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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 6, 2017 1:32:30 GMT
So long as CDPR makes a good game with Cyberpunk 2077, there will be nothing coming at the hands of disgruntled ME:A fans that are looking to blame somebody other than BioWare for what happened to the game. If they don't make a good game, then that will be the reason why it doesn't do well. Contrary to what some people seem to think, a loud minority of people don't actually have the influence to cause a AAA title to fail like that. The reason why ME:A didn't live up to EA's standards wasn't because of "haters who were determined to not like the game". The blame, if any is to be placed, lies at the feet of the management that let the game struggle in development for 3 and a half years. You can metabomb the game all you want. It wont have any effect on how the game performs. Here is something to consider the Anchoring Effect and why the reviews really do (or seem to) matter to media creators. So are you saying that the media was influenced by the disgruntled fans?
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 6, 2017 6:11:04 GMT
Here is something to consider the Anchoring Effect and why the reviews really do (or seem to) matter to media creators. So are you saying that the media was influenced by the disgruntled fans? The media was rather ripped apart after the ME3 ending fiasco.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 6:12:39 GMT
So are you saying that the media was influenced by the disgruntled fans? The media was rather ripped apart after the ME3 ending fiasco. Which makes me think that the media was out to give ME:A a hard time in order to regain some credibility after they neglected to report on ME3's ending.
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Post by river82 on Nov 6, 2017 6:21:33 GMT
The media was rather ripped apart after the ME3 ending fiasco. Which makes me think that the media was out to give ME:A a hard time in order to regain some credibility after they neglected to report on ME3's ending.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 6, 2017 6:28:57 GMT
The media was rather ripped apart after the ME3 ending fiasco. Which makes me think that the media was out to give ME:A a hard time in order to regain some credibility after they neglected to report on ME3's ending. No, it's just fairly underwhelming as a game. That doesn't make it bad. Problem is it had so much baggage as a mass effect title it became a victim of circumstance, along with a heap of technical issues on top of it.
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Post by Sondergaard on Nov 6, 2017 7:41:04 GMT
It's rare to find someone you don't agree with that you can have civil yet robust discussions with about topics. A lot of the time challenging someone's opinion will cause them to lash out aggressive, get all defensive, or result in them retreating into their own little echo chamber. Tragic stuff. Bollocks. The vast VAST majority of people online are perfectly reasonable and fully capable of engaging in intelligent discussion. If they weren't, forums like this would collapse overnight into cesspits of negativity. Of course, there's the counter phenomenon of people labelling anyone who disagrees with them as aggressive, defensive and living in an echo chamber. So much easier than accepting different opinions or even dealing with facts. So continue to channel Chicken Little while the rest of us get on with enjoying (or tolerating) the rich diversity available online.
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Post by Sondergaard on Nov 6, 2017 7:46:54 GMT
It's the Illuminati, right? I bet it's them! You'd have to be blind to not see that there was a movement organised against this game by disgruntled haters with an agenda. Oh. My. God.
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Post by anarchy65 on Nov 6, 2017 14:04:41 GMT
I'm gonna review bomb cyberpunk on metacritic when it comes out. I will even make multiple accounts to do it. Hahahahaha, look at this. He says he'll have "vengeance", even if Andromeda's doomfall were the manager's own fault. And he'll have vengeance on CDPR, like they had something to do with Andromeda's epic fail. Because, you know, they set a high standard for games, so shitty games like Andromeda aren't acceptable anymore, it's their fault! LOL Please, dear, if cyberpunk is actually good, there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, besides playing it and actually have some fun.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Nov 6, 2017 15:45:43 GMT
I'm gonna review bomb cyberpunk on metacritic when it comes out. I will even make multiple accounts to do it. Hahahahaha, look at this. He says he'll have "vengeance", even if Andromeda's doomfall were the manager's own fault. And he'll have vengeance on CDPR, like they had something to do with Andromeda's epic fail. Because, you know, they set a high standard for games, so shitty games like Andromeda aren't acceptable anymore, it's their fault! LOL Please, dear, if cyberpunk is actually good, there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, besides playing it and actually have some fun. Oh it won't be to punish cdpr. It will be to wreak vengeance upon their fans. Bring it on you edgy communist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 15:49:02 GMT
It's rare to find someone you don't agree with that you can have civil yet robust discussions with about topics. A lot of the time challenging someone's opinion will cause them to lash out aggressive, get all defensive, or result in them retreating into their own little echo chamber. Tragic stuff. Bollocks. The vast VAST majority of people online are perfectly reasonable and fully capable of engaging in intelligent discussion. If they weren't, forums like this would collapse overnight into cesspits of negativity. Of course, there's the counter phenomenon of people labelling anyone who disagrees with them as aggressive, defensive and living in an echo chamber. So much easier than accepting different opinions or even dealing with facts. So continue to channel Chicken Little while the rest of us get on with enjoying (or tolerating) the rich diversity available online. We have long since past that milestone...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 15:50:41 GMT
Which makes me think that the media was out to give ME:A a hard time in order to regain some credibility after they neglected to report on ME3's ending. No, it's just fairly underwhelming as a game. That doesn't make it bad. Problem is it had so much baggage as a mass effect title it became a victim of circumstance, along with a heap of technical issues on top of it. I don't see it as underwhelming. I don't see 90% of the complaints as serious enough to care about. Then again, I don't analyze the media I consume. I either like it or I don't.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 6, 2017 15:54:14 GMT
No, it's just fairly underwhelming as a game. That doesn't make it bad. Problem is it had so much baggage as a mass effect title it became a victim of circumstance, along with a heap of technical issues on top of it. I don't see it as underwhelming. I don't see 90% of the complaints as serious enough to care about. Then again, I don't analyze the media I consume. I either like it or I don't. I unfortunately don't have that luxary sometimes. It was the biggest problem. It was good but not good enough, it was following trends versus trend setting. It showed...and it made it underwhelming in that regard. A lot of the more angry punditry is foolish of course, but there is some kernal of truth in it in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 15:55:40 GMT
"Fanbase phenomenon", haha, please, this is a thing that happens mostly with anything. The most recent is almost always "the best in history" or "the worst in history". Many americans say Obama is the "worst president in history of US" (I bet people who say that don't know the name of 10 american presidents without googling it), the player on my soccer team is the worst I've ever seen playing on my team (even if there was a player last year who played far worse), etc. The opposite event is also common: No, the player from the past will always be the best, that president will always be the worst, etc. And seriously, this phenomenon doesn't even apply to Mass Effect, because Mass Effect 2 is one of the best rated games (by fans and critics). Mass Effect 3 is also a good game, the only thing people really hated was the ending (it was justified, but nobody said it was the worst game ever). Mass Effect: Andromeda is, objectively, the worst Mass Effect game, and this has nothing to do with "Fanbase phenomenon", but with the fact that it is a terrible game, and even their own creators recognize it. You can be as dismissive and nonchalant as you like, but a hate cabal has existed since ME2 and has only grown since. If you can't see it, then you either haven't been there to witness it across the 'net or are a part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:00:27 GMT
I think the phenomenon is more akin to "selective hearing." Do tell.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 6, 2017 16:18:40 GMT
RGB/holokid- that is all. There's an amount of quality 150+ hours beyond that. It's no coincidence the game he was the least involved at the time of released was the one that got destroyed in every way, and every plan cancelled afterwards. I mean, come on. No, there's 150+ hours of quality that was destroyed by that. And actually it is. Andromeda's 5-year thumb twiddling development, several non-starters and final procrastination points to bad management more than anything. Dude may or may not be a good manager, but that still doesn't mean I'd ever trust him to write anything creatively, other than coffee orders. And even if a lack of creative vision is directly responsible for Andromeda and even if Hudson is an eagle eye in that department and has ideas out the butthole, it's still not worth it if those ideas turn out as poisoned as "artistic integrity". Not now, not ever. Never forget. "Lots of speculation for everyone"
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 6, 2017 16:38:59 GMT
So long as CDPR makes a good game with Cyberpunk 2077, there will be nothing coming at the hands of disgruntled ME:A fans that are looking to blame somebody other than BioWare for what happened to the game. If they don't make a good game, then that will be the reason why it doesn't do well. Contrary to what some people seem to think, a loud minority of people don't actually have the influence to cause a AAA title to fail like that. The reason why ME:A didn't live up to EA's standards wasn't because of "haters who were determined to not like the game". The blame, if any is to be placed, lies at the feet of the management that let the game struggle in development for 3 and a half years. You can metabomb the game all you want. It wont have any effect on how the game performs. Here is something to consider the Anchoring Effect and why the reviews really do (or seem to) matter to media creators. The Extra Credits video doesn't apply to what I'm saying though because there is a difference between some disgruntled fans bringing down AAA titles versus reviewers making videos and writing articles. The anchoring effect doesn't really matter as much when the number of people you're going to reach with your statement is minimal because you're going to be mixed in with thousands of other people who have also given user reviews for the game. Meanwhile last night on my YouTube Angry Joe posted a review for Wolfenstein 2 and it already has 200k views. That's 200k people that have specifically sought out his opinion on the game. Big name reviewers simply have the audience numbers(and even then it still has to be a good number of reviewers to make a notable difference, not just one) to actually make a difference while random people on the internet don't. That is unless you want to start arguing that those disgruntled ME:A players also influenced all the reviewers to hate on the game as well.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 6, 2017 16:48:40 GMT
"Fanbase phenomenon", haha, please, this is a thing that happens mostly with anything. The most recent is almost always "the best in history" or "the worst in history". Many americans say Obama is the "worst president in history of US" (I bet people who say that don't know the name of 10 american presidents without googling it), the player on my soccer team is the worst I've ever seen playing on my team (even if there was a player last year who played far worse), etc. The opposite event is also common: No, the player from the past will always be the best, that president will always be the worst, etc. And seriously, this phenomenon doesn't even apply to Mass Effect, because Mass Effect 2 is one of the best rated games (by fans and critics). Mass Effect 3 is also a good game, the only thing people really hated was the ending (it was justified, but nobody said it was the worst game ever). Mass Effect: Andromeda is, objectively, the worst Mass Effect game, and this has nothing to do with "Fanbase phenomenon", but with the fact that it is a terrible game, and even their own creators recognize it. You can be as dismissive and nonchalant as you like, but a hate cabal has existed since ME2 and has only grown since. If you can't see it, then you either haven't been there to witness it across the 'net or are a part of it. Ooooh!, it's a "cabal" now! Is that better or worse than a conspiracy? Is there a secret handshake? Asking for a friend.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 6, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
Bollocks. The vast VAST majority of people online are perfectly reasonable and fully capable of engaging in intelligent discussion. If they weren't, forums like this would collapse overnight into cesspits of negativity. You mean we're not a cesspit of negativity?
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Post by Sondergaard on Nov 6, 2017 17:45:33 GMT
Bollocks. The vast VAST majority of people online are perfectly reasonable and fully capable of engaging in intelligent discussion. If they weren't, forums like this would collapse overnight into cesspits of negativity. Of course, there's the counter phenomenon of people labelling anyone who disagrees with them as aggressive, defensive and living in an echo chamber. So much easier than accepting different opinions or even dealing with facts. So continue to channel Chicken Little while the rest of us get on with enjoying (or tolerating) the rich diversity available online. We have long since past that milestone... Oh please.
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Post by Sondergaard on Nov 6, 2017 17:46:51 GMT
Bollocks. The vast VAST majority of people online are perfectly reasonable and fully capable of engaging in intelligent discussion. If they weren't, forums like this would collapse overnight into cesspits of negativity. You mean we're not a cesspit of negativity? Unless you have an extraordinarily low tolerance of different opinions, no.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 6, 2017 17:51:37 GMT
I think the phenomenon is more akin to "selective hearing." Do tell. Upon ME2's release, all I heard where gripes and complaints Now ME:A is out and I again hear the usual "OMG ITZ TEH WURST GUISE!!!!1"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 18:44:27 GMT
We have long since past that milestone... Oh please. If you wish to remain blissfully unaware of reality, then be my guest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 18:45:02 GMT
Upon ME2's release, all I heard where gripes and complaints Now ME:A is out and I again hear the usual "OMG ITZ TEH WURST GUISE!!!!1" So we agree then?
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Nov 6, 2017 19:29:09 GMT
Yeah I remember when ME 2 came out there were cries of anguish on the old bsn about how bioware had betrayed rpg fans. Ah the melodrama.
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Post by anarchy65 on Nov 6, 2017 20:12:18 GMT
Hahahahaha, look at this. He says he'll have "vengeance", even if Andromeda's doomfall were the manager's own fault. And he'll have vengeance on CDPR, like they had something to do with Andromeda's epic fail. Because, you know, they set a high standard for games, so shitty games like Andromeda aren't acceptable anymore, it's their fault! LOL Please, dear, if cyberpunk is actually good, there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, besides playing it and actually have some fun. Oh it won't be to punish cdpr. It will be to wreak vengeance upon their fans. Bring it on you edgy communist. LOL, as I said, do whatever you like, but if the game is actually good, there is actually NOTHING you can do, no matter how many accounts you create.
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