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Post by Serza on Dec 2, 2017 12:23:47 GMT
That was well said Element Zero ! I didn’t join the forums until April and at that point you needed heavy armor and a shield if you were going to last more than a week here. I have still found this a fun place to be for the most part, even if I hid away from the MEA general discussion for the first 3 months. I have managed to make some great friends on here and I suppose minus a few things, I wouldn’t change this place. Less chaotic would be nice, but… eh where is the sense of adventure in that? Look at it this way: You walked through the shadow of the valley of hate, and you need fear no evil...
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Post by Hawke on Dec 2, 2017 14:32:24 GMT
Agreed with the OP.
I do like this forum and will attempt to be more respectful toward its members and game developers and to accept the possibility of people having opinions, different from mine, in order to keep BSN a place, where one can have a constructive discussion about games (or other products and artworks), they like.
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Post by sil on Dec 2, 2017 14:52:33 GMT
I think part of the issue is that the trolling behaviour wasn't culled during the period of ME:A where we weren't sure if DLC was coming or not. By the time news came out that no DLC was forthcoming a whole bunch of people ended up turning to private messages to hold conversations because it was the only way to have a conversation about it without trolls and flame wars. That's the sign of a divided community, if it had been stamped out early on it might have been overcome. The issue does also lie in part with those who got angry and responded to the eejits that were trolling, it only fed them.
Though there is an issue with the Mass Effect community, it's something I've spotted for years... everyone claims to love the series but there is constant abuse hurled at it at every opportunity. It's an incredibly negative atmosphere that's existed since before ME3 released, and it's no surprise to me that Bioware got rid of the forum as it was a terrible advertisement for their games. Some people genuinely show love and support of it, they make cool things to do with it, or discuss and debate the merits of the story, but the majority seems negative. I think it's a community-wide problem involving too much entitlement, too much racial/gender politics instead of enjoying one of the finest RPG's of the last generation and a great sci-fi setting.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 2, 2017 14:57:36 GMT
I think part of the issue is that the trolling behaviour wasn't culled during the period of ME:A where we weren't sure if DLC was coming or not. By the time news came out that no DLC was forthcoming a whole bunch of people ended up turning to private messages to hold conversations because it was the only way to have a conversation about it without trolls and flame wars. That's the sign of a divided community, if it had been stamped out early on it might have been overcome. The issue does also lie in part with those who got angry and responded to the eejits that were trolling, it only fed them. Though there is an issue with the Mass Effect community, it's something I've spotted for years... everyone claims to love the series but there is constant abuse hurled at it at every opportunity. It's an incredibly negative atmosphere that's existed since before ME3 released, and it's no surprise to me that Bioware got rid of the forum as it was a terrible advertisement for their games. Some people genuinely show love and support of it, they make cool things to do with it, or discuss and debate the merits of the story, but the majority seems negative. I think it's a community-wide problem involving too much entitlement, too much racial/gender politics instead of enjoying one of the finest RPG's of the last generation and a great sci-fi setting. Couldn't have said it better.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 2, 2017 15:21:26 GMT
Andromeda's development began that year, so you're correct. Let's not avoid it, the Mass Effect 3 endings. ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was awful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 15:26:03 GMT
Let's not avoid it, the Mass Effect 3 endings. ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was aweful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang. I love you.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 2, 2017 16:25:42 GMT
Let's not avoid it, the Mass Effect 3 endings. ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was awful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang. To be honest not many fans agreed with the critics, accusing them to be paid off by EA. There was that controversy with having a games reviewer voicing a character. Even though there are some who said the game was fine until the ending, there were many others who disliked the railroading, weak villains and the constant auto dialogue from Shepard.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 2, 2017 16:45:00 GMT
ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was awful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang. To be honest not many fans agreed with the critics, accusing them to be paid off by EA. There was that controversy with having a games reviewer voicing a character. Even though there are some who said the game was fine until the ending, there were many others who disliked the railroading, weak villains and the constant auto dialogue from Shepard. Saying critics were paid by EA is like saying Disney pays reviwer to give say shit about DC movies. So it's just conspiracy talk. And I didn't say every fan liked ME3 or even that it was perfect. But that's another matter.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 2, 2017 16:50:18 GMT
ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was awful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang. To be honest not many fans agreed with the critics, accusing them to be paid off by EA. There was that controversy with having a games reviewer voicing a character. Even though there are some who said the game was fine until the ending, there were many others who disliked the railroading, weak villains and the constant auto dialogue from Shepard. Yeah I agree I think ME3 is just as guilty when it comes to what happened as much as MEA was so for me they both share the blame. Although personally I don't have a problem with either of them as I still play both games.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2017 17:01:45 GMT
I appreciate the gesture. Personally though I find any kind of forum policing... unnecessary? Going maybe a bit on a tangent here... Maybe that's just me but I don't even understand why threads get closed just because they've been going on so long there is nothing more to say. Like, why not let threads die? So people have resorted to shit flinging? Ok. So? Always takes two. So if these people engage in it, they want to. So just let them go on. *insert granny voice* When I was young... there was no such thing as thread closing, banning people left and right and reminding everyone to watch their language. I could necro threads from two years ago because I have something to say about the topic. Now it's "this thread has run its course. CLOSED" and it annoys me. Even if people get stuck in a loop flaming their opinions, it's a free world we live in, you know? Threads will die on their own when people get bored of discussing / insulting each other. I get your point. The internet is rude in general. Which is why this is the only forum I'm an active member in. I don't like these flame wars. We have some pretty rude people on BSN who do nothing but insult others. Not cool. But I prefer that to the moral police actually. I'm team free speech even if that means we all have to suffer through occasional insults. Just my two cents on message board etiquette. I 100% agree with this, just let threads run their course and die. I hate every time a thread pops up that criticize Andromeda the mods will eventually close it. It annoys me and is why I've stopped posting a great deal in this forum.
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Post by Serza on Dec 2, 2017 17:02:45 GMT
Let's not avoid it, the Mass Effect 3 endings. ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was awful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang. Shhhh. Remember. Emotion, yet Peace... Inhale. Count to four. Exhale. Calm yourself. ME3 endings didn't have anything to do with ME's death. It was a major clusterfuck and it's impossible to deny it somewhat tainted the trilogy, even after the extended cut. But it's also impossible to deny that ME3 was a comercial success and very well received by the critics. And indeed, it's an outstanding game, even in the close aftermath after its released this was acknowledge. Comments like the game is awesome except for the last 10 minutes were quite common. Morover, the Citadel DLC might not have removed the already mantioned taint the endings left, but it did closed the trilogy on a very high note. At that moment, Andromeda had everything it needed for success, it was only up to it. It was not ME3 fault that virtually every major decision surrounding that game was a bad one. The concept of going to Andromeda isn't a bad one, but the justification was aweful. And everything that followed it was terrible. ME3 has as much fault in this as the Big Bang. I love you. 'Tis noted...
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 2, 2017 17:04:26 GMT
To be honest not many fans agreed with the critics, accusing them to be paid off by EA. There was that controversy with having a games reviewer voicing a character. Even though there are some who said the game was fine until the ending, there were many others who disliked the railroading, weak villains and the constant auto dialogue from Shepard. Yeah I agree I think ME3 is just as guilty when it comes to what happened as much as MEA was so for me they both share the blame. I'd say that's just plain false. I wouldn't argue if someone says they believe ME3 marked a shift they disliked, or that they saw in ME3 the root of many of Andromeda problems. That's a very personal take. But we're talking about something that is very objective. ME3 was a major success for EA, and received extensive post launch support. Not only that, we knew another Mass Effect of game was a matter of time. People didn't think the future of the Mass Effect franchise was in peril after ME3.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 2, 2017 17:26:39 GMT
Yeah I agree I think ME3 is just as guilty when it comes to what happened as much as MEA was so for me they both share the blame. I'd say that's just plain false. I wouldn't argue if someone says they believe ME3 marked a shift they disliked, or that they saw in ME3 the root of many of Andromeda problems. That's a very personal take. But we're talking about something that is very objective. ME3 was a major success for EA, and received extensive post launch support. Not only that, we knew another Mass Effect of game was a matter of time. People didn't think the future of the Mass Effect franchise was in peril after ME3. People probably weren't expecting the series to continue after the ending debacle either but it did. They could have very easily just drpoped ME after 3 and just started a new IP to replace it.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 2, 2017 17:33:17 GMT
I'd say that's just plain false. I wouldn't argue if someone says they believe ME3 marked a shift they disliked, or that they saw in ME3 the root of many of Andromeda problems. That's a very personal take. But we're talking about something that is very objective. ME3 was a major success for EA, and received extensive post launch support. Not only that, we knew another Mass Effect of game was a matter of time. People didn't think the future of the Mass Effect franchise was in peril after ME3. People probably weren't expecting the series to continue after the ending debacle either but it did. They could have very easily just drpoped ME after 3 and just started a new IP to replace it. The future of Mass Effect was never into question after ME3. That's no big secret. I do agree that they could have finished after ME3, after all, the story was done. There is a difference between finishing a story and killing a franchise. But even back then, everyone expected a new ME game. And it was relatively soon after ME3 that the first unnoficial announcement that a sequel was in development came out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 17:44:49 GMT
Amazing. This thread is now halfway through p. 2 and has already taken the left turn from "Time to lay down arms" into the same 'ol same 'ol discussion of the ME3 ending and EA conspiracies.
It looks like the OP's topic has already run its full course. Good grief! I rub my eyes when this happens in every thread - especially when the ME-3 ending continues to be interjected into threads where it doesn't belong. The evolution of nearly all discussions.
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Post by warden on Dec 2, 2017 18:33:28 GMT
the funny thing is, eventually this will happen with the DA fanbase too. (in fact already started, very slowly tho, DA4 has the potential to keep the slow bleeding or just cause total hemorrhage)
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Post by smilesja on Dec 2, 2017 18:46:30 GMT
I remember people feeling very uncertain about Mass Effects future after ME3. I was surprised that Bioware was doing another game.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2017 18:46:40 GMT
Mass Effect: Andromeda proved to be a pretty divisive game That a nice euphemism for a major disaster that killed the franchise. Now, I don't think Andromeda is the worst game ever made, but it's not even close to be the miniminum it should have been. I don't want to make anyone feel bad for liking the game, but everyone should face the reality of the situation. Sometimes I want to try to go back and give Andromeda were more try... and I simply can't. Maybe one day. Andromeda killed the franchise and the community is going the same route. I'm just here watching people delete their accounts after having a meltdown over logic and stuff.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2017 18:54:35 GMT
To be honest not many fans agreed with the critics, accusing them to be paid off by EA. There was that controversy with having a games reviewer voicing a character. Even though there are some who said the game was fine until the ending, there were many others who disliked the railroading, weak villains and the constant auto dialogue from Shepard. Saying critics were paid by EA is like saying Disney pays reviwer to give say shit about DC movies. So it's just conspiracy talk. And I didn't say every fan liked ME3 or even that it was perfect. But that's another matter. Oh, you just reminded me of the "Disney pays off Rotten Tomatoes" whenever the DCEU takes another dump again. In reality, you have a critically acclaimed game (ME3), that sold very well, got three major DLCs and multiplayer expansions that kept the MP alive for many years, won GOTYs and even had a DLC running for best expansion, and then you have BioWare dropping support for MEA in less than a year with no additional content for SP which is a first in BioWare history, and no sequel in sight. It's probably their worst game at the moment, I mean - it's the worst reviewed, and also bombed. Andromeda was a trainwreck, and canned the entire series. I was at this very board defending MEA before release, and even after to some extent, but with time and critical thinking, things changed. What a shame.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 2, 2017 19:09:18 GMT
I remember people feeling very uncertain about Mass Effects future after ME3. I was surprised that Bioware was doing another game. So was I tbh. Especially after what happened over the endings. I'm grateful they stuck with the series and made MEA but they didn't have to.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 2, 2017 19:14:53 GMT
What is doubly ironic about biowares preferred social media outlet (reddit) is i remember a time where they were quite open on Facebook as well until one of the mass shootings of the day happened and Wayne La Pierre said what he said about games then everyone blamed games for it. It got so bad that bioware shut down much of their interactivity in their pages and moved on...
Apparently to reddit which apparently can be an echo chamber.
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Post by heathenoxman on Dec 2, 2017 19:17:28 GMT
ow it's "this thread has run its course. CLOSED" and it annoys me. Even if people get stuck in a loop flaming their opinions, it's a free world we live in, you know? I agree with this as well...sometimes i feel threads are being closed prematurely even when debates aren't that volatile. I'm a moderator on another fairly active forum (scary, I know). I've been doing the job long enough, and I know my community well enough to discern which threads are just a rapidly devolving troll fest, destined to collapse into a flaming pile of bullplop. Such threads tend to inject toxic energy into the forum as a whole, and generate more bad blood between rivals if left to stand. "Free speech" is great, but I've been on un-moderated forums before, and it's never long before the barbarians break down the gates and start building shanty towns. Over-moderated forums aren't fun either, but, speaking from personal experience, it can be extremely difficult to find a balance. In the meantime, as a mod, you're basically subjected to a barrage of rotten vegatables from a booing crowd.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 2, 2017 19:35:09 GMT
What is doubly ironic about biowares preferred social media outlet ( reddit Twitter) Fixed it for you. Still going strong, there. Twitter has the advantage (from Bioware's point of view) of being biased towards broadcasting, while forums are more conversational (sometimes endlessly, admittedly). A megaphone beats a circlejerk every time.
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