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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2018 9:37:43 GMT
The thing is if we follow BioWare rules by the book with Dragon Age, not only will not appear, we will get introduced with a new player character, not only that, BioWare crippled the past player character to make sure it is useless and hard to justify an appearance (don't give the prosthetic limb asspull thanks I won't buy any justification as per BioWare rules) a side from maybe some letters or an npc cameo or a mention here and there. I more or less agree that the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in DA4. The Inquisitor lost the power to close breaches, which was the primary purpose. Sure, Solas will be the enemy but someone else will have to pick up and challenge him. It doesn't mean the Inquisitor can't be there in some capacity but not as the lead character. Maybe sort of like how Hawke showed up in DAI. To be consistent across the DA games, the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in the next game.
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Post by warden on Apr 29, 2018 9:45:05 GMT
The thing is if we follow BioWare rules by the book with Dragon Age, not only will not appear, we will get introduced with a new player character, not only that, BioWare crippled the past player character to make sure it is useless and hard to justify an appearance (don't give the prosthetic limb asspull thanks I won't buy any justification as per BioWare rules) a side from maybe some letters or an npc cameo or a mention here and there. I more or less agree that the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in DA4. The Inquisitor lost the power to close breaches, which was the primary purpose. Sure, Solas will be the enemy but someone else will have to pick up and challenge him. It doesn't mean the Inquisitor can't be there in some capacity but not as the lead character. Maybe sort of like how Hawke showed up in DAI. To be consistent across the DA games, the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in the next game. It will depend if Solas makes an appearance or not in the next game, for the moment we are pretty much in the dark except for the setting that will be Tevinter. The rest it's just really our own speculation for the moment.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 29, 2018 11:15:03 GMT
I more or less agree that the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in DA4. I like to have the Inquisitor return, but that's more to do with hearing AWR's voice. If not, it wouldn't bother me. I do see the Inquisitor having a role, whatever it may be in the next da game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2018 17:42:37 GMT
The thing is if we follow BioWare rules by the book with Dragon Age, not only will not appear, we will get introduced with a new player character, not only that, BioWare crippled the past player character to make sure it is useless and hard to justify an appearance (don't give the prosthetic limb asspull thanks I won't buy any justification as per BioWare rules) a side from maybe some letters or an npc cameo or a mention here and there. I more or less agree that the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in DA4. The Inquisitor lost the power to close breaches, which was the primary purpose. Sure, Solas will be the enemy but someone else will have to pick up and challenge him. It doesn't mean the Inquisitor can't be there in some capacity but not as the lead character. Maybe sort of like how Hawke showed up in DAI. To be consistent across the DA games, the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in the next game. Why would not being able to seal rifts matter when Solas doesn’t even plan on creating them? I absolutely do not want the Inquisitor to return like how Hawke did. They completely ruined my Hawke, as well as Revan in SWTOR, and I do not want to see the Inquisitor suffer the same fate. I’d rather they not show up at all than getting the NPC treatment and this ruining my favorite protagonist so far.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2018 17:44:05 GMT
I more or less agree that the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in DA4. The Inquisitor lost the power to close breaches, which was the primary purpose. Sure, Solas will be the enemy but someone else will have to pick up and challenge him. It doesn't mean the Inquisitor can't be there in some capacity but not as the lead character. Maybe sort of like how Hawke showed up in DAI. To be consistent across the DA games, the Inquisitor should not be the protagonist in the next game. It will depend if Solas makes an appearance or not in the next game, for the moment we are pretty much in the dark except for the setting that will be Tevinter. The rest it's just really our own speculation for the moment. Patrick Weekes said on Twitter that if there is another Dragon Age game that it will conclude Solas’ story.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2018 18:09:52 GMT
Why would not being able to seal rifts matter when Solas doesn’t even plan on creating them? Wasn't his arm chopped off, meaning he can't close rifts anymore?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2018 18:17:19 GMT
Why would not being able to seal rifts matter when Solas doesn’t even plan on creating them? Wasn't his arm chopped off, meaning he can't close rifts anymore? Yes, but as I said Solas doesn’t plan on creating Rifts for his plan so the Inquisitor not being able to seal them doesn’t matter.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2018 19:32:17 GMT
Wasn't his arm chopped off, meaning he can't close rifts anymore? Yes, but as I said Solas doesn’t plan on creating Rifts for his plan so the Inquisitor not being able to seal them doesn’t matter. Yes, but wasn't that the impetus for the Inquisitor leading the Inquisition? In fact, the Inquisition might not even exist (depending on your choice at the end) so to me it would be better to avoid the subject and move on to another protagonist that wasn't part of the Inquisition. Honestly, I don't see a reason to change the format of DA (new protag in each game) other than an attachment - which people had both to the Warden and Hawke. (I know I was annoyed that my Warden was gone and replaced by Hawke, but I moved on and enjoyed the new leads.)
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Post by warden on Apr 29, 2018 19:42:07 GMT
It will depend if Solas makes an appearance or not in the next game, for the moment we are pretty much in the dark except for the setting that will be Tevinter. The rest it's just really our own speculation for the moment. Patrick Weekes said on Twitter that if there is another Dragon Age game that it will conclude Solas’ story. Yeah, and i'm the queen of Antiva. Anyway cool for me, one boring character out of the way, the quicker the better.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2018 20:39:47 GMT
Yes, but as I said Solas doesn’t plan on creating Rifts for his plan so the Inquisitor not being able to seal them doesn’t matter. Yes, but wasn't that the impetus for the Inquisitor leading the Inquisition? In fact, the Inquisition might not even exist (depending on your choice at the end) so to me it would be better to avoid the subject and move on to another protagonist that wasn't part of the Inquisition. Honestly, I don't see a reason to change the format of DA (new protag in each game) other than an attachment - which people had both to the Warden and Hawke. (I know I was annoyed that my Warden was gone and replaced by Hawke, but I moved on and enjoyed the new leads.) No, the mark on your hand made you an important asset to the Inquisition but it is not why you are made the Inquisitor. You are made the Inquisitor due to your own actions, from getting the mages or Templars to join you as well as the leadership you show at Haven as it is attacked. By the time you become the Inquisitor, the Breach doesn't even exist so the whole time you are the Inquisitor you are going after those responsible. Also the Inquisition, or at least a new secret Inquisition, always exists after the events of the game with the Inquisitor leading it. We see this both in the final cutscene as well as the Knight Errant comic series that takes place after Trespasser. The choice whether to disband or become part of the Chantry is basically for show, which it even hints at since the decision describes both how much influence you will have and how vulnerable you are to infiltration. No point for the game to say that if you are actually gone for good. I don't want the Inquisitor to return as the protagonist because I'm attached to them. I want them to return because Trespasser started a new story that involved making the Inquisitor Solas' foil. If DAI ended with the base game where the Inquisitor is looking at the sunrise and then we get the scene with Solas and Flemeth, I would be fine with a new protagonist since that ending is an ending for the Inquisitor's story. However with Trespasser that no longer became the ending of their story but instead the beginning of a new chapter.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 29, 2018 22:00:24 GMT
I don't want the Inquisitor to return as the protagonist because I'm attached to them. I want them to return because Trespasser started a new story that involved making the Inquisitor Solas' foil. If DAI ended with the base game where the Inquisitor is looking at the sunrise and then we get the scene with Solas and Flemeth, I would be fine with a new protagonist since that ending is an ending for the Inquisitor's story. However with Trespasser that no longer became the ending of their story but instead the beginning of a new chapter. It just seems like an excuse. You want to change the way DA works because you like her/him. This is the same argument about Shepard needing to be the protag in all ME games because people don't want to let go of the past and accept that the trilogy is over. In the end, you come up with reasons for it, just as they do. I agree that Trespasser was the beginning of a secondary story but, again, the theme of a new protag is in line with DA. Why change the formula? I can imagine that, at minimum, the lack of an arm leaves the Inquisitor a lot less effective in combat. Sure, maybe a mage would work but I never play one.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2018 23:18:37 GMT
I don't want the Inquisitor to return as the protagonist because I'm attached to them. I want them to return because Trespasser started a new story that involved making the Inquisitor Solas' foil. If DAI ended with the base game where the Inquisitor is looking at the sunrise and then we get the scene with Solas and Flemeth, I would be fine with a new protagonist since that ending is an ending for the Inquisitor's story. However with Trespasser that no longer became the ending of their story but instead the beginning of a new chapter. It just seems like an excuse. You want to change the way DA works because you like her/him. This is the same argument about Shepard needing to be the protag in all ME games because people don't want to let go of the past and accept that the trilogy is over. In the end, you come up with reasons for it, just as they do. I agree that Trespasser was the beginning of a secondary story but, again, the theme of a new protag is in line with DA. Why change the formula? I can imagine that, at minimum, the lack of an arm leaves the Inquisitor a lot less effective in combat. Sure, maybe a mage would work but I never play one. No, I want to change the way DA works because I don't think that story quality should be sacrificed for some unofficial arbitrary rule. You mention Shepard so I will bring up the example I used earlier. If Shepard after defeating Saren or the Collectors and getting involved in the Reaper plot was to just not fight or advise someone new in the actual Reaper War, the story would not be as good as Shepard facing them in the war. However likewise now that the Reapers have been defeated, Shepard's story is concluded because they defeated their enemy thus the protagonist defeated the antagonist. Trespasser made Solas and the Inquisitor antagonists of each other and that plot hasn't been concluded yet. Concluding it with someone new hurts the story on multiple angles. Besides, even Bioware said they would change the formula if they think they needed to for the story. As for the missing arm, what a great way to explain why the Inquisitor is at Level 1 again: they need to relearn everything they knew with a new arm.
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Post by warden on Apr 30, 2018 4:53:04 GMT
It just seems like an excuse. You want to change the way DA works because you like her/him. This is the same argument about Shepard needing to be the protag in all ME games because people don't want to let go of the past and accept that the trilogy is over. In the end, you come up with reasons for it, just as they do. I agree that Trespasser was the beginning of a secondary story but, again, the theme of a new protag is in line with DA. Why change the formula? I can imagine that, at minimum, the lack of an arm leaves the Inquisitor a lot less effective in combat. Sure, maybe a mage would work but I never play one. No, I want to change the way DA works because I don't think that story quality should be sacrificed for some unofficial arbitrary rule. You mention Shepard so I will bring up the example I used earlier. If Shepard after defeating Saren or the Collectors and getting involved in the Reaper plot was to just not fight or advise someone new in the actual Reaper War, the story would not be as good as Shepard facing them in the war. However likewise now that the Reapers have been defeated, Shepard's story is concluded because they defeated their enemy thus the protagonist defeated the antagonist. Trespasser made Solas and the Inquisitor antagonists of each other and that plot hasn't been concluded yet. Concluding it with someone new hurts the story on multiple angles. Besides, even Bioware said they would change the formula if they think they needed to for the story. As for the missing arm, what a great way to explain why the Inquisitor is at Level 1 again: they need to relearn everything they knew with a new arm. I just see excuses, excuses and excuses, but I agree in this though I never liked that one protagonist one game rule, the worst thing ever. It won't happen but, i'm left handed, they could use the other hand for a change and have a lefty protagonist like some very few games have. Would be an amazing touch.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 30, 2018 4:59:27 GMT
No, I want to change the way DA works because I don't think that story quality should be sacrificed for some unofficial arbitrary rule. You mention Shepard so I will bring up the example I used earlier. If Shepard after defeating Saren or the Collectors and getting involved in the Reaper plot was to just not fight or advise someone new in the actual Reaper War, the story would not be as good as Shepard facing them in the war. However likewise now that the Reapers have been defeated, Shepard's story is concluded because they defeated their enemy thus the protagonist defeated the antagonist. Trespasser made Solas and the Inquisitor antagonists of each other and that plot hasn't been concluded yet. Concluding it with someone new hurts the story on multiple angles. Besides, even Bioware said they would change the formula if they think they needed to for the story. As for the missing arm, what a great way to explain why the Inquisitor is at Level 1 again: they need to relearn everything they knew with a new arm. I just see excuses, excuses and excuses, but I agree in this though I never liked that one protagonist one game rule, the worst thing ever. It won't happen but, i'm left handed, they could use the other hand for a change and have a lefty protagonist like some very few games have. Would be an amazing touch. I like how they allowed that with Ryder, where you can toggle between being right-handed or left-handed.
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Post by General Mahad on May 2, 2018 19:04:01 GMT
There are also people who like the infamous Ride to Hell: Retribution despite the mountain of evidence showing it to be the worst thing since Syphilis. Andromeda is like BioWare’s Ride to Hell: Retribution only more infamous. Seems a bit of goofy hyperbole to bother mentioning Ride to Hell in this discussion. No matter what anyone here or anywhere thinks of Andromeda, it's nowhere the same level as that shit. Yeah you're right, at least Andromeda had the characters naked during the awful banging cutscenes.
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Post by natetrace on May 2, 2018 21:34:26 GMT
Seems a bit of goofy hyperbole to bother mentioning Ride to Hell in this discussion. No matter what anyone here or anywhere thinks of Andromeda, it's nowhere the same level as that shit. Yeah you're right, at least Andromeda had the characters naked during the awful banging cutscenes. I liked the scenes, but I think in games it's best to have a few nearly nude shots and implied sex rather than full on cg banging. That goes for any game. More tasteful shots. Sex in real life is usually goofy anyway if you think too hard about it...
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Post by griffith82 on May 2, 2018 23:09:50 GMT
Yeah you're right, at least Andromeda had the characters naked during the awful banging cutscenes. I liked the scenes, but I think in games it's best to have a few nearly nude shots and implied sex rather than full on cg banging. That goes for any game. More tasteful shots. Sex in real life is usually goofy anyway if you think too hard about it... I don’t mind them if done well and it fits the story. It worked way better here imo than some of the OT scenes. I didn’t mind even the scenes in The Witcher series as they fit the tone. The first games were weird but the others were better.
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