiring me!). They have been useless for the past year.
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Post by melbella on Oct 31, 2017 1:41:14 GMT
Neither of the them knew the identity of the benefactor. I'm sorry. I misunderstood this info from this web page for the Benefactor: "The Benefactor's existence was known only to Jien Garson, Alec Ryder, and a handful of other Initiative members prior to the Initiative's launch to Andromeda in 2185." I initially thought this means the Benefactor's 'identity' was known to them. Thanks for the correction.
I wonder where the wiki got the idea that a "handful" of other people knew about the benefactor? Unless it is just referring to their own agents, like whoever killed Jien? According to everything we hear/see in-game, of Initiative personnel, only Garson and Alec even knew the benefactor existed.
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Post by sil on Oct 31, 2017 1:45:48 GMT
I'm sorry. I misunderstood this info from this web page for the Benefactor: "The Benefactor's existence was known only to Jien Garson, Alec Ryder, and a handful of other Initiative members prior to the Initiative's launch to Andromeda in 2185." I initially thought this means the Benefactor's 'identity' was known to them. Thanks for the correction.
I wonder where the wiki got the idea that a "handful" of other people knew about the benefactor? Unless it is just referring to their own agents, like whoever killed Jien? According to everything we hear/see in-game, of Initiative personnel, only Garson and Alec even knew the benefactor existed.
As far as I'm aware, only a handful know of the Benefactor: The Mysterious Benefactor - Obviously they know who they are The MB's Agent - The one that killed Jien Garson, presumably Jien Garson - Dead, by the Mysterious Benefactor's hand (via an agent, presumably) Alec Ryder - Dead SAM - Locked away in Alec Ryder's memories Hztch - Presumably a kett as a letter addressed to the benefactor is found at one of their bases
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Post by melbella on Oct 31, 2017 1:55:28 GMT
I wonder where the wiki got the idea that a "handful" of other people knew about the benefactor? Unless it is just referring to their own agents, like whoever killed Jien? According to everything we hear/see in-game, of Initiative personnel, only Garson and Alec even knew the benefactor existed.
As far as I'm aware, only a handful know of the Benefactor: The Mysterious Benefactor - Obviously they know who they are The MB's Agent - The one that killed Jien Garson, presumably Jien Garson - Dead, by the Mysterious Benefactor's hand (via an agent, presumably) Alec Ryder - Dead SAM - Locked away in Alec Ryder's memories Hztch - Presumably a kett as a letter addressed to the benefactor is found at one of their basesThat last one is the biggest mystery for me. Is there maybe a third kett faction, backing neither Archon nor the second? One we obviously haven't come across yet other than that message?
Of the rest, we know(?) 2 are dead, while the others' status and location are unconfirmed. Except for SAM, of course. Ryder also, if you finished the quest, and Tann if you asked him about it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 31, 2017 2:36:53 GMT
[Edit] While I'm sure they may complete some plot lines, like the Quarian Ark, there are other plotlines that wouldn't be able to be addressed. Things like who the Benefactor is or some of the other plots Bioware has said was going to be part of the megastory that spans all the games. Also I have to disagree with you fully on your hopes this ties up Ryder and Co. Overall I enjoyed them far more than Shepard and Co. and would like to see them return. Hanako, I actually agree with you. Ryder and Co. can certainly benefit from more character development in a ME:A-2 SP role-playing game. A DLC can't do this justice to developing all of the crew's characters, and an ending novel just causes them to just "die on the vine". At this point, given all that's going on and not going on, I can handle a concluding novel to just wrap up the AI at this point. Ah, I see. Sorry for the confusion on my part then. I definitely agree that simply DLC or books can not adequately develop or finish those character's stories and that they need at least another full game to do that. Hopefully once Bioware picks Mass Effect up again like some devs have expressed interest in doing so, they will continue with them to finish their story and then move on to the next protagonist.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 31, 2017 9:51:02 GMT
I wonder if EA will gauge the sales of these novels as some indicator on how popular MEA is and us this as a reason to go forward or not go forward with a MEA2.
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Post by traks on Oct 31, 2017 13:32:51 GMT
I hope the MEA books Initiation (to be released on 11-28-17) and Annihilation (June '18) will complete the entire Andromeda plot, and let that be the end of ME:A - only because Andromeda's plot and characters do not hold my interest enough to replay ME:A, and, I'm not interested in a DLC at this point. Then there's the audio story The Lost Ark, 'tentatively' to be released on Dec. 7th, authored by Catherynne M. Valente. It appears this will only be released as an audio cd ($30 on Amazon), or free (streaming?) with Amazon's Audible trial. I am NOT paying $30, and not pre-ordering either. I wonder if it will include voice acting. Perhaps Amazon's web page for this is only a placeholder for now. I haven't heard anything mentioned about The Lost Ark so far. If you hope that Initiation and Annihilation (which is the same as The Lost Ark) will finish the Andromeda plot, I think you will be disappointed, because the timeline doesn't fit. The first is a prequel in the Milky Way - likely shedding more light on the Initiative - while the premise of the second is probably simply to tell you what the other races experienced when they first entered Heleus. From the plot synopsis of either book I don't get any sense, that these books will tell us anything about what the next move of the Kett Empire is and how that conflict ends or whether the Jardaan will be friend or foe (if they were to be encountered in another game) and whether their conflict with the creators of the scourge will be important in the future in Heleus. I mean they could bridge to an upcoming conflict with another faction (Benefactor, Scourge creators) in these books, but they can't solve conflicts for which the player is central. Which brings me to your question asked earlier here: bsn.boards.net/thread/13501/mass-effect-annihilation-june-release?page=2&scrollTo=915018The purpose of an expanded universe is - besides earning more money and giving some people additional material in a story setting they like - IMO to explain changed circumstances. BioWare - to my experience - has never simply picked up a story exactly where they left off in the game before. So in this case, we had no Quarians in MEA, but you can be sure that they would be there in a sequel. So you gotta give an explanation for that - which is planned to come with the novel. We also could have faced a different enemy in a sequel, which could be hinted at in an expanded universe. Maybe the next enemies have something to do with the other races being delayed. Does that mean there will be more MEA in the future? Nope. But there is no reason not to set up everything as planned - just in case they want to continue this story arc in the Mass Effect universe later. Also: why should they cancel books just because their game wasn't received as well as they hoped (BTW: wouldn't that be Titan Books call after buying the rights)? So I don't get most of the discussions around these novels. Just some more Mass Effect lore coming out which might or might not be interesting for some people. Of course these novels could get more interesting if another game would be announced at any point in the future - which BTW could also be a reason for a delayed schedule: buying them some time before nothing ME related is in the pipeline anymore, which might be the point where questions on ME's future will get louder.
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Post by traks on Oct 31, 2017 13:44:43 GMT
My understanding is "The Lost Ark" was the original name for "Annihilation" so odds are good that the 12/07/2017 date is not happening, especially if "Initiation" is coming out a week before it. Good point. Since The Lost Ark was a planned release, you'd think BW would have the decency (actually care about the ME fans) to clarify this in their blog announcement for the Annihilation novel release. Of course they don't do this for us. I wish the blog information officer would be fired (and consider hiring me!). They have been useless for the past year. Maybe you should make them aware of this. It is only an Amazon placeholder for a product that doesn't exist - you probably can expect an audio book for Annihilation once the novel comes out. "Lost Ark" was the working title for Annihilation as far as we know and the audio book relating to that will of course also change its title and release date.
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Post by traks on Oct 31, 2017 13:50:09 GMT
I wonder if EA will gauge the sales of these novels as some indicator on how popular MEA is and us this as a reason to go forward or not go forward with a MEA2. That would be strange, wouldn't it? Different genres are interesting to different people. Not all ME gamers like to read backstories. I for one would love another Mass Effect game, but don't need any novel. I don't see the relation here. I don't think that the sales numbers of any of the existing Mass Effect novels or comics had anything to do with planning another Mass Effect game after they came out.
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Post by azarhal on Oct 31, 2017 14:29:37 GMT
My understanding is "The Lost Ark" was the original name for "Annihilation" so odds are good that the 12/07/2017 date is not happening, especially if "Initiation" is coming out a week before it. Good point. Since The Lost Ark was a planned release, you'd think BW would have the decency (actually care about the ME fans) to clarify this in their blog announcement for the Annihilation novel release. Of course they don't do this for us. I wish the blog information officer would be fired (and consider hiring me!). They have been useless for the past year. When the book was officially announced in December 2016, it was already titled Annihilation. The Lost Ark was probably a temp title for Annihilation at Titan Books that retailers never bothered fixing in their database.
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Post by abaris on Oct 31, 2017 21:47:15 GMT
I wonder if EA will gauge the sales of these novels as some indicator on how popular MEA is and us this as a reason to go forward or not go forward with a MEA2. I don't believe so. A few people seem to be excited over the novels, but the big crowd has long moved on. And why would a significant number of people not having played the game read the novels? No, these won't make the NYT bestsellers. They are niche products at best and don't give any indications as far as expectations for another MEA game goes. They dropped the ball some 5 months ago and try to pick it up by producing another medium. One that's probably more cost intensive when dropped than it is to publish it anyway. My guess is, the authours already collected their fees and printing costs are a pittance in comparison.
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Post by samhain444 on Oct 31, 2017 22:34:09 GMT
At this point, I would assume that "Annihilation" will establish the Quarians presence in Heleus if no other reason than it leaves the door open to continue the series in Andromeda should they choose.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 1, 2017 0:07:53 GMT
At this point, I would assume that "Annihilation" will establish the Quarians presence in Heleus if no other reason than it leaves the door open to continue the series in Andromeda should they choose. I think so too. If they continue in Andromeda which I think they will, they will almost certainly have the races that were on the Quariank Ark there and just explain it like they explained the Nexus Uprising in MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 0:09:15 GMT
At this point, I would assume that "Annihilation" will establish the Quarians presence in Heleus if no other reason than it leaves the door open to continue the series in Andromeda should they choose. At this point, I would assume that "Annihilation" will establish the Quarians presence in Heleus if no other reason than it leaves the door open to continue the series in Andromeda should they choose. I think so too. If they continue in Andromeda which I think they will, they will almost certainly have the races that were on the Quariank Ark there and just explain it like they explained the Nexus Uprising in MEA. This would be the optimal outcome and the optimist in me is hopeful, but recent events have beat me into a pulp for daring to be optimistic.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Nov 2, 2017 2:19:04 GMT
So you're saying that from the beginning EA said no matter the demand, the market, the projected revenue we're not releasing any DLC for this game, we don't want the money. That doesn't make sense on any level, especially for bottom line driven company like EA. At some point the ran the numbers of what it would cost and how much it would likely bring in and made a business decision to not release DLC. The only indication I've seen for no DLC was them saying we always planned on continuing the story through books. But all the ME games, as well as the DA games, had their story continued through books and comics, but had DLC as well. That statement they put out doesn't mean books and other media were the only way they planned on extending the games story. If anything they said that in an attempt to hide the fact that they had to cancel the DLC. I always found that argument hilarious. Those people now who claim that EA never planned for DLC were the same people whi swore up and down that there would be DLC cause it sold well, was a crucial part in the quarterly earnings, and EA was satisfied with it. Nah, I got yelled at by some here for telling them DLC wasn't happening after Jason's articles came out. I may be an MEA fan, but I abhor the idea of only believing what I want to hear. It seems that MEA did well enough that it either broke even or earned a profit. But that's just not good enough for a major game in a AAA franchise published by a major corporation. So while it may have not been a flop or a financial loss, effectively it probably is viewed as a failure by EA. Not bombed, but compared to expectations, it underperformed. Publishers care about the perceived reception of their big releases as much as they do about how much money it literally generated. For good or ill (I say ill), that metacritic score is super important. Rockstar never bothered with singleplayer DLC. Most consumers don't even finish a main game's story, and even fewer buy DLC (with diminishing returns for every subsequent piece). It's not really the money printer armchair video game experts think it is. I'm not saying it's dying as a business model, but it seems to have lost its luster for many publishers. Because of its rushed production issues, it's likely no one was concentrating on planning out/starting production on DLC. Who knows why exactly... trying to figure that out is pure speculation (for everyone!11). The (admittedly few) facts we have point to DLC never being a thing before MEA's release, though. It's possible that had MEA been a hit, EA would've pushed for DLC. But even so, Montreal's fate seemed sealed by the time of the game's release anyway.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Nov 2, 2017 2:20:06 GMT
There's every indication DLC was never planned.* But you know "fans," when they get something stuck in their head--especially if it's baseless but confirms a bias--they get hostile to anything that challenges it. This is why we get shit like indoctrination theory, Mac Walters destroyed Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda and, on the other side of the coin, DLC is coming for MEA any day now just you wait. *You know the pro DLC was planned argument is bad when it mostly relies on an easter egg that's easily skippable in the epilogue to the game. teased Lol k
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 2, 2017 2:40:30 GMT
I wonder if EA will gauge the sales of these novels as some indicator on how popular MEA is and us this as a reason to go forward or not go forward with a MEA2. I don't believe so. A few people seem to be excited over the novels, but the big crowd has long moved on. And why would a significant number of people not having played the game read the novels? No, these won't make the NYT bestsellers. They are niche products at best and don't give any indications as far as expectations for another MEA game goes. They dropped the ball some 5 months ago and try to pick it up by producing another medium. One that's probably more cost intensive when dropped than it is to publish it anyway. My guess is, the authours already collected their fees and printing costs are a pittance in comparison. Well a lot of people (as seen in this thread) are under the impresion that the novel could actually serve as some tie-in to a MEA2. I believe MEA series is done, but those who are still hanging onto hope have this belief that the novel is just a taste of things to come.
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Post by Ameridan on Nov 2, 2017 22:21:23 GMT
Glad to see the Batarians and Drell made it along with the Quarians. Now hoping that some protheans escaped there cycle and went to Andromeda.
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Post by sil on Nov 2, 2017 23:59:02 GMT
Now hoping that some protheans escaped there cycle and went to Andromeda. You never know, they could be the Kett.
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Post by Ameridan on Nov 3, 2017 4:09:19 GMT
Now hoping that some protheans escaped there cycle and went to Andromeda. You never know, they could be the Kett.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 3, 2017 4:10:02 GMT
Glad to see the Batarians and Drell made it along with the Quarians. Now hoping that some protheans escaped there cycle and went to Andromeda. I'm hoping the Geth are in Andromeda myself.
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